Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 13:24 -0700, LBleriot wrote: Sorry for the confusion. When I used a stem mounted dex, the bag lifted off the rack a bit (because of the height of the headset/ headtube) Or, more like, because you had the wrong size bag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
That is correct. No decaleur is needed. The straps to the handlebar make it very stable. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Mar 24, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The Acorn is specifically designed for a front rack (with velcro straps on the bottom that go around the rack), with a decaleur optional. Instead of a decaleur, you can run straps to the brake hoods. If you don't want a front rack, sell the Acorn and buy yourself the Rivendell Sackville BarSack and Nitto handlebar mount for it. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 The BarSack makes no use of a front rack, unlike the Acorn. I just bought a used Acorn that came with a VO decaleur. I'll be putting it on a Nitto M12 or Mini Front. Don't have it yet, so can't say how well the VO decaleur works. Cheers, Gernot On Mar 24, 7:18 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought my first handlebar bag, an Acorn Boxy Rando. I am not running a front rack or fenders, but adding a front rack isn't out of the question if it's needed. What decaleur/rackaleurs have you all used with success paired with the Acorn? Thanks, Pete -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 06:09 -0700, Rene Sterental wrote: That is correct. No decaleur is needed. The straps to the handlebar make it very stable. One big reason to use a decaleur is that it provides some stand-off from the handlebar. Strapping a bag to the bars steals away most of the top of the bar, preventing its use as a riding position. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
The Acorn Boxy Rando Bag doesn't strap to the top of the bar. It's lateral strings go to the bottom section of the drop on your drop bars by the barend shifters. They work equally well with M bars. Not sure about Albatross bars. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Mar 24, 2011, at 6:16 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 06:09 -0700, Rene Sterental wrote: That is correct. No decaleur is needed. The straps to the handlebar make it very stable. One big reason to use a decaleur is that it provides some stand-off from the handlebar. Strapping a bag to the bars steals away most of the top of the bar, preventing its use as a riding position. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
I think you'd like a rack better. On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:58 AM, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote: I can mount something like a Mark's Rack without any problem on my one bike. However, I've done some more looking around and found this http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/racks/rackaleur-front-bag-mount.html which looks like it might work. Pete On Mar 24, 4:22 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The Acorn is specifically designed for a front rack (with velcro straps on the bottom that go around the rack), with a decaleur optional. Instead of a decaleur, you can run straps to the brake hoods. If you don't want a front rack, sell the Acorn and buy yourself the Rivendell Sackville BarSack and Nitto handlebar mount for it. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 The BarSack makes no use of a front rack, unlike the Acorn. I just bought a used Acorn that came with a VO decaleur. I'll be putting it on a Nitto M12 or Mini Front. Don't have it yet, so can't say how well the VO decaleur works. Cheers, Gernot On Mar 24, 7:18 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought my first handlebar bag, an Acorn Boxy Rando. I am not running a front rack or fenders, but adding a front rack isn't out of the question if it's needed. What decaleur/rackaleurs have you all used with success paired with the Acorn? Thanks, Pete- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
decaleurs do have their place, but with the acorn bag, I wouldnt bother. the acorn system is very stable and easily removable. I can take my acorn boxy bag off in maybe 5 seconds. maybe not as fast a with a decaleur, but fast enough. On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 24, 9:16 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: One big reason to use a decaleur is that it provides some stand-off from the handlebar. Strapping a bag to the bars steals away most of the top of the bar, preventing its use as a riding position. Another big reason is the quick release feature of a decaleur. Weigle's p-clamp solution is fine if the bag primarily stays on the bike - but if one takes the bag on/off frequently, or uses the bag on multiple bikes (as I do), fishing around in the bag to unscrew nuts just to get the bag on/off the bike is simply not as convenient or practical as using a decaleur, especially with a loaded bag. same goes for strapping the bag to the handlebars. I also note that J.P. was using a small berthoud bag at the D2R2 - not a larger boxy bag. I'm skeptical that those p-clamps alone would be enough to stabilize a large, loaded boxy bag. perhaps it is, but still - no quick release. In my experience, a rack and decaleur really allows a large handlebar bag to be used to its fullest potential - the combination supports the bag from below and keeps it rigid up top, keeping the bag very stable, even when stuffed to the hilt. and i can get the bag on/off the bike(s) in literally 2 seconds. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
+1 to the added benefit of a decaleur with the Acorn rando bag. I'd used the bag without a decaleur on a Mark's Rack before, but on a subsequent bike build I opted to go for Nitto M-13 + VO threaded decaleur. I was surprised at how much more stable and solid the bag felt with the addition of the decaleur. A lot less sway, especially when riding over bumpy stuff. If you zoom in on this photo you can see how it looks: http://flickr.com/photos/natan/5374690588/ -nathan On Mar 24, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 24, 8:58 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: However, I've done some more looking around and found this .. . which looks like it might work. it really depends on how picky you are. that run-over-gingerbread man thing might work, but putting a loaded bag on your handlebars can seriously affect handling. the idea is to keep the bag low and stable. i think the mark's rack, coupled with either the Acorn straps or a decaleur would be a better option. The VO stem mount decaleur with a small rack works well - and that decaleur can be cut/bent to semi-custom fit your set-up (see below picture), so that helps. The second picture-link below shows difference in bag size i noted above - you can see the berthoud bag on Weigle's bike is smaller than the full size berthoud on my bike. Again, it's kind of a personal thing - I don't like a lot (i.e., any) bag sway with a loaded front bag. some folks are more tolerant. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267176@N02/5269320951/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267176@N02/4917979762/in/set-72157622654401429/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:33, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to the added benefit of a decaleur with the Acorn rando bag. I'd used the bag without a decaleur on a Mark's Rack before, but on a subsequent bike build I opted to go for Nitto M-13 + VO threaded decaleur. I was surprised at how much more stable and solid the bag felt with the addition of the decaleur. A lot less sway, especially when riding over bumpy stuff. I agree, a decaleur does a ton of good. I have a homemade quick-release decaleur for my Acorn bag: http://appleblock.blogspot.com/2010/09/qr-lever-added-to-prototype-decaleur.html James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 12:06 -0700, William wrote: While the Berthoud looks very stable, I don't like the paperclip as cotter pin. For that price, it should be something more substantial. Please! Mine came with a safety pin, not a paperclip ;) But seriously, if you think something stronger is required there, then I suspect you haven't used one. There's no force trying to pull that foot long stainless retention bar out. All that's needed is something to keep it from wiggling itself out, which in my estimation will never happen, even if I tossed the safety pin in the trash. If I do that youtube, I'll include a comment about that. I don't like standard paper clips because they don't last long enough. I use a circular Clipiola paperclip. http://volcanoarts.com/cart/accessories/clipiola.jpg I finally had one fail, after a year of use. As to the rod wiggling out w/o a cotter pin, yes it will. It happened to me on Bike Virginia. Not enough so that the rod came all the way out, but it did wiggle itself out about a cm or so. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 13:39 -0700, Patrick in VT wrote: On Mar 24, 3:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure lots of folks feel the VO is 'just as good' as the Berthoud for less than 1/3 the price, just like lots of folks feel that a Surly LHT is just as good as a Rivendell Atlantis. i hear 'ya - but the Riv/Surly thing is kind of a false comparison. the Berthoud/VO decaleurs are completely different designs. at the end of the day, a decaleur is simply a bag mount - it just needs to hold the bag in place. the plug style decaleur is more than adequate in that respect and it's (i) more convenient to use (in general, and especially if one uses the bag on multiple bikes); (ii) less obtrusive when a bag isn't mounted; and (iii) in the case of the VO decaleur, easy to install and able to be custom fit to a certain extent. All that is true -- but for me, the big question is what type of headset does the bike have. I like the VO threadless decaleur. It's widely available, inexpensive, and it works great. The only alternatives for threadless are either custom decaleurs (including DIY) or a custom modification of the Berthoud. But to me, the VO design for threaded is not nearly as attractive, or as adaptable as the Berthoud. Yes, the Berthoud costs more, but for me, for traditional stems the Berthoud is the better answer -- even if it is a bit fiddly to mount the bag. my custom decaleur, which was at least as expensive as the berthoud, has zero advantage over the VO mount other than looking rad and i'm able to install/uninstall in a hurry if i had the notion. again, it's only job is to hold the bag - one can pay a lot or comparatively little or nothing at all . .. i've seen a lot of homebrew decaleurs that work great. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
