Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Larry Shaffer]

Hi,

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:10 AM, kimaidou  wrote:

> +1 with Paolo
> I prefer the new default qgis icon set, but I do not understand why we
> need to remove the other icon sets, as long as the "qgis" theme is the new
> default one.
>

A big -1 for the project maintaining 2 themes. If the old default is not
maintained with distinctly different icons (it hasn't been for a while)
then it only presents more hodge-podge-looking design for the project to
end users.

If something ships with the final release package, it should be maintained.
IMO, the old default theme is not maintained (and looks like it), therefore
it should not ship, and no more energy should be wasted on maintaining it.

This is similar to the decision to focus on only master branch and release
the app from it, instead of maintaining multiple version branches with
backports. It really comes down to streamlining the whole release process
and providing a quality app, all with limited development resources,
instead of trying to be everything to all users. Using that paradigm,
maintaining a second, defunct theme just doesn't seem reasonable.

I do think the multi-theme code should be left, so third-party devs or
users can use their own themes, but this does mean those users need to
recompile the app. (Current theme support does not allow run-time switching
of the theme, even after a restart.)


A big +1 for only focusing on fixing the current issues with the new
default theme, AND extending the GUI/string freeze until it is ready for
2.0 release (though the hard feature/API freeze should happen really soon).

Towards that move-forward-only goal, and given the obvious time
constraints, I propose the following:

1) List all icons on a single wiki page - Something similar was started
back in 2011 [0]. Just updating that page should work. This means all icons
in main image.qrc and for core plugins that have their own .qrc files.

2) Comment on specific icons or groups of icons - Everyone puts their
comments on that wiki page, hopefully in a constructive and timely manner
(within the next 3-5 days?).

3) Fix a subset of icons for 2.0 - Once problem icons are identified, fix
the most problematic ones for 2.0 release. This does mean that some more
icons will later change on 2.1 release (to update all of the theme), but no
icon should change at both releases, especially the core, main interface
icons.

Using this method, Robert, and anyone helping him, can focus directly on
what needs fixed, and prioritize those fixes for a 2.0 release.


[0] http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/17/Icons_20

Regards,

Larry




> 2013/5/24 Paolo Cavallini 
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>>
>> > I'm along the lines of Werner, Anita, Marco... The new "gis" icon set
>> > looks much more professional than the old icon set and the look of the
>> > icon set actually gives the software a whole different look.
>>
>> > So please let's focus on making the "gis" icon theme better. The old
>> > version gets a big -1 from me.
>>
>> Sorry I was unclear. I agree that the new theme must be the default, and
>> our efforts
>> must focus on this one. What I think our users will not like it being
>> *forced* to
>> change. Leaving the old theme does not cost us anything, and would be a
>> favour to the
>> many who, understandably or not, do not like the change.
>> All the best.
>>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[kimaidou]

+1 with Paolo
I prefer the new default qgis icon set, but I do not understand why we need
to remove the other icon sets, as long as the "qgis" theme is the new
default one.


2013/5/24 Paolo Cavallini 

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>
> > I'm along the lines of Werner, Anita, Marco... The new "gis" icon set
> > looks much more professional than the old icon set and the look of the
> > icon set actually gives the software a whole different look.
>
> > So please let's focus on making the "gis" icon theme better. The old
> > version gets a big -1 from me.
>
> Sorry I was unclear. I agree that the new theme must be the default, and
> our efforts
> must focus on this one. What I think our users will not like it being
> *forced* to
> change. Leaving the old theme does not cost us anything, and would be a
> favour to the
> many who, understandably or not, do not like the change.
> All the best.
>
> - --
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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Paolo Cavallini]

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Il 24/05/2013 17:42, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto:

> I'm along the lines of Werner, Anita, Marco... The new "gis" icon set 
> looks much more professional than the old icon set and the look of the 
> icon set actually gives the software a whole different look.

> So please let's focus on making the "gis" icon theme better. The old 
> version gets a big -1 from me.

Sorry I was unclear. I agree that the new theme must be the default, and our 
efforts
must focus on this one. What I think our users will not like it being *forced* 
to
change. Leaving the old theme does not cost us anything, and would be a favour 
to the
many who, understandably or not, do not like the change.
All the best.

- -- 
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www.faunalia.eu
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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Matthias Kuhn]

Hi,

I'm along the lines of Werner, Anita, Marco... The new "gis" icon set 
looks much more professional than the old icon set and the look of the 
icon set actually gives the software a whole different look.

 From what I've read here, the main concern lies on the add layer icons 
which look too similar. If I remember correctly there was a plan to 
collapse them all into a single add layer button. I don't know what 
happened to this plan, but that would help to overcome this problem and 
enhance the gui as it will get cleaner. Is there anybody working on 
this feature still?

Please allow me to ask, which other icons (apart from the add layer 
icons) look too similar or have other problems.

For me the icon set is something similar to the logo. The current (1.8) 
designs look hobby-ish and need a redesign. But as you mentioned, a 
change should happen once only and not in every minor release.

So please let's focus on making the "gis" icon theme better. The old 
version gets a big -1 from me.

Matthias

On Fre 24 Mai 2013 17:28:49 CEST, Jonathan Moules wrote:
> Hi Marco,
> I'm afraid I respectfully disagree. A "short adaptation period" won't
> make the icons more obvious.
>
> I'm not a big QGIS user. If I want to use /any/ function in QGIS, I
> have to stare at the icons and use the tooltips to figure out what
> button does what, so I'm not "adapted" to the 1.8 set, let alone the
> 2.x ones.
>
> That said, when I look at the 2.0 set what I see is many icons that
> are almost identical. Any icon that is only ~3% different from its
> neighbour (i.e. the database ones) is never going to be any good for
> its purpose. I'd imagine people with a visual impairment may struggle
> even more.
>
> Also remember, not all users navigate by knowing where the buttons are
> (in fact, most don't). For those users you *have* to have a good set
> of icons that are easily differentiated at a glance.
>
> I think colour would be a start, but the designs themselves are still
> too similar.
>
> I think resolving this in time for the 2.x release makes sense.
> Otherwise those who do learn these icons will have to re-learn them
> for 2.1. It doesn't make sense to change something as fundamental as
> the iconography twice in as many releases.
>
> Just my 2p.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Jonathan
>
>
> On 24 May 2013 13:23, Marco Bernasocchi  > wrote:
>
> Agree as well with Werner and Anita.
> It is just matter of a short adaptation period.
>
> Ciao
>
>
> On 05/24/2013 01:34 PM, Anita Graser wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> -1. I agree with Werner. Having used the "gis" icon set for
> many months,
> I have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human
> mind works.
> Let's improve the "gis" icons where it makes sense but let us
> focus or
> work on one set.
>
> Best wishes,
> Anita
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Werner Macho
> mailto:werner.ma...@gmail.com>
>  __>> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> -1 for keeping the old Icons..
>
> I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid
> of them
> afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different
> sets of
> icons ..
> And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it
> does indeed
> make sense to use it probably in every open source GIS ..
>
> I know that the first time might be hard but that"s just
> the usual
> human behaviour of refusing new things.
> But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a
> very long
> time (to use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find
> everything
> at once but rather have some kind of problems when I
> switch to the
> old ones..
>
> So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset
> within a few
> days .. It"s just human that every "more work" you have to
> do gets
> refused at first regardless of the advatnages it might
> bring later
>
> So maybe for a period of migration I"d leave the old icons
> inside
> but definitely not for 2.1 or later ..
>
> OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion
>
> kind regards
> Werner
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira
> mailto:dcarre...@edia.pt>
> >> wrote:
>
> I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the
> old and
> trusted icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite
> uplifting. The new set may be technically better but
> is not as
>  

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Jonathan Moules]

Hi Marco,
I'm afraid I respectfully disagree. A "short adaptation period" won't make
the icons more obvious.

I'm not a big QGIS user. If I want to use /any/ function in QGIS, I have to
stare at the icons and use the tooltips to figure out what button does
what, so I'm not "adapted" to the 1.8 set, let alone the 2.x ones.

That said, when I look at the 2.0 set what I see is many icons that are
almost identical. Any icon that is only ~3% different from its neighbour
(i.e. the database ones) is never going to be any good for its purpose. I'd
imagine people with a visual impairment may struggle even more.

Also remember, not all users navigate by knowing where the buttons are (in
fact, most don't). For those users you *have* to have a good set of icons
that are easily differentiated at a glance.

I think colour would be a start, but the designs themselves are still too
similar.

I think resolving this in time for the 2.x release makes sense. Otherwise
those who do learn these icons will have to re-learn them for 2.1. It
doesn't make sense to change something as fundamental as the iconography
twice in as many releases.

Just my 2p.

Kind Regards,
Jonathan


On 24 May 2013 13:23, Marco Bernasocchi  wrote:

> Agree as well with Werner and Anita.
> It is just matter of a short adaptation period.
>
> Ciao
>
>
> On 05/24/2013 01:34 PM, Anita Graser wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> -1. I agree with Werner. Having used the "gis" icon set for many months,
>> I have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human mind works.
>> Let's improve the "gis" icons where it makes sense but let us focus or
>> work on one set.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Anita
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Werner Macho > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> -1 for keeping the old Icons..
>>
>> I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid of them
>> afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different sets of
>> icons ..
>> And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it does indeed
>> make sense to use it probably in every open source GIS ..
>>
>> I know that the first time might be hard but that"s just the usual
>> human behaviour of refusing new things.
>> But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a very long
>> time (to use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find everything
>> at once but rather have some kind of problems when I switch to the
>> old ones..
>>
>> So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset within a few
>> days .. It"s just human that every "more work" you have to do gets
>> refused at first regardless of the advatnages it might bring later
>>
>> So maybe for a period of migration I"d leave the old icons inside
>> but definitely not for 2.1 or later ..
>>
>> OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion
>>
>> kind regards
>> Werner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira > > wrote:
>>
>> I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the old and
>> trusted icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite
>> uplifting. The new set may be technically better but is not as
>> friendly to users.
>>
>> Please keep both.
>>
>> Duarte
>>
>> *De:*Jonathan Moules 
>> [mailto:jonathanmoules@**warwickshire.gov.uk
>> 
>> > >]
>> *Enviada:* sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59
>> *Para:* skampus
>> *Cc:* qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org
>> ;
>> qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
>> 
>> > >
>> *Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons -
>>
>> difficult to "read"
>>
>> +1
>>
>> i.e. The difference between the "Add PostGIS layers" and "Add
>> SpatiaLite layers" is that one has a regular cylinder and the
>> other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels
>> are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look
>> at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still
>> MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which
>> using this system will only confuse things more.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but
>> they're really hard to visually differentiate.
>>
>> I did a quick google and came across this:
>>
>> http://turbomilk.com/blog/**cookbook/icon_design/10_**
>> mistakes_in_icon_design/
>>
>> The QGIS icons do all of the top three things.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> that 

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Marco Bernasocchi]

Agree as well with Werner and Anita.
It is just matter of a short adaptation period.

Ciao

On 05/24/2013 01:34 PM, Anita Graser wrote:

Hi,

-1. I agree with Werner. Having used the "gis" icon set for many months,
I have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human mind works.
Let's improve the "gis" icons where it makes sense but let us focus or
work on one set.

Best wishes,
Anita



On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Werner Macho mailto:werner.ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi!

-1 for keeping the old Icons..

I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid of them
afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different sets of
icons ..
And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it does indeed
make sense to use it probably in every open source GIS ..

I know that the first time might be hard but that"s just the usual
human behaviour of refusing new things.
But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a very long
time (to use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find everything
at once but rather have some kind of problems when I switch to the
old ones..

So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset within a few
days .. It"s just human that every "more work" you have to do gets
refused at first regardless of the advatnages it might bring later

So maybe for a period of migration I"d leave the old icons inside
but definitely not for 2.1 or later ..

OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion

kind regards
Werner




On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira mailto:dcarre...@edia.pt>> wrote:

I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the old and
trusted icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite
uplifting. The new set may be technically better but is not as
friendly to users.

Please keep both.

Duarte

*De:*Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk
]
*Enviada:* sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59
*Para:* skampus
*Cc:* qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org
;
qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org

*Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons -
difficult to "read"

+1

i.e. The difference between the "Add PostGIS layers" and "Add
SpatiaLite layers" is that one has a regular cylinder and the
other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels
are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look
at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still
MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which
using this system will only confuse things more.

Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but
they're really hard to visually differentiate.

I did a quick google and came across this:


http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/

The QGIS icons do all of the top three things.

Jonathan

On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus
mailto:stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it>> wrote:

that could be a useful option.
sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are
unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only
because now i
remberer relative position




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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Robert Szczepanek]

Hi Jonathan,

You are right. Problem with new icons is that we have started with some 
idea (add raster, vector, PostgreSQL layer) and end up with several 
icons of the same type. First three icons are different, however have 
too many elements. Next are worse, and Oracle and others wait for more 
general problem solution.


What are the options from my point of view (just layer toolbar)?

1. We could remove green plus leaving the others (yellow star and red 
minus). This will give some more space to increase symbol size.


2. Remove 'layer' symbol, but in this case 'create vector layer' will be 
identical to 'create vector' in edit toolbar. But considering toolbar 
context is could be OK.

Definitely we should remove 'layer' from WMS, WFS and similar.

3. Due to variety of database formats replace them with clones of 
database logo.


All changes are possible, but after general agreement. We can do it now 
or after QGIS 2.0 release.


regards,
Robert

On 24.05.2013 10:59, Jonathan Moules wrote:

+1

i.e. The difference between the "Add PostGIS layers" and "Add SpatiaLite
layers" is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a
fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an
icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the
differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in
the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more.


Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're
really hard to visually differentiate.


I did a quick google and came across this:
http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/

The QGIS icons do all of the top three things.

Jonathan





On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus mailto:stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it>> wrote:

that could be a useful option.
sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are
unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because
now i
remberer relative position




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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Alexander Bruy]

Hi,

I fully agree with Werner and Anita. "gis" theme is consistent, clear
and looks much better
then old icons. Maybe all we need is only some small improvements in
color scheme as
suggested by Robert.

So, -1 for keeping old icons.

2013/5/24, Anita Graser :
> Hi,
>
> -1. I agree with Werner. Having used the "gis" icon set for many months, I
> have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human mind works.
> Let's improve the "gis" icons where it makes sense but let us focus or work
> on one set.
>
> Best wishes,
> Anita

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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Anita Graser]

Hi,

-1. I agree with Werner. Having used the "gis" icon set for many months, I
have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human mind works.
Let's improve the "gis" icons where it makes sense but let us focus or work
on one set.

Best wishes,
Anita



On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Werner Macho wrote:

> Hi!
>
> -1 for keeping the old Icons..
>
> I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid of them
> afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different sets of icons ..
> And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it does indeed make
> sense to use it probably in every open source GIS ..
>
> I know that the first time might be hard but that"s just the usual human
> behaviour of refusing new things.
> But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a very long time (to
> use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find everything at once but
> rather have some kind of problems when I switch to the old ones..
>
> So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset within a few days
> .. It"s just human that every "more work" you have to do gets refused at
> first regardless of the advatnages it might bring later
>
> So maybe for a period of migration I"d leave the old icons inside but
> definitely not for 2.1 or later ..
>
> OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion
>
> kind regards
> Werner
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira wrote:
>
>>  I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the old and trusted
>> icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite uplifting. The new set may
>> be technically better but is not as friendly to users.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please keep both.
>>
>>
>>
>> Duarte
>>
>>
>>
>> *De:* Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk]
>> *Enviada:* sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59
>> *Para:* skampus
>> *Cc:* qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
>> *Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to
>> "read"
>>
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>> i.e. The difference between the "Add PostGIS layers" and "Add SpatiaLite
>> layers" is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted
>> hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's
>> got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences.
>> And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema
>> which using this system will only confuse things more.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really
>> hard to visually differentiate.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I did a quick google and came across this:
>>
>> http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/
>>
>>
>>
>> The QGIS icons do all of the top three things.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus  wrote:
>>
>> that could be a useful option.
>> sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are
>> unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i
>> remberer relative position
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Werner Macho]

Hi!

-1 for keeping the old Icons..

I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid of them
afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different sets of icons ..
And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it does indeed make
sense to use it probably in every open source GIS ..

I know that the first time might be hard but that"s just the usual human
behaviour of refusing new things.
But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a very long time (to
use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find everything at once but
rather have some kind of problems when I switch to the old ones..

So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset within a few days ..
It"s just human that every "more work" you have to do gets refused at first
regardless of the advatnages it might bring later

So maybe for a period of migration I"d leave the old icons inside but
definitely not for 2.1 or later ..

OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion

kind regards
Werner




On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira  wrote:

>  I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the old and trusted
> icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite uplifting. The new set may
> be technically better but is not as friendly to users.
>
> ** **
>
> Please keep both.
>
> ** **
>
> Duarte
>
> ** **
>
> *De:* Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk]
> *Enviada:* sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59
> *Para:* skampus
> *Cc:* qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
> *Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to
> "read"
>
> ** **
>
> +1
>
> ** **
>
> i.e. The difference between the "Add PostGIS layers" and "Add SpatiaLite
> layers" is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted
> hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's
> got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences.
> And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema
> which using this system will only confuse things more.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really
> hard to visually differentiate.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> I did a quick google and came across this:
>
> http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> The QGIS icons do all of the top three things.
>
> ** **
>
> Jonathan
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus  wrote:*
> ***
>
> that could be a useful option.
> sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are
> unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i
> remberer relative position
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Duarte Carreira]

I would like to ask the "powers that be" to keep the old and trusted icons. 
They never failed me and the gui is quite uplifting. The new set may be 
technically better but is not as friendly to users.

Please keep both.

Duarte

De: Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk]
Enviada: sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59
Para: skampus
Cc: qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
Assunto: Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to "read"

+1

i.e. The difference between the "Add PostGIS layers" and "Add SpatiaLite 
layers" is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted 
hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 
1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And 
there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which 
using this system will only confuse things more.


Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard 
to visually differentiate.


I did a quick google and came across this:
http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/

The QGIS icons do all of the top three things.

Jonathan




On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus 
mailto:stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it>> 
wrote:
that could be a useful option.
sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are
unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i
remberer relative position




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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Jonathan Moules]

+1

i.e. The difference between the "Add PostGIS layers" and "Add SpatiaLite
layers" is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted
hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's
got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences.
And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema
which using this system will only confuse things more.


Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really
hard to visually differentiate.


I did a quick google and came across this:
http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/

The QGIS icons do all of the top three things.

Jonathan





On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus  wrote:

> that could be a useful option.
> sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are
> unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i
> remberer relative position
>
>
>
>
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[skampus]

that could be a useful option.
sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are
unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i
remberer relative position




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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Micha Silver]

  
  
On 24/05/2013 09:28, Paolo Cavallini
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Hi

I do have exactly the same problem. E.g. I almost cannot see any difference between the WMS/WCS/WFS icons except on a very tiny part of the icons whereas the old icons were easy to distinguish. But this is perhaps I'm getting old... and I got used to  the old icons. I guess I will not "learn" the icons but just the position I can find them.

As far as I remember there was a poll once with the result to use the new icons as default.

  
  
I also found that long time users find quite irritating being forced to switch. IMHO,
better keep both.


+1
-- Micha

  
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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

[Robert Szczepanek]

Hi,

It's good time now to add colours to similar sets (like open * layer).
Waiting for proposals... with short description of your associations.
Robert


On 24.05.2013 08:28, Paolo Cavallini wrote:

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Il 24/05/2013 07:36, Ziegler Stefan ha scritto:

Hi

I do have exactly the same problem. E.g. I almost cannot see any difference between the 
WMS/WCS/WFS icons except on a very tiny part of the icons whereas the old icons were easy 
to distinguish. But this is perhaps I'm getting old... and I got used to  the old icons. 
I guess I will not "learn" the icons but just the position I can find them.

As far as I remember there was a poll once with the result to use the new icons 
as default.


I also found that long time users find quite irritating being forced to switch. 
IMHO,
better keep both.
All the best.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"

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Il 24/05/2013 07:36, Ziegler Stefan ha scritto:
> Hi
> 
> I do have exactly the same problem. E.g. I almost cannot see any difference 
> between the WMS/WCS/WFS icons except on a very tiny part of the icons whereas 
> the old icons were easy to distinguish. But this is perhaps I'm getting 
> old... and I got used to  the old icons. I guess I will not "learn" the icons 
> but just the position I can find them.
> 
> As far as I remember there was a poll once with the result to use the new 
> icons as default.

I also found that long time users find quite irritating being forced to switch. 
IMHO,
better keep both.
All the best.
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