Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders - and developers?
Hi, I've been following this thread with great interest. Whilst recognising the immense importance of financial funding, surely there are quite a few developers out there that have added to Open Source by giving their own time without receiving any remuneration whatsoever. I accept that it will be very difficult to measure one developer's efforts against another, but surely they should get as much recognition as the guys throwing money at this project? Perhaps a bar-counter showing the number of source-code lines contributed in the last rolling 12 month period - maybe for the top 10 contributors only? Just a thought. Regards to all, Zoltan -- === Zoltan Szecsei PrGISc [PGP0031] Geograph (Pty) Ltd. GIS and Photogrammetric Services P.O. Box 7, Muizenberg 7950, South Africa. Mobile: +27-83-6004028 Fax:+27-86-6115323 www.geograph.co.za === ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders - and developers?
Hi Zoltan, I believe the developers, contributors and translators get their recognition already. Their names are listed in the about box of our software. In addition you can read their names on github. I would not list number of source code lines or number of commits, because this is meaningless. Already a few lines of codes may mean a huge improvement, while a ton of other lines may not be that important. E.g. if someone checks in a lot of SVGs this definitely not as much work like a sophisticated algorithm dealing with geoprocessing. I don't think that developers really care about who contribute how many lines of codes - and if you are interested in that you can already look it up on github. They provide all sorts of fancy graphics. -- The whole discussion is not one against the other - and who gets the most recognition. It is simply about a multiplier effect. Say that a well-known organization like a province, a national mapping agency or well-known company is sponsoring a feature. This will surely help other organizations to fund other features. Right now some people/organizations may have the impression that QGIS is more or less all based on voluntary work, while we are currently moving more and more to paid work - which is good in my opinion. There is only that much you can do with voluntary work. QGIS already has surpassed a threshold in popularity and organizations rely on it that we can't support this all with voluntary work only. A lot of OS projects work this way: PostgreSQL, Linux, Apache, LibreOffice - the bulk of these projects are run by paid staff. But there is still the opportunity of voluntary work to be added. And who knows - you may start as a voluntary contributor and by your voluntary contributions you may have the opportunity to get paid contracts. Andreas Am 04.07.2014 07:07, schrieb Zoltan Szecsei: Hi, I've been following this thread with great interest. Whilst recognising the immense importance of financial funding, surely there are quite a few developers out there that have added to Open Source by giving their own time without receiving any remuneration whatsoever. I accept that it will be very difficult to measure one developer's efforts against another, but surely they should get as much recognition as the guys throwing money at this project? Perhaps a bar-counter showing the number of source-code lines contributed in the last rolling 12 month period - maybe for the top 10 contributors only? Just a thought. Regards to all, Zoltan ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders - and developers?
Hi Zoltan, On Fri, 04. Jul 2014 at 09:07:12 +0200, Zoltan Szecsei wrote: Whilst recognising the immense importance of financial funding, surely there are quite a few developers out there that have added to Open Source by giving their own time without receiving any remuneration whatsoever. That and/or are doing it on their employers time without being contracted by a customer. Perhaps a bar-counter showing the number of source-code lines contributed in the last rolling 12 month period - maybe for the top 10 contributors only? That's not as easy as it sounds. There are bulk changes (eg. indentation) that would probably attribute lines to people who didn't do the code - otoh those maintainance task should also get recognition, although LOC does make even less sense there (same for refactoring to remove clutter and thereby reduce LOC). Jürgen -- Jürgen E. Fischer norBIT GmbH Tel. +49-4931-918175-31 Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Rheinstraße 13 Fax. +49-4931-918175-50 Software Engineer D-26506 Norden http://www.norbit.de QGIS release manager (PSC) GermanyIRC: jef on FreeNode -- norBIT Gesellschaft fuer Unternehmensberatung und Informationssysteme mbH Rheinstrasse 13, 26506 Norden GF: Jelto Buurman, HR: Amtsgericht Emden, HRB 5502 ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders - and developers?
Fair comments from both Andreas and Jurgen (below). I was merely trying to see if we should also be looking after the efforts of the quiet self funded developer in the back room. Regards, Zoltan On 2014/07/04 09:48, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote: Hi Zoltan, On Fri, 04. Jul 2014 at 09:07:12 +0200, Zoltan Szecsei wrote: Whilst recognising the immense importance of financial funding, surely there are quite a few developers out there that have added to Open Source by giving their own time without receiving any remuneration whatsoever. That and/or are doing it on their employers time without being contracted by a customer. Perhaps a bar-counter showing the number of source-code lines contributed in the last rolling 12 month period - maybe for the top 10 contributors only? That's not as easy as it sounds. There are bulk changes (eg. indentation) that would probably attribute lines to people who didn't do the code - otoh those maintainance task should also get recognition, although LOC does make even less sense there (same for refactoring to remove clutter and thereby reduce LOC). Jürgen -- === Zoltan Szecsei PrGISc [PGP0031] Geograph (Pty) Ltd. GIS and Photogrammetric Services P.O. Box 7, Muizenberg 7950, South Africa. Mobile: +27-83-6004028 Fax:+27-86-6115323 www.geograph.co.za === ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Hello Andras, all, Le jeudi 3 juillet 2014 15:18:19, Andreas Neumann a écrit : Hi all, I think a mention of the organization who funded a feature in the visual changelog is a reasonable request. Not much work and a fair recognition and thank you visible by many. I think this can be a good place to mention them, and probaly enough recognition to funders, as Nicolas mentionned it. A small logo could also be added, as stated for European funds compliance. Furthermore, the ephemeral aspect of the visual changelog also encourages funders to fund more features if they want to be on the next visual changelog. Adding some human-readable entries in the visual changelog about less flashy things may be something interesting too, so as readers realize that the work on the software is not always visible. Explaining refactoring is not easy e.g., but can be done and is of interest too. I agree with you Paolo that the other suggestions may be too much, and not really practical. In the visual changelog you also list the sponsors at the very top - so why not also mentioning the funding organization? If there are two or three co-funding you can list them all. I can see a positive effect by this that other organizations may also think about funding a specific feature if they see that other organizations do the same. I don't think that many users are aware that more than half of QGIS features would not exist if organizations or companies would not fund them. This is something that should really be improved. A lot of QGIS users still think the software improves all by itself, written by hippies in their garages (just unrealistic, not that I have anything against hippies ;-) Also, this encourages QGIS deployment as you say. Software deployment and migrations work a lot as mimic work. Funding these softwares too, and if an organization sees a similar org funding, they will be tempted to do the same. This is true that it is really difficult to provide recognition for all people helping to improve QGIS, as this is a complex ecosystem and there are a lot of different ways to help. We already have a list of contributors in QGIS, so recognition is already here mostly, even if we can probably improve it somehow, and also make it part of the visual changelog too. Keeping the process simple is probably possible, with something along these lines : Have a part at the bottom of the Visual ChangeLog, where we can list all contributors, and also thank any person who contributed to improve the software. This can work with general and simple concepts : * automatically list anyone having commits on the QGIS git repo * auto-add anyone having commits on the QGIS git documentation * auto-add plugin authors from public repo * add a way in projecta to easily suggest someone to thank, and add them The last, declarative part, would allow for flexibility. We do not need and should'nt enter a measure my investment in the project championship, I think a mention is sufficient. I am confident that we can trust the community to be reasonable on who gets proposed to be in, without having to rely on a complex peer-reviewed assessment. As for the visual ChangeLog, it would need a patch to projecta, and I made an issue on this point, feel free to improve and suggest more : https://github.com/timlinux/projecta/issues/102 As for the sponsor part, this is IMHO a very different subject. Sponsors are necessary to cover various expenses and mainly codesprints, help developers attend conferences, and maybe having some bugfix sessions too. I think the way it works now is pretty good and the investment/recognition ratio is reasonable. Hope this helps, Vincent I am with Nicolas and Oslandia on this request and I think that the visual changelog is a good place to thank the funders. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 12:29, schrieb n.roch...@aduga.org: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Il 02/07/2014 17:18, Vincent Picavet ha scritto: I want to raise an important topic to fellow QGIS users, developers and... funders ! It is clear from the release process debate, that one of the thing we need, is more funders. This is communication, but improving the general feedback to the organizations which really are spending money on QGIS to improve it for all of us to benefit from, would really help to get more people and more organizations involved. Hi Vincent, thanks for raising this important point. The issue is well known, and we have been discussing about it several times. In principle we'd be happy to give proper credits to funders. The main issue, IMHO, is that it is difficult to be fair in this: * How do we weight different contributions? * We all do some extra work (unpaid of covered by the surplus of major works): how to take this into account? If we do not do it, we effectively discourage developers and firms from contributing. The current approach, allowing funders to add a short note on the commits, and encouraging them to advertise it by posting notes and descriptions of these functions, is flexible and adds little overhead. I feel some of your suggestions would add too much noise e.g. to the About box. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Hi, my personal point of view on this question. I spent a lot of my personal time on qgis. Of course I work for a Public Administration and we had spent some fund on qgis. Not only qgis, but also geos, postgis, spatialite, gdal. More or less on every of them. The problem for us is to have a tracciability (hope this is the correct english word) of fund. And avoid that more PA pay the same think more time. :) This is a need because often the work is not completly isolated from to others. Instead it is mix with the work of other funders. And we like to avoid that the developer - Please notice: this is a point of principle to ALL our work not only to qgis. No reference to any qgis developer. - could sell the same develop to more than one PA. To avoid this we ask that the code will have a clear report of who fund and of the name of project (the fund project) This also help to certificate that the fund we declare to spent on QGIS , we have spent the fund REALLY on QGIS and not in any other thing. Also, I guess who spent its own free time to work on qgis, could have also it a really interest to have recognized its work as a funder of qgis don't ? So why don't report the funders , thinking to who work freely as a funders ? my 2ct, Andrea. 2014-07-03 8:19 GMT+02:00 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it: Il 02/07/2014 17:18, Vincent Picavet ha scritto: I want to raise an important topic to fellow QGIS users, developers and... funders ! It is clear from the release process debate, that one of the thing we need, is more funders. This is communication, but improving the general feedback to the organizations which really are spending money on QGIS to improve it for all of us to benefit from, would really help to get more people and more organizations involved. Hi Vincent, thanks for raising this important point. The issue is well known, and we have been discussing about it several times. In principle we'd be happy to give proper credits to funders. The main issue, IMHO, is that it is difficult to be fair in this: * How do we weight different contributions? * We all do some extra work (unpaid of covered by the surplus of major works): how to take this into account? If we do not do it, we effectively discourage developers and firms from contributing. The current approach, allowing funders to add a short note on the commits, and encouraging them to advertise it by posting notes and descriptions of these functions, is flexible and adds little overhead. I feel some of your suggestions would add too much noise e.g. to the About box. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- - Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty àèìòù - ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Hi everyone, I'm trying to explain that problem with no recognition of other private funding. I beleive in QGIS but i have no skill for coding. So I try to use my job tilte for find some fund for improve QGIS. I've started discussion with Anita Graser on Twitter for that. She explained to me that I paid for a special features and I will not display because I do note give money directly to QGIS project. I'm not agree with that because : - We choose official commiter QGIS for working into the core and not for an external plugin. (even if we also make some plugin and amazing number of plugin available contribute to QGIS popularity) - We contribute to improve QGIS and i popularity (SVG layer allow better work in DAO software like Inkscap or Illustrator) - I work for local authorities and in French law, it's not possible to give money without a precise goal but we can make improvment with a specific order. That's the reason why I will never able to sponsoring QGIS without ask a specific feature that is missing. And for local elected people that allow me to spend money into QGIS, they want to appear clearly. Its how it works on our territory. They won't check a changelog text file, they won't go to github, thay want to be display or quote somewhere where they could show to people what they do for them. If you don't display there action, you could really loose some funds for improve or help QGIS... Myself, I won't be able anymore to fund 6000 € per year for improve QGIS ... :( Best regards Nicolas Rochard Agence de développement et d'urbanisme du Grand Amiénois (Aduga) Le 3 juillet 2014 à 09:33, Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi, my personal point of view on this question. I spent a lot of my personal time on qgis. Of course I work for a Public Administration and we had spent some fund on qgis. Not only qgis, but also geos, postgis, spatialite, gdal. More or less on every of them. The problem for us is to have a tracciability (hope this is the correct english word) of fund. And avoid that more PA pay the same think more time. :) This is a need because often the work is not completly isolated from to others. Instead it is mix with the work of other funders. And we like to avoid that the developer - Please notice: this is a point of principle to ALL our work not only to qgis. No reference to any qgis developer. - could sell the same develop to more than one PA. To avoid this we ask that the code will have a clear report of who fund and of the name of project (the fund project) This also help to certificate that the fund we declare to spent on QGIS , we have spent the fund REALLY on QGIS and not in any other thing. Also, I guess who spent its own free time to work on qgis, could have also it a really interest to have recognized its work as a funder of qgis don't ? So why don't report the funders , thinking to who work freely as a funders ? my 2ct, Andrea. 2014-07-03 8:19 GMT+02:00 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it: Il 02/07/2014 17:18, Vincent Picavet ha scritto: I want to raise an important topic to fellow QGIS users, developers and... funders ! It is clear from the release process debate, that one of the thing we need, is more funders. This is communication, but improving the general feedback to the organizations which really are spending money on QGIS to improve it for all of us to benefit from, would really help to get more people and more organizations involved. Hi Vincent, thanks for raising this important point. The issue is well known, and we have been discussing about it several times. In principle we'd be happy to give proper credits to funders. The main issue, IMHO, is that it is difficult to be fair in this: * How do we weight different contributions? * We all do some extra work (unpaid of covered by the surplus of major works): how to take this into account? If we do not do it, we effectively discourage developers and firms from contributing. The current approach, allowing funders to add a short note on the commits, and encouraging them to advertise it by posting notes and descriptions of these functions, is flexible and adds little overhead. I feel some of your suggestions would add too much noise e.g. to the About box. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- - Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty àèìòù - ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Il 03/07/2014 12:20, n.roch...@aduga.org ha scritto: I've started discussion with Anita Graser on Twitter for that. She explained to me that I paid for a special features and I will not display because I do note give money directly to QGIS project. If you don't display there action, you could really loose some funds for improve or help QGIS... Myself, I won't be able anymore to fund 6000 € per year for improve QGIS Cher Nicolas, please keep on with the good work. I'm sure we can work this out. Would a note on commits + a post on social networks etc. be enough for you? Amicalement. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas Le 3 juillet 2014 à 13:57, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it a écrit : Il 03/07/2014 12:20, n.roch...@aduga.org ha scritto: I've started discussion with Anita Graser on Twitter for that. She explained to me that I paid for a special features and I will not display because I do note give money directly to QGIS project. If you don't display there action, you could really loose some funds for improve or help QGIS... Myself, I won't be able anymore to fund 6000 € per year for improve QGIS Cher Nicolas, please keep on with the good work. I'm sure we can work this out. Would a note on commits + a post on social networks etc. be enough for you? Amicalement. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Il 03/07/2014 14:29, n.roch...@aduga.org ha scritto: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund *entirely* a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) I understand your point. It may be difficult, or impossible, to define when a feature is funded entirely by one subject; software does not live in isolation, and we risk to overlook fundamental work in favour of more flashy new stuff. The issue here is to give appropriate credit to everyone, and be fair in this context is really tricky. That's why I would not mind leaving the advertising of a feature to its funder. Of course, this may not fit equally well everyone. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
I agree with Paolo. A phrase like totally fund to a feature mean that none other other subject is allowed to fund for any evolution on it. Because that feture it totally charge on that PA. But also should be possibile to allow an history of a feature. So if a PA has fund for the first creation of a new feature , this is clearly reported. But also if another user (with its free work , obviously reported) or other kind of user (also another PA) could fund for some other evolution is also it reported. Is this the main advantace of a GFOSS free developed cycle. So lock a feature on a single PA is like to put a copyright on it. :) regards, A. 2014-07-03 14:37 GMT+02:00 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it: Il 03/07/2014 14:29, n.roch...@aduga.org ha scritto: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund *entirely* a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) I understand your point. It may be difficult, or impossible, to define when a feature is funded entirely by one subject; software does not live in isolation, and we risk to overlook fundamental work in favour of more flashy new stuff. The issue here is to give appropriate credit to everyone, and be fair in this context is really tricky. That's why I would not mind leaving the advertising of a feature to its funder. Of course, this may not fit equally well everyone. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- - Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty àèìòù - ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
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I didn't think bad with my request and that ou explain is right.I didn't assess pernicious effects that my request will do. My request is to be sure to justifiy the work it has done by professional with fund I can have from our partner and try to stimulate opensource instead of seeing local agency and authorities buying new arcgis licenses. I have absolutely not want to denigrate the other contributions as they have all their importance in advancing QGIS Le 3 juillet 2014 à 14:45, Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com a écrit : I agree with Paolo. A phrase like totally fund to a feature mean that none other other subject is allowed to fund for any evolution on it. Because that feture it totally charge on that PA. But also should be possibile to allow an history of a feature. So if a PA has fund for the first creation of a new feature , this is clearly reported. But also if another user (with its free work , obviously reported) or other kind of user (also another PA) could fund for some other evolution is also it reported. Is this the main advantace of a GFOSS free developed cycle. So lock a feature on a single PA is like to put a copyright on it. :) regards, A. 2014-07-03 14:37 GMT+02:00 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it: Il 03/07/2014 14:29, n.roch...@aduga.org ha scritto: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund *entirely* a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) I understand your point. It may be difficult, or impossible, to define when a feature is funded entirely by one subject; software does not live in isolation, and we risk to overlook fundamental work in favour of more flashy new stuff. The issue here is to give appropriate credit to everyone, and be fair in this context is really tricky. That's why I would not mind leaving the advertising of a feature to its funder. Of course, this may not fit equally well everyone. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- - Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty àèìòù -___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Selon Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it: Il 03/07/2014 14:29, n.roch...@aduga.org ha scritto: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund *entirely* a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) I understand your point. It may be difficult, or impossible, to define when a feature is funded entirely by one subject; software does not live in isolation, and we risk to overlook fundamental work in favour of more flashy new stuff. The issue here is to give appropriate credit to everyone, and be fair in this context is really tricky. That's why I would not mind leaving the advertising of a feature to its funder. Of course, this may not fit equally well everyone. I agree with Paolo proper credit is tricky and some hard work isn't always visible or lies elsewhere. For example, QGIS benefits from GDAL/OGR. So to satisfy a user need, for example better supporting X format, most (if not all) of the ground work is done outside of QGIS. This is not a feature that will be visible in a QGIS commit, but as it is likely that the funder isn't completely aware of the technical details since he has probably just ordered make QGIS work with X format, he could be badly surprised to not see it mentionned in QGIS credits. Don't get me wrong : I'm not saying that funders should not be credited (their support is much needed !), just underlying the fairness issues. Even All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Hi all, I think a mention of the organization who funded a feature in the visual changelog is a reasonable request. Not much work and a fair recognition and thank you visible by many. In the visual changelog you also list the sponsors at the very top - so why not also mentioning the funding organization? If there are two or three co-funding you can list them all. I can see a positive effect by this that other organizations may also think about funding a specific feature if they see that other organizations do the same. I don't think that many users are aware that more than half of QGIS features would not exist if organizations or companies would not fund them. I am with Nicolas and Oslandia on this request and I think that the visual changelog is a good place to thank the funders. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 12:29, schrieb n.roch...@aduga.org: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
In the visual changelog I wouldn't propose to include logos of funding organizations. Just the name and the link to the organization. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 13:18, schrieb Andreas Neumann: Hi all, I think a mention of the organization who funded a feature in the visual changelog is a reasonable request. Not much work and a fair recognition and thank you visible by many. In the visual changelog you also list the sponsors at the very top - so why not also mentioning the funding organization? If there are two or three co-funding you can list them all. I can see a positive effect by this that other organizations may also think about funding a specific feature if they see that other organizations do the same. I don't think that many users are aware that more than half of QGIS features would not exist if organizations or companies would not fund them. I am with Nicolas and Oslandia on this request and I think that the visual changelog is a good place to thank the funders. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 12:29, schrieb n.roch...@aduga.org: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Ask more for have 50% of the request :-) Its not necessary but carefull if you order a improvment with Europe's fund, you must display the logo (it was our experience with the QGIS plugin cadastre) Nicolas Le 3 juillet 2014 à 15:26, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net a écrit : In the visual changelog I wouldn't propose to include logos of funding organizations. Just the name and the link to the organization. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 13:18, schrieb Andreas Neumann: Hi all, I think a mention of the organization who funded a feature in the visual changelog is a reasonable request. Not much work and a fair recognition and thank you visible by many. In the visual changelog you also list the sponsors at the very top - so why not also mentioning the funding organization? If there are two or three co-funding you can list them all. I can see a positive effect by this that other organizations may also think about funding a specific feature if they see that other organizations do the same. I don't think that many users are aware that more than half of QGIS features would not exist if organizations or companies would not fund them. I am with Nicolas and Oslandia on this request and I think that the visual changelog is a good place to thank the funders. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 12:29, schrieb n.roch...@aduga.org: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
right! Tata Livreri Il 03/07/2014 14:37, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: Il 03/07/2014 14:29, n.roch...@aduga.org ha scritto: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund *entirely* a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) I understand your point. It may be difficult, or impossible, to define when a feature is funded entirely by one subject; software does not live in isolation, and we risk to overlook fundamental work in favour of more flashy new stuff. The issue here is to give appropriate credit to everyone, and be fair in this context is really tricky. That's why I would not mind leaving the advertising of a feature to its funder. Of course, this may not fit equally well everyone. All the best. -- Legambiente Comitato Regionale Siciliano Ufficio Gestione Riserve Sistema Informativo Territoriale tel 0916262697 - 0906264139 www.legambienteriserve.it via Tripoli 3 - Palermo 90138 ** ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Yes, I confirm this heavy constraint. Every develope with european fund ask to have a logo in it. More complex then this is when with the european fund you do a GIS archive. The european officers think only to a map as a pdf or as an image so they guess seem easy to put a logo on it. But if the result of funded work is a shapefile , where I put the logo ? :)) A. 2014-07-03 15:37 GMT+02:00 n.roch...@aduga.org n.roch...@aduga.org: Ask more for have 50% of the request :-) Its not necessary but carefull if you order a improvment with Europe's fund, you must display the logo (it was our experience with the QGIS plugin cadastre) Nicolas Le 3 juillet 2014 à 15:26, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net a écrit : In the visual changelog I wouldn't propose to include logos of funding organizations. Just the name and the link to the organization. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 13:18, schrieb Andreas Neumann: Hi all, I think a mention of the organization who funded a feature in the visual changelog is a reasonable request. Not much work and a fair recognition and thank you visible by many. In the visual changelog you also list the sponsors at the very top - so why not also mentioning the funding organization? If there are two or three co-funding you can list them all. I can see a positive effect by this that other organizations may also think about funding a specific feature if they see that other organizations do the same. I don't think that many users are aware that more than half of QGIS features would not exist if organizations or companies would not fund them. I am with Nicolas and Oslandia on this request and I think that the visual changelog is a good place to thank the funders. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 12:29, schrieb n.roch...@aduga.org: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- - Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty àèìòù - ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
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Add 'made-with-european-fund.shp' in the name of the shapefile :)) Le 3 juillet 2014 à 16:58, Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com a écrit : Yes, I confirm this heavy constraint. Every develope with european fund ask to have a logo in it. More complex then this is when with the european fund you do a GIS archive. The european officers think only to a map as a pdf or as an image so they guess seem easy to put a logo on it. But if the result of funded work is a shapefile , where I put the logo ? :)) A. 2014-07-03 15:37 GMT+02:00 n.roch...@aduga.org n.roch...@aduga.org: Ask more for have 50% of the request :-) Its not necessary but carefull if you order a improvment with Europe's fund, you must display the logo (it was our experience with the QGIS plugin cadastre) Nicolas Le 3 juillet 2014 à 15:26, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net a écrit : In the visual changelog I wouldn't propose to include logos of funding organizations. Just the name and the link to the organization. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 13:18, schrieb Andreas Neumann: Hi all, I think a mention of the organization who funded a feature in the visual changelog is a reasonable request. Not much work and a fair recognition and thank you visible by many. In the visual changelog you also list the sponsors at the very top - so why not also mentioning the funding organization? If there are two or three co-funding you can list them all. I can see a positive effect by this that other organizations may also think about funding a specific feature if they see that other organizations do the same. I don't think that many users are aware that more than half of QGIS features would not exist if organizations or companies would not fund them. I am with Nicolas and Oslandia on this request and I think that the visual changelog is a good place to thank the funders. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 12:29, schrieb n.roch...@aduga.org: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- - Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty àèìòù -___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Hello all, I feel that we would have the exact same problem in Portugal. Public entities will not be able to donate, because they must justify the spent money with some direct need. On the other hand, to convince a decision maker or politician that investing in QGIS is (also) good for their image, without have a visible place to advertise it, might be very difficult to achieve. You probably have discussed this before, but how about consider Funding organizations (or persons) as sponsors if the funded feature are of public and generalized use? The amount of work could be quantified and a gold, silver of bronze sponsor badge given in accordance with the same rules applied. If the feature is not considered of general use (a national or regional specific feature or plugin) or if the estimated amount of work does not reach the bronze sponsor value, then the changelog would be enough (Tho If I were a decision maker I would prefer to see it in the QGIS main webpage). Best regards, Alexandre Neto On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net wrote: In the visual changelog I wouldn't propose to include logos of funding organizations. Just the name and the link to the organization. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 13:18, schrieb Andreas Neumann: Hi all, I think a mention of the organization who funded a feature in the visual changelog is a reasonable request. Not much work and a fair recognition and thank you visible by many. In the visual changelog you also list the sponsors at the very top - so why not also mentioning the funding organization? If there are two or three co-funding you can list them all. I can see a positive effect by this that other organizations may also think about funding a specific feature if they see that other organizations do the same. I don't think that many users are aware that more than half of QGIS features would not exist if organizations or companies would not fund them. I am with Nicolas and Oslandia on this request and I think that the visual changelog is a good place to thank the funders. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 12:29, schrieb n.roch...@aduga.org: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
On 03/07/2014 11:18 pm, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net wrote: Hi all, I think a mention of the organization who funded a feature in the visual changelog is a reasonable request. Not much work and a fair recognition and thank you visible by many. In the visual changelog you also list the sponsors at the very top - so why not also mentioning the funding organization? If there are two or three co-funding you can list them all. I can see a positive effect by this that other organizations may also think about funding a specific feature if they see that other organizations do the same. I don't think that many users are aware that more than half of QGIS features would not exist if organizations or companies would not fund them. I am with Nicolas and Oslandia on this request and I think that the visual changelog is a good place to thank the funders. I'm strongly in favor of this idea. We could set some strict guidelines about acceptable logo size and decide on a standard funded by... string for the changelog, to avoid sponsors expecting huge logos or massive blurbs about their organization. Nyall ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
[Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Hello, I want to raise an important topic to fellow QGIS users, developers and... funders ! It is clear from the release process debate, that one of the thing we need, is more funders. I regularly hear from potential QGIS funders sentences like We would like to be recognized as a funder for this feature. I usually answer that we can make some announcement on Oslandia's behalf, and clearly state that the feature we developped for them has been funded. But there is nowhere in the QGIS project where these investors in OpenSource get any recognition. It would be great to at least thank them, and better to mention them in various places whenever we can too. Most of the time, these users fund completely a feature, which is for sure important for them, but will be used by many other users (non-funders). I think their role should be emphasized. It is mainly communication work, but it has a great impact, and particularly for deciders, who do not have any technical capabilities, do not track the mailing list or the github repository, but would be really happy with their name / logo in the About QGIS window. Some proposals for this : * At least mention feature funders in the visual changelog https://github.com/timlinux/projecta/issues/102 * Mention bugfix funders and other various funders in the changelog as well * Make a special Thank you page for funders * Mention features and funders in the About dialog box Sponsors are important for the QGIS project in order to be able to fund community meetings, to sponsor core devs to help them go to conferences, allow for QGIS brochures and other materials, and help to other QGIS-related event But feature funders are really importante too, and often invest more money to the project than sponsors, without having recognition. Moreover, a lot of organisms, particularly public administration, cannot spend money for sponsoring, whereas they can for feature funding. This is communication, but improving the general feedback to the organizations which really are spending money on QGIS to improve it for all of us to benefit from, would really help to get more people and more organizations involved. I would be glad to hear your thoughts on this, Vincent ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Start a page on Wikipedia: List Of Companies That Fund Open Source Software Projects and list QGIS. Then invite other projects to add their sponsors to the list. Once established a page like this will be contributed to and maintained by users around the world. Hello, I want to raise an important topic to fellow QGIS users, developers and... funders ! It is clear from the release process debate, that one of the thing we need, is more funders. I regularly hear from potential QGIS funders sentences like We would like to be recognized as a funder for this feature. I usually answer that we can make some announcement on Oslandia's behalf, and clearly state that the feature we developped for them has been funded. But there is nowhere in the QGIS project where these investors in OpenSource get any recognition. It would be great to at least thank them, and better to mention them in various places whenever we can too. Most of the time, these users fund completely a feature, which is for sure important for them, but will be used by many other users (non-funders). I think their role should be emphasized. It is mainly communication work, but it has a great impact, and particularly for deciders, who do not have any technical capabilities, do not track the mailing list or the github repository, but would be really happy with their name / logo in the About QGIS window. Some proposals for this : * At least mention feature funders in the visual changelog https://github.com/timlinux/projecta/issues/102 * Mention bugfix funders and other various funders in the changelog as well * Make a special Thank you page for funders * Mention features and funders in the About dialog box Sponsors are important for the QGIS project in order to be able to fund community meetings, to sponsor core devs to help them go to conferences, allow for QGIS brochures and other materials, and help to other QGIS-related event But feature funders are really importante too, and often invest more money to the project than sponsors, without having recognition. Moreover, a lot of organisms, particularly public administration, cannot spend money for sponsoring, whereas they can for feature funding. This is communication, but improving the general feedback to the organizations which really are spending money on QGIS to improve it for all of us to benefit from, would really help to get more people and more organizations involved. I would be glad to hear your thoughts on this, Vincent ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
