[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-26 Thread Paul in Dallas
I too enjoy the accounts of your cycling adventures.

Keep'em coming.

Way to go up that hill!

A few times I have surprised a full kit clad 'clipped in' guy on a high dollar 
racing bike
over the years with me dressed in cargo shorts and a long sleeve cotton shirt 
spinning platform pedals on a vintage bike.

I can no longer sustain a high effort like that for too long but it is fun to 
occasionally
put the leg to the pedal and see what you can do, 'blow out the cobwebs' so to 
speak.

I often wonder if these folks are thinking, " Wait a minute, how can old guy on 
an old bike without
all the kit and high end bike keep up and/or or pass him." " That's not what 
the bike shop told me."

Of course who knows how much riding or training  they have been able to do
or perhaps health issues any of these folks have.

More often than not the really young bucks on high end bikes pass me like I am 
standing still
but occasionally I surprise one.

However, I have been hearing more accounts of surprised racers being passed by 
folks 
who shouldn't be able to
and it turns out they have an electric assist motor on their bike.

It was great you were able to have a friendly conversation with one of them.

Safe pedaling to all in full kit or regular clothes, steel, carbon or whatever 
bike.

Paul in Dallas

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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-25 Thread Steve Palincsar



On 05/25/2017 09:50 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:



On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:




On 05/25/2017 09:37 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Cycling became fashionable relatively recently (last 15 years?)
and only after the "technology marketing" boom of the post- Cold
War era.


Oh really?  What was the Bike Boom of 1965 - 1975
?


Did you forget about the hiatus ending with the mtb boom and the 
growth of Trek and Specialized?


My point was that cycling had been fashionable before in the 20th. If, 
on the other hand, you meant "Cycling /once again/ became fashionable 
after a hiatus recently" then I'll have to take your word for it as I've 
not been paying attention to the ebb and flow.






So I guess many enthusiasts really know little cycling history;
know little outside of what is in the big stores and in Bicycling
and Velo News and Bike Radar. That's too bad, since the further
you go back, the more commonality there is between different
sorts of cycling; at least the Clem is lugged steel and friction
shifted.


Or it could just be that many of the people we're talking about
are so young and ignorant they know little about /any/ history.  
"Vietnam War, wasn't King Arthur involved in that?"



Tell that to the greybeards I see all around me who haven't heard of 
lugged steel before.






Just as some men become bald in their early 20s, some turn grey at an 
early age: that doesn't signify.  However, if you weren't paying 
attention to bicycles until the Lance Armstrong era, it would be 
understandable if you believed bicycles were only made of carbon fibre.


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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-25 Thread Patrick Moore
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 05/25/2017 09:37 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Cycling became fashionable relatively recently (last 15 years?) and only
> after the "technology marketing" boom of the post- Cold War era.
>
>
> Oh really?  What was the Bike Boom of 1965 - 1975
> ?
>

Did you forget about the hiatus ending with the mtb boom and the growth of
Trek and Specialized?

>
> So I guess many enthusiasts really know little cycling history; know
> little outside of what is in the big stores and in Bicycling and Velo News
> and Bike Radar. That's too bad, since the further you go back, the more
> commonality there is between different sorts of cycling; at least the Clem
> is lugged steel and friction shifted.
>
>
> Or it could just be that many of the people we're talking about are so
> young and ignorant they know little about *any* history.   "Vietnam War,
> wasn't King Arthur involved in that?"
>

Tell that to the greybeards I see all around me who haven't heard of lugged
steel before.

>

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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-25 Thread Steve Palincsar



On 05/25/2017 09:37 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Cycling became fashionable relatively recently (last 15 years?) and 
only after the "technology marketing" boom of the post- Cold War era.


Oh really?  What was the Bike Boom of 1965 - 1975 
?



So I guess many enthusiasts really know little cycling history; know 
little outside of what is in the big stores and in Bicycling and Velo 
News and Bike Radar. That's too bad, since the further you go back, 
the more commonality there is between different sorts of cycling; at 
least the Clem is lugged steel and friction shifted.


Or it could just be that many of the people we're talking about are so 
young and ignorant they know little about /any/ history. "Vietnam War, 
wasn't King Arthur involved in that?"


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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Cycling became fashionable relatively recently (last 15 years?) and only
after the "technology marketing" boom of the post- Cold War era. So I guess
many enthusiasts really know little cycling history; know little outside of
what is in the big stores and in Bicycling and Velo News and Bike Radar.
That's too bad, since the further you go back, the more commonality there
is between different sorts of cycling; at least the Clem is lugged steel
and friction shifted.

That's not to say that technology hasn't been a good thing. Aero brake
levers and clipless pedals are very good things and make my cycling
experience much better; most recently, tubular quality wired-ons and
effective sealants are even more important, at least to me.

As to the "attack": It reminds me of my youthful 40s when I would overhaul
roadies uphill on my mountain bike and, with such a casual "nice bike" pass
them, much to their chagrin. Now I get passed by the fitter and younger
women (well, they have 10 or 11 in back, I have 1 or 2).

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:22 AM, LeahFoy  wrote:

> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and
> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of
> humor ought not proceed.*
>
> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up
> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their
> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and
> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the
> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts
> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really
> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have
> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like
> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the
> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision.
> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and
> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst
> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I
> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I
> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do
> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into
> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill.
>
> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed
> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said
> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day,
> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind
> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me.
>
> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me.
> "I don't know. It's friction shifting."
> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me.
> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best
> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them
> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I
> will be riding it still in 40 years."
>
> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me,
> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of
> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look
> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars
> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love
> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell,
> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog
> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear
> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I
> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had.
> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right;
> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details
> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how
> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally,
> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is
> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill.
>
> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his
> bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the
> side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having
> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor!
>
> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend.
> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up."
>
> You can't win 

Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-24 Thread Ed Fausto
Wow Leah!
I just came back from a bike ride with friends and after reading this
really made my day :-)
Can't wait to tell my wife Mabel this story.
Regards,
Ed

PS Keep us updated on the next episode.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:22 AM, LeahFoy  wrote:

> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and
> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of
> humor ought not proceed.*
>
> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up
> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their
> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and
> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the
> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts
> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really
> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have
> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like
> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the
> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision.
> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and
> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst
> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I
> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I
> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do
> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into
> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill.
>
> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed
> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said
> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day,
> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind
> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me.
>
> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me.
> "I don't know. It's friction shifting."
> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me.
> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best
> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them
> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I
> will be riding it still in 40 years."
>
> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me,
> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of
> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look
> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars
> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love
> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell,
> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog
> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear
> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I
> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had.
> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right;
> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details
> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how
> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally,
> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is
> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill.
>
> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his
> bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the
> side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having
> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor!
>
> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend.
> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up."
>
> You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new
> visitor, and possibly a new bike order.
>
> Yours, Leah
>
> PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike
> this gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you
> could want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, which is 30% off right
> now and would look splendid with your fancy Rivs. #thatsdarling
>
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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-24 Thread LeahFoy
Rights to name the hill Killer Hill are yours! 4.5 mile climb? Yikes! Good on 
you; I can't imagine how strong your legs must be.

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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-24 Thread dstein
Great story! I have a version of killer hill that starts close to my house 
and climbs for 4.5 miles. Used to take me 40 minutes. I'd get passed by the 
lycra crabon crowd all the time. So i kept pushing and got my ass in shape. 
I can now get up the hill in about 32 minutes, on par or better than my 
friends, and my bikes keep getting heavier (gunnar sport to hunqapillar to 
jones plus). 

The other week I was out on my Jones plus with 2.4" tires (up on roads, 
down on trails), I passed most everyone I came upon, it felt pretty good, 
especially considering it's a pretty popular cycling route...one guy 
insisted I had a motor on my bike as I passed him and was looking for it, 
maybe I should have just let him think I had 
one: https://www.strava.com/activities/953448588
Maybe I should have been wearing a nice white brimmed hat for effect;)

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Because a lugged steel beaut that is so good that it can - with its rider 
> in a silly sundress -  smoke your fancy carbon machine...well, that Roadini 
> order is as good as placed. I won't even ask Grant for any commission. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On May 24, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote: 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-24 Thread Leah Peterson
Because a lugged steel beaut that is so good that it can - with its rider in a 
silly sundress -  smoke your fancy carbon machine...well, that Roadini order is 
as good as placed. I won't even ask Grant for any commission.

Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-24 Thread Joe Bernard
APPROVED!!!

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[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-24 Thread LeahFoy
PS I'm gonna do it in a sundress and sandals. 

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[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-24 Thread LeahFoy
Joe, if that's true it was completely wasted on me! Like, woah, right over my 
wide-brimmed, hatted head. Worse, does that mean he really wasn't enamored with 
my bike? Because GEEZ, is anyone in Vegas ever going to appreciate my bike?!? 
If I see him tomorrow on Killer Hill I'm going to SMOKE him out there, and then 
we'll see how he feels about TBBITW. Ha!!!

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[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-24 Thread Joe Bernard
Leah, I love this adorable story, but you missed a really clear point which 
makes your telling of the story even more amusing: The guy who came back to 
talk more was flirting with you! ;-)

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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

2017-05-24 Thread Andrew Letton
Good on ya', Leah! Great story!cheers from Oz,Andrew

  From: LeahFoy 
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 Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:22 AM
 Subject: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill
   
*The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and girly 
hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of humor ought 
not proceed.*

I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up Killer 
Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their bikes in the 
racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and feeling the 
contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the day before and 
bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts (also new) and my 
(new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really should make me get a 
job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have coined "outdoor chic." On my 
lovely bike, sailing along I felt like #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill 
could dampen the mood! Towards the worst of the hill I happened to catch 
something in my peripheral vision. Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed 
carbon bikes with helmets and helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the 
other side of the road amidst traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the 
whole thing hilarious, as I imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a 
"real" rider to them. I don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made 
fun of people who do exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did 
it: I shifted into the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up 
Killer Hill. 

The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed his 
bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said something about 
"good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, laughed a bit and 
carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind me on the path. There 
he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 

"How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
"I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
"What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me.
"Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best things 
from the past and all the best things from the present, put them together and 
create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I will be riding it 
still in 40 years."

He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, too) and 
how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of climbing. Then we 
stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look over TBBITW. He loved 
the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars ("Wow, I really like the 
shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love how you have these racks and 
panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, and I did my best to tell him. He 
had never heard of it, so I tried to jog his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? 
Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear we're in different biking worlds, I said. I 
finally hit pay-dirt when I asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." 
Yeah, in fact he had. "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope 
I told him right; that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice 
little details on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, 
because how often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? 
Finally, someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that 
is beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill.

His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his 
bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the side 
eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having beat him by 
a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor! 

"Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend. 
"Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up." 

You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new visitor, and 
possibly a new bike order. 

Yours, Leah

PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike this 
gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you could 
want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, which is 30% off right now and 
would look splendid with your fancy Rivs. #thatsdarling

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Great hat and another wonderful narrative!
I do love: "I don't know. It's friction shifting." perfect!!

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