Re: [RBW] Reasonably priced rust-resistant chain?

2015-03-30 Thread Tim Gavin
I recently bought some dynamos and lights from a German bike web site, and
they have Connex chains for decent prices (10SX for $30
http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/wippermann-connex-10sx-chain-10-speed-nickel%2C-stainless-steel-32867).
 $23 flat shipping to the US, so I stocked up on a lot of stuff at once.

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Re: [RBW] Reasonably priced rust-resistant chain?

2015-03-27 Thread Eric Norris
I haven’t used on of these, but I’m generally suspicious of anti-friction 
coatings on chains and chainrings. Campagnolo started adding a coating to their 
chainrings a few years ago, and it was widely reported to wear off quickly.

I properly lubricated chain should be able to resist corrosion well enough. 
They all wear out at about the same rate, in my experience.

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 On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Anyone tried one of these?
 
 http://kmcchain.us/chain/x9ept-eco-proteq/ 
 http://kmcchain.us/chain/x9ept-eco-proteq/
 
 Claims to withstand 650 hours of salt spray.  Which, is about what my chains 
 have to deal with because I sweat on the chain and front derailer quite a 
 lot, living in Austin, Texas, in the summertime.  Some might say the surface 
 rust is harmless but I don't care for the rusty chain aesthetic.
 
 This particular more than the standard 9 speed XMC X9.93 or SRAM 951 chains 
 that I normally use, but not exorbitantly so.  Found online starting at $23 
 through a Google Shopping search.
 
 There is also the Wippermann stainless, but those things are pretty dear, 
 even online.  This seems more reasonable.  That is, if it works.
 
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Re: [RBW] Reasonably priced rust-resistant chain?

2015-03-27 Thread Jim Bronson
My reading of the site indicates the coating is for rust protection, not
anti-friction.

It's only $10 more than a regular KMC chain, I'll try one out when I run
out of my current supply.
On Mar 27, 2015 11:20 AM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:

 I haven’t used on of these, but I’m generally suspicious of anti-friction
 coatings on chains and chainrings. Campagnolo started adding a coating to
 their chainrings a few years ago, and it was widely reported to wear off
 quickly.

 I properly lubricated chain should be able to resist corrosion well
 enough. They all wear out at about the same rate, in my experience.

 --Eric N
 campyonly...@me.com
 www.CampyOnly.com
 Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
 @Campyonlyguy


 On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone tried one of these?

 http://kmcchain.us/chain/x9ept-eco-proteq/

 Claims to withstand 650 hours of salt spray.  Which, is about what my
 chains have to deal with because I sweat on the chain and front derailer
 quite a lot, living in Austin, Texas, in the summertime.  Some might say
 the surface rust is harmless but I don't care for the rusty chain aesthetic.

 This particular more than the standard 9 speed XMC X9.93 or SRAM 951
 chains that I normally use, but not exorbitantly so.  Found online starting
 at $23 through a Google Shopping search.

 There is also the Wippermann stainless, but those things are pretty dear,
 even online.  This seems more reasonable.  That is, if it works.

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Re: [RBW] Reasonably priced rust-resistant chain?

2015-03-27 Thread Bill Lindsay
My daughter did her 5th grade science project on rust proofed bike chains. 
 We bought her a bunch of new chains (including a Wipperman) and cut them 
into lengths for her to do all kinds of mean things to them.  The coated 
4NRTH brand did pretty well.  The Wipperman was also excellent.  The worst 
stuff we came up with was a mix of peroxide, salt and vinegar.  I've still 
never ridden with a Wipperman.  For some reason I was able to make myself 
pay for it for a school project, but can't pull the trigger for riding.  

On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 2:34:21 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 My reading of the site indicates the coating is for rust protection, not 
 anti-friction.

 It's only $10 more than a regular KMC chain, I'll try one out when I run 
 out of my current supply.
 On Mar 27, 2015 11:20 AM, Eric Norris campyo...@me.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 I haven’t used on of these, but I’m generally suspicious of anti-friction 
 coatings on chains and chainrings. Campagnolo started adding a coating to 
 their chainrings a few years ago, and it was widely reported to wear off 
 quickly.

 I properly lubricated chain should be able to resist corrosion well 
 enough. They all wear out at about the same rate, in my experience.

 --Eric N
 campyo...@me.com javascript:
 www.CampyOnly.com
 Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
 @Campyonlyguy

  
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Jim Bronson jim.b...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Anyone tried one of these?

 http://kmcchain.us/chain/x9ept-eco-proteq/

 Claims to withstand 650 hours of salt spray.  Which, is about what my 
 chains have to deal with because I sweat on the chain and front derailer 
 quite a lot, living in Austin, Texas, in the summertime.  Some might say 
 the surface rust is harmless but I don't care for the rusty chain aesthetic.

 This particular more than the standard 9 speed XMC X9.93 or SRAM 951 
 chains that I normally use, but not exorbitantly so.  Found online starting 
 at $23 through a Google Shopping search.

 There is also the Wippermann stainless, but those things are pretty dear, 
 even online.  This seems more reasonable.  That is, if it works.

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Re: [RBW] Reasonably priced rust-resistant chain?

2015-03-27 Thread dougP
Bill:

For some reason I was able to make myself pay for it for a school project, 
but can't pull the trigger for riding.  

You've got your priorities straight.  An admirable school project, focusing 
on a single problem (corrosion).  Bike drivetrains have a lot more going on 
that can also cause wear, i.e.,  lubrication, cleanliness, riding 
environment, etc.  A highly corrosion resistant chain may not outlast a 
less resistant one if for instance lubrication  cleanliness control life.  
I've never even thought about corrosion but I don't live where they salt 
the roads.  Heck, it doesn't even rain enough around here.

Peroxide, salt  vinegar.  That sounds pretty nasty without thinking 
about the chemical reactions.  That's must have been a fun project for 
her.  

dougP

On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 4:28:00 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 My daughter did her 5th grade science project on rust proofed bike chains. 
  We bought her a bunch of new chains (including a Wipperman) and cut them 
 into lengths for her to do all kinds of mean things to them.  The coated 
 4NRTH brand did pretty well.  The Wipperman was also excellent.  The worst 
 stuff we came up with was a mix of peroxide, salt and vinegar.  I've still 
 never ridden with a Wipperman.  For some reason I was able to make myself 
 pay for it for a school project, but can't pull the trigger for riding.  

 On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 2:34:21 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 My reading of the site indicates the coating is for rust protection, not 
 anti-friction.

 It's only $10 more than a regular KMC chain, I'll try one out when I run 
 out of my current supply.
 On Mar 27, 2015 11:20 AM, Eric Norris campyo...@me.com wrote:

 I haven’t used on of these, but I’m generally suspicious of 
 anti-friction coatings on chains and chainrings. Campagnolo started adding 
 a coating to their chainrings a few years ago, and it was widely reported 
 to wear off quickly.

 I properly lubricated chain should be able to resist corrosion well 
 enough. They all wear out at about the same rate, in my experience.

 --Eric N
 campyo...@me.com
 www.CampyOnly.com
 Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
 @Campyonlyguy

  
 On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Jim Bronson jim.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone tried one of these?

 http://kmcchain.us/chain/x9ept-eco-proteq/

 Claims to withstand 650 hours of salt spray.  Which, is about what my 
 chains have to deal with because I sweat on the chain and front derailer 
 quite a lot, living in Austin, Texas, in the summertime.  Some might say 
 the surface rust is harmless but I don't care for the rusty chain aesthetic.

 This particular more than the standard 9 speed XMC X9.93 or SRAM 951 
 chains that I normally use, but not exorbitantly so.  Found online starting 
 at $23 through a Google Shopping search.

 There is also the Wippermann stainless, but those things are pretty 
 dear, even online.  This seems more reasonable.  That is, if it works.

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Re: [RBW] Reasonably priced rust-resistant chain?

2015-03-27 Thread Benz, Sunnyvale, CA
On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 4:28:00 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 ...The worst stuff we came up with was a mix of peroxide, salt and 
 vinegar


Chlorides under acidic condition is very corrosive. Enough to corrode even 
316L stainless steel in fact.

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