Re: [R] Random sampling while keeping distribution of nearest neighbor distances constant.
> But if the 1st order differences are the same, then doesn't it follow that > the 2nd, 3rd, ... order differences must be the same between the original and > the new "random" vector. What am I missing? You are missing nothing sorry, I wrote something wrong. What I would like to be preserved is the distance with the *nearest* neighbor, so diff is not the way to go. If you only consider the nearest neighbor, then c(3,4, 8,9) and c(4,5,6,7) are the same in terms of first order (all closest neighbor are 1 unit away) but not in terms of second order. Also, I don't know if there would be a simple way to maintain a *distribution* of distances (even if not of nearest neighbor). For example, c(2,4,5,6) could be c(1,3,4,5), c(3,5,6,7) as proposed by your solution, but it could also be: c(4,5,6,8) Or, c(2,3,6,7,8) could be c(2,3,4,7,8) Actually, that's really simple! I can simply resample the "diff" vector! OK so the only problem becomes the 1st, 2d, 3rd order thing now, but you made me realize that I can skip it for the moment. Thank you! :-) Emmanuel > > Dan > > Daniel J. Nordlund > Washington State Department of Social and Health Services > Planning, Performance, and Accountability > Research and Data Analysis Division > Olympia, WA 98504-5204 > > > __ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Random sampling while keeping distribution of nearest neighbor distances constant.
> -Original Message- > From: Emmanuel Levy [mailto:emmanuel.l...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:48 PM > To: Nordlund, Dan (DSHS/RDA) > Cc: r-h...@stat.math.ethz.ch; dev djomson > Subject: Re: [R] Random sampling while keeping distribution of nearest > neighbor > distances constant. > > Dear Daniel, > > Thank a lot for your suggestion. It is helpful and got me thinking > more about it so that I can rephrase it: > > Given a vector V containing X values, comprised within 1 and N. I'd > like to sample values so that the *distribution* of distances between > the X values is similar. > > There are several distributions: the 1st order would be given by the > function diff. > The 2d order distribution would be given by > diff(V[seq(1,length(V),by=2)]) and diff(V[seq(2,length(V),by=2)]) > The 3rd order distribution diff(V[seq(1,length(V),by=3)]) and > diff(V[seq(2,length(V),by=3)]) and diff(V[seq(3,length(V),by=3)]) > The 4th order > > I would like to produce different samples, where the first, or first > and second, or first and second and third, or up to say five orders > distance distributions are reproduced. > > Is anybody aware of a formalism that is explained in a book and that > could help me deal with this problem? Or even better of a package? > > Thanks for your help, > > Emmanuel > > But if the 1st order differences are the same, then doesn't it follow that the 2nd, 3rd, ... order differences must be the same between the original and the new "random" vector. What am I missing? Dan Daniel J. Nordlund Washington State Department of Social and Health Services Planning, Performance, and Accountability Research and Data Analysis Division Olympia, WA 98504-5204 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Random sampling while keeping distribution of nearest neighbor distances constant.
Dear Daniel,
Thank a lot for your suggestion. It is helpful and got me thinking
more about it so that I can rephrase it:
Given a vector V containing X values, comprised within 1 and N. I'd
like to sample values so that the *distribution* of distances between
the X values is similar.
There are several distributions: the 1st order would be given by the
function diff.
The 2d order distribution would be given by
diff(V[seq(1,length(V),by=2)]) and diff(V[seq(2,length(V),by=2)])
The 3rd order distribution diff(V[seq(1,length(V),by=3)]) and
diff(V[seq(2,length(V),by=3)]) and diff(V[seq(3,length(V),by=3)])
The 4th order
I would like to produce different samples, where the first, or first
and second, or first and second and third, or up to say five orders
distance distributions are reproduced.
Is anybody aware of a formalism that is explained in a book and that
could help me deal with this problem? Or even better of a package?
Thanks for your help,
Emmanuel
2009/8/12 Nordlund, Dan (DSHS/RDA) :
>> -Original Message-
>> From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On
>> Behalf Of Emmanuel Levy
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:05 PM
>> To: r-h...@stat.math.ethz.ch
>> Cc: dev djomson
>> Subject: [R] Random sampling while keeping distribution of nearest neighbor
>> distances constant.
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I cannot find a solution to the following problem although I imagine
>> that it is a classic, hence my email.
>>
>> I have a vector V of X values comprised between 1 and N.
>>
>> I would like to get random samples of X values also comprised between
>> 1 and N, but the important point is:
>> * I would like to keep the same distribution of distances between the X
>> values *
>>
>> For example let's say N=10 and I have V = c(3,4,5,6)
>> then the random values could be 1,2,3,4 or 2,3,4,5 or 3,4,5,6, or 4,5,6,7
>> etc..
>> so that the distribution of distances (3 <-> 4, 3 <->5, 3 <-> 6, 4 <->
>> 5, 4 <-> 6 etc ...) is kept constant.
>>
>> I couldn't find a package that help me with this, but it looks like it
>> should be a classic problem so there should be something!
>>
>> Many thanks in advance for any help or hint you could provide,
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Emmanuel
>>
>
> Emmanuel,
>
> I don't know if this is a classic problem or not. But given your
> description, you write your own function something like this
>
> sample.dist <- function(vec, Min=1, Max=10){
> diffs <- c(0,diff(vec))
> sum_d <- sum(diffs)
> sample(Min:(Max-sum_d),1)+cumsum(diffs)
> }
>
> Where Min and Max are the minimum and maximum values that you are sampling
> from (Min=1 and Max=10 in your example), and vec is passed the vector that
> you are sampling distances from. This assumes that your vector is sorted
> smallest to largest as in your example. The function could be changed to
> accommodate a vector that isn't sorted.
>
>> V <- sort(sample(1:100,4))
>> V
> #[1] 46 78 82 95
>> sample.dist(V, Min=1, Max=100)
> #[1] 36 68 72 85
>> sample.dist(V, Min=1, Max=100)
> #[1] 12 44 48 61
>>
> This should get you started at least. Hope this is helpful,
>
> Dan
>
> Daniel J. Nordlund
> Washington State Department of Social and Health Services
> Planning, Performance, and Accountability
> Research and Data Analysis Division
> Olympia, WA 98504-5204
>
>
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Re: [R] Random sampling while keeping distribution of nearest neighbor distances constant.
> -Original Message-
> From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On
> Behalf Of Emmanuel Levy
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:05 PM
> To: r-h...@stat.math.ethz.ch
> Cc: dev djomson
> Subject: [R] Random sampling while keeping distribution of nearest neighbor
> distances constant.
>
> Dear All,
>
> I cannot find a solution to the following problem although I imagine
> that it is a classic, hence my email.
>
> I have a vector V of X values comprised between 1 and N.
>
> I would like to get random samples of X values also comprised between
> 1 and N, but the important point is:
> * I would like to keep the same distribution of distances between the X
> values *
>
> For example let's say N=10 and I have V = c(3,4,5,6)
> then the random values could be 1,2,3,4 or 2,3,4,5 or 3,4,5,6, or 4,5,6,7
> etc..
> so that the distribution of distances (3 <-> 4, 3 <->5, 3 <-> 6, 4 <->
> 5, 4 <-> 6 etc ...) is kept constant.
>
> I couldn't find a package that help me with this, but it looks like it
> should be a classic problem so there should be something!
>
> Many thanks in advance for any help or hint you could provide,
>
> All the best,
>
> Emmanuel
>
Emmanuel,
I don't know if this is a classic problem or not. But given your description,
you write your own function something like this
sample.dist <- function(vec, Min=1, Max=10){
diffs <- c(0,diff(vec))
sum_d <- sum(diffs)
sample(Min:(Max-sum_d),1)+cumsum(diffs)
}
Where Min and Max are the minimum and maximum values that you are sampling from
(Min=1 and Max=10 in your example), and vec is passed the vector that you are
sampling distances from. This assumes that your vector is sorted smallest to
largest as in your example. The function could be changed to accommodate a
vector that isn't sorted.
> V <- sort(sample(1:100,4))
> V
#[1] 46 78 82 95
> sample.dist(V, Min=1, Max=100)
#[1] 36 68 72 85
> sample.dist(V, Min=1, Max=100)
#[1] 12 44 48 61
>
This should get you started at least. Hope this is helpful,
Dan
Daniel J. Nordlund
Washington State Department of Social and Health Services
Planning, Performance, and Accountability
Research and Data Analysis Division
Olympia, WA 98504-5204
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[R] Random sampling while keeping distribution of nearest neighbor distances constant.
Dear All,(my apologies if it got posted twice, it seems it didn't get through) I cannot find a solution to the following problem although I suppose this is a classic. I have a vector V of X=length(V) values comprised between 1 and N. I would like to get random samples of X values also comprised between 1 and N, but the important point is: * I would like to keep the same distribution of distances between the original X values * For example let's say N=10 and I have V = c(3,4,5,6) then the random values could be 1,2,3,4 or 2,3,4,5 or 3,4,5,6, or 4,5,6,7 etc.. so that the distribution of distances (3 <-> 4, 3 <->5, 3 <-> 6, 4 <-> 5, 4 <-> 6 etc ...) is kept constant. I couldn't find a package that help me with this, but it looks like it should be a classic problem so there should be something! Many thanks in advance for any help or hint you could provide, All the best, Emmanuel __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] Random sampling while keeping distribution of nearest neighbor distances constant.
Dear All, I cannot find a solution to the following problem although I imagine that it is a classic, hence my email. I have a vector V of X values comprised between 1 and N. I would like to get random samples of X values also comprised between 1 and N, but the important point is: * I would like to keep the same distribution of distances between the X values * For example let's say N=10 and I have V = c(3,4,5,6) then the random values could be 1,2,3,4 or 2,3,4,5 or 3,4,5,6, or 4,5,6,7 etc.. so that the distribution of distances (3 <-> 4, 3 <->5, 3 <-> 6, 4 <-> 5, 4 <-> 6 etc ...) is kept constant. I couldn't find a package that help me with this, but it looks like it should be a classic problem so there should be something! Many thanks in advance for any help or hint you could provide, All the best, Emmanuel __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
