[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Dave Small]

Thanks, Dave and iamkeith.  I'll do some cipherin' and figure out what I 
would need.  

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Matt Beecher]

Just email them...or hope Grant reads this post. If that 55 fits me (PBH 87), 
I’ll finally get my 650B new Atlantis to go with my Atlantis Classic. 

That said, I emailed them on Friday and I’m eagerly awaiting their response. 

Matt B
Oswego, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[David Johnston]

As Keith points out standover heights are listed so you can also do
PBH - 2.54 = standover as a starting point. That is to say the
Standover should be 1in less than PBH (1 in crotch clearance in bare
feet).

You can fudge 1 cm larger since you are wearing shoes which lifts you
up, and 3cm maybe 4cm smaller on the 6deg frames. For skinny tires and
road use go for the bigger end and for the fattest tires and off road
use lean smaller. Bigger bikes ride more stable / smoother, may have
less toe overlap (depends on tire size), and it's easier to get the
bars higher so can be more comfortable as well.

Ignore the actual frame size in cm, since it doesn't correlate to
non-Riv sizing, classic Riv bikes, or anything you rode in the 70's.
Unless of course you rode a bike way to small in the 70's & 80's like
many people did in which case it might be the same.

If I'm between sizes I also take top tube length into account when
using drops, but it doesn't matter much at all for sweep back bars.

-Dave


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> would need.
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[RBW] Re: Quick & cheap solution to clear the front derailleur clamp to mount a bottle cage

[ascpgh]

I don't know if brass threads are up to the load? The cage is fastened to 
the standoff by a screw that cannot extend into the frame braze-on so each 
traditional bottle cage connection becomes a chain of two brass to steel 
threaded connections.

I'll stick with longer M5 cap bolts and spacer ferrules, like this: 
http://www.jensonusa.com/Problem-Solvers-Spaceout-Cage-Spacers-Silver-6mm?pt_source=googleads&pt_medium=cpc&pt_campaign=shopping_us&pt_keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjw-6bWBRBiEiwA_K1ZDeMKTxHCwIIACxmK2viGwNxNBq8316CvVoH3ZIPkwPKp9SvB6v1qrRoCgtoQAvD_BwE
 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 10:26:40 PM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> If one really wants to be fancy, one can buy some brass standoffs with M5 
> male and female threads. I got a handful off eBay 
>  (<- not an endorsement, but a 
> sample) one time for a few bucks shipped. A small collection of these in 
> various lengths are quite useful for spacing that perfect fender line, as 
> well as spacing out that bottle cage. I've been known to grind almost the 
> entire length, from its hexagonal cross-section to circular (leaving just a 
> bit to tighten the standoff), and polish the entire thing for effect. 
> Certainly, these go well with brass ferrules and bells, especially as they 
> acquire a bit of patina. (*insert Leica brassing fetish comments here*)
>
> Speaking of bottle cages, there are two kinds of design you can buy. I 
> tend to categorize them into the "Ciussi 
> "
>  
> kind that has a 1-piece attachment, and the "King 
> " kind that 
> has a 2-piece attachment. The King cages tend to impose less restriction on 
> where one can mount the front derailer clamp, especially if said clamp is 
> thinnish and no clamp shim is used.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 1:37:00 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>> In a pinch one could also use valve stem nuts.  Inside diameter is good 
>> and they are decent thickness.  Can 'stack' them for rack mounting off-sets 
>> at fork braze-on too.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>>>
>>> I wish Riv, and other companies, would ship their bikes with longer 
>>> bottle cage bolts and spacers to enable one to mount a cage (or whatever) 
>>> so it will clear/span the front derailleur clamp.  (They do know it's 
>>> there...).  And, to be fair, maybe all bottle cage manufacturers could 
>>> design cages with mounting tabs that would stick out enough to clear 
>>> derailleur clamps :)  Anyway, my Velo Orange "Retro" bottle cage has a 
>>> perfectly flat mounting area, so I needed a solution.
>>>
>>> I saw that Problem Solvers provides a bolt+spacer solution ... so 
>>> obviously this is common enough to warrant some company selling a 
>>> work-around.  As I thought it might be over-priced, but more importantly 
>>> because I wanted to get on with it and ride, my solution was to:
>>> - Go to Performance Bike 10 min away and get two M5 x 0.8 x 20mm socket 
>>> head stainless bolts (free ... they had a jillion in a plastic jug of diff 
>>> lengths)
>>> - Go to Home Depot 5 min from there and get two packs of four M5 
>>> stainless flat washers (a little over $1 for both packs total).  They had 
>>> no suitable 4mm-ish spacers
>>> - Stack 4 washers behind each mounting hole in the the bottle cage so as 
>>> to space it out and just clear the protruding derailleur clamp
>>>
>>> Including the driving and looking for stuff, I was good to go in about 
>>> 45 min from initial head-scratching.  From 5 feet away, you have to look 
>>> really hard to discern the diff between washers and single spacer.  Of 
>>> course the bottle hides everything when it's in the cage.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm sure others have some up with similar solutions.  This is my 
>>> quick, cheap solution - hope it helps somebody.  I probably need to look 
>>> for a bike-oriented metric fastener|washer|spacer "kit" somewhere.  I tend 
>>> not to need anything metric except for bikes, so I haven't built up a bin 
>>> full of this stuff yet.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Quick & cheap solution to clear the front derailleur clamp to mount a bottle cage

[Dave Johnston]

I use presta tube nuts or Aluminum spacers I get in the nut and bolt 
section of True Value Hardware. My local true value has stainless steel cap 
screws in M4, M5, M6 sizes in the common bicycle lengths as well. Although 
for the load bearing bolts on racks, seatpost, stem you should use 
non-stainless of excellent quality for the higher strength.

-Dave

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 11:03:20 AM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> I wish Riv, and other companies, would ship their bikes with longer bottle 
> cage bolts and spacers to enable one to mount a cage (or whatever) so it 
> will clear/span the front derailleur clamp.  (They do know it's there...).  
> And, to be fair, maybe all bottle cage manufacturers could design cages 
> with mounting tabs that would stick out enough to clear derailleur clamps 
> :)  Anyway, my Velo Orange "Retro" bottle cage has a perfectly flat 
> mounting area, so I needed a solution.
>
> I saw that Problem Solvers provides a bolt+spacer solution ... so 
> obviously this is common enough to warrant some company selling a 
> work-around.  As I thought it might be over-priced, but more importantly 
> because I wanted to get on with it and ride, my solution was to:
> - Go to Performance Bike 10 min away and get two M5 x 0.8 x 20mm socket 
> head stainless bolts (free ... they had a jillion in a plastic jug of diff 
> lengths)
> - Go to Home Depot 5 min from there and get two packs of four M5 stainless 
> flat washers (a little over $1 for both packs total).  They had no suitable 
> 4mm-ish spacers
> - Stack 4 washers behind each mounting hole in the the bottle cage so as 
> to space it out and just clear the protruding derailleur clamp
>
> Including the driving and looking for stuff, I was good to go in about 45 
> min from initial head-scratching.  From 5 feet away, you have to look 
> really hard to discern the diff between washers and single spacer.  Of 
> course the bottle hides everything when it's in the cage.
>
>
> 
>
>
> Anyway, I'm sure others have some up with similar solutions.  This is my 
> quick, cheap solution - hope it helps somebody.  I probably need to look 
> for a bike-oriented metric fastener|washer|spacer "kit" somewhere.  I tend 
> not to need anything metric except for bikes, so I haven't built up a bin 
> full of this stuff yet.
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Question re: Silver Shifters

[Surlyprof]

I just installed a new set of Silver shifters on my Albastache bar ends.  What 
I couldn’t figure out was the orientation of the tab on the large washer with 
the big square hole.  Where should the tab end up when installed?

Thanks.
John

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[ctifusion]

Is there info on exact tire sizes for the different sizes? I'm between the 
59 and 62. I like fat tires so I think I'm comfortable with the 59 which is 
exciting as the recent sizing has not made me feel like there was a bike 
out there that'd really fit. I'd prefer that they did fat 650b all the way 
up the sizes but if I'm in the market for anything it's a fast-ish all-road 
drop bar bike. Double top tube in the original Altantis color? COOL!

This is the most excited I've been about a new Riv in a while. Anyone 
interested in a 59cm 2004 Quickbeam??  

Brynnar
Indy



On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 8:13:25 AM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> As Keith points out standover heights are listed so you can also do 
> PBH - 2.54 = standover as a starting point. That is to say the 
> Standover should be 1in less than PBH (1 in crotch clearance in bare 
> feet). 
>
> You can fudge 1 cm larger since you are wearing shoes which lifts you 
> up, and 3cm maybe 4cm smaller on the 6deg frames. For skinny tires and 
> road use go for the bigger end and for the fattest tires and off road 
> use lean smaller. Bigger bikes ride more stable / smoother, may have 
> less toe overlap (depends on tire size), and it's easier to get the 
> bars higher so can be more comfortable as well. 
>
> Ignore the actual frame size in cm, since it doesn't correlate to 
> non-Riv sizing, classic Riv bikes, or anything you rode in the 70's. 
> Unless of course you rode a bike way to small in the 70's & 80's like 
> many people did in which case it might be the same. 
>
> If I'm between sizes I also take top tube length into account when 
> using drops, but it doesn't matter much at all for sweep back bars. 
>
> -Dave 
>
>
> On 4/8/18, Dave Small > wrote: 
> > Thanks, Dave and iamkeith.  I'll do some cipherin' and figure out what I 
> > would need. 
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[RBW] Question re: Silver Shifters

[Surlyprof]

I just installed a new set of Silver shifters on my Albastache bar ends.  What 
I couldn’t figure out was the orientation of the tab on the large washer with 
the big square hole.  Where should the tab end up when installed?  They did 
sell me downtube shifters.  Is that a limiting stop that I can just grind off?

Thanks. 
John

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[RBW] Re: Question re: Silver Shifters

[Belopsky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9P4Xu5tr2Q

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[RBW] Question re: Silver Shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

When you mount Silver Down Tube shifters on barconn pods, the washer with the 
square hole should have no tab at all. Either file yours off or buy/acquire a 
pair of washers without the tabs. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca 

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[RBW] Re: Question re: Silver Shifters

[Belopsky]

Oh, interesting Bill, thanks - I mounted mine w the tab and they seem to be 
fine, I guess less pull with the tab

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[RBW] FS(probably) 50cm Rivendell Cheviot - $2000 shipped

[Belopsky]

Starting it at $2000
https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33731902494/in/dateposted-public/

I'd rather not ship it with the basket since it takes up so much room but I 
suppose you can have it.

The rack is a modified VO one and has strut for a light

Nitto Pearl 9 stem
North Road bars
3x8 Sugino crankset
Shimano Sora FD
Shimano Altus RD
Soma GR tires I think
Velocity hubs, Atlas rims
Seat not included or will be a B67.

Pedals are some sort of silver platforms, not the MKS shown

Price is shipped. Make an offer.

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[RBW] Re: Question re: Silver Shifters

[Surlyprof]

They work fine but are annoying on the hand.  When I bought them, they only 
had the downtube sets available in stock.  I assume that tab is some sort 
of stop for downtube installations.  I'll be grinding them off.  Just 
wanted to confirm that it wouldn't screw them up.  Thanks for the 
confirmation, Bill.

John

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 9:51:11 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Oh, interesting Bill, thanks - I mounted mine w the tab and they seem to 
> be fine, I guess less pull with the tab
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Dave Small]

Hi Dave,

That's what I do, too.  My PBH is 88cm.  Extrapolating from the Appaloosa: 
 Based on predicted standover height I might take a 59cm, but then the TT 
would probably be too long and it would have a double TT, which I don't 
want.  The standover on a 56cm is a little lower than I have with most 
Rivs, but the predicted TT would be in line with what I'm used to and know 
I like.  The key words in those 2 sentences are "predicted," "probably," 
and "might."  

I'll call Riv.  I don't want to base a sizing decision on speculation, and 
I've come to trust their opinion as much as---and sometimes even more 
than---my own.  

Dave

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 8:13:25 AM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> As Keith points out standover heights are listed so you can also do 
> PBH - 2.54 = standover as a starting point. That is to say the 
> Standover should be 1in less than PBH (1 in crotch clearance in bare 
> feet).
>
> If I'm between sizes I also take top tube length into account when 
> using drops
>

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[RBW] Atlantis ~ 1999

[DarinM]

That is awesome, love the tire choice. Are those standard Riv/Nitto moustache 
bars?

Darin

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Hunqapillar complete [sold]

[scott minor]

Thank you, Bob, for the good wishes.  

The Hunq is now SOLD and will find its new home back in CA.  

thanks all,  -Scott

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[RBW] Atlantis ~ 1999

[Joe Bernard]

Love the green tires. Blingey!

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis ~ 1999

[Peter Adler]

Michelin did the same color in 700x30: the first-gen all-green Michelin 
CycloCross Mud. Vittoria had a similar green/skinwall CX tire: the 700x27 
Vittoria Competition Tigre, which is more of a grass track/path racer tire.

Peter "I'd love to mount my green tires on a chartreuse '73 Raleigh 
International, for the Kermit effect" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:50:54 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Love the green tires. Blingey!

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis ~ 1999

[David Hays]

What are those tires? That is one beautiful bike.
David


> On Apr 7, 2018, at 4:17 PM, frankie garcia  wrote:
> 
> Happy second owner of this beaut. Adding berthoud saddle and dirt drops soon. 
> Can’t wait. 
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[RBW] Re: Something Simple This Way Comes...

[tc]

I finally found time to finish up my interpretation of the SimpleOne as a 
'relaxed' path racer.  I've always liked that green, and the path racer 
look similar to the Pashley Speed 5.  When list member Ben offered his for 
sale, I bought it and set to work.  Other commitments got in the way of fun 
things like this -- but finally, today, I got a 14 mile greenway ride in 
and had a ball.

Thanks to Ben for providing such a beaut of a bike for me to start with!

Pic's here:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/z17FNiW0tL1MRe0M2

Tom 

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[RBW] Re: Something Simple This Way Comes...

[Tony DeFilippo]

That green is perfect, I love the path racer interpretation!  Very classy 
looking bike and build.

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis ~ 1999

[Peter Adler]

Michelin WildGrippers - 26" x 2, or thereabouts.

Peter "a modest collector of green tires" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 3:13:58 PM UTC-7, David Hays wrote:
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> What are those tires? That is one beautiful bike. 
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[RBW] FS 55cm Sam Hillborne

[Mike OShea]

Selling my Blue Rivendell Sam Hillborne, 55 cm. In very good condition. 
Purchased from Rivendell 2015, it has 733 miles. Used only once in last 
year hence reason for selling. Stock build (no pedals) except changed 
handlebar to a drop bar (Technonics). WTB Saddle. Original Albatros cockpit 
included (minus cables). Also included with sale, front and rear Nitto 
Racks. (cost over $300.00) The only thing that needs attention is my poorly 
taped drop bars and grips. Bike has minor scrapes and scratches, some 
missing paint at dropouts. Bike never crashed or dropped. Selling for less 
than half price. $1750.00, plus $125.00 shipping lower 48. Will use Bike 
Flights. Paypal preferred. Located in Bozeman, Montana.

See link for more pics:

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[RBW] Re: Something Simple This Way Comes...

[Deacon Patrick]

Brilliant, Tom! Are those upside down Albatross bars I spy with me wee eye? 
I’ve pondered that setup for my bike(s) as well. Great interpretation of a path 
racer. Love it!

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[RBW] How hearty/quiet Honjo Fenders?

[Deacon Patrick]

I’m contemplating hammered Honjo Fenders on my Quickbeam for all the wet and 
slop, but, as my periodic fender posts attest, fender noise, heartiness for my 
trail riding, and challenges with knobbies make the entire equation iffy, which 
is why I’ve avoided the $132 expenditure trying everything else first.

Thoughts from folks riding Honjo fenders on rough stuff and/or with knobbies on 
how hearty and quiet and sturdy they are, especially in comparison to SKS 
plastic?

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Patrick

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[RBW] How hearty/quiet Honjo Fenders?

[Tony DeFilippo]

I can't answer for honjo's, but berthoud stainless are rock solid and quiet for 
me over 2+ years of use.  I'm sure your off-road use will stress any fender set 
up. But the difference between SKS and Berthoud was night and day for me.

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[RBW] Roadini sighting in San Antonio

[Ron Mc]

Saw a pretty new grey Roadini today at 2 Bros BBQ.  
Was chasing my friends on their Santanna tandem along Walker Ranch 
greenway  
Ridden past this sweet-smelling place for years - a dirt trail from the 
greenway goes right into their parking lot.  
We rode there today from their house with the intention to stop for lunch.  
The gentleman on the Roadini was accompanied by a friend on a Bridgestone 
XO-2 in fine condition.  
The food was great, too . 

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[RBW] FS 55cm Sam Hillborne

[Doug Bloch]

Sigh... this is my dream bike. 

Doug
Alameda CA USA

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[RBW] Re: 2 frames for sale

[Rich Lesnik]

Both frames are spoken for. Thanks, everyone! -- Rich

On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, Rich Lesnik wrote:
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> FS: 54cm  "Original" Panasonic green Quickbeam frame/fork/HS. No 
> decals, assorted nicks and scratches. Rides great. $300 plus Rivendell 
> shipping charge 
>
> FS: 55cm Toyo-built original blue A Homer Hilsen, frame/fork/HS. Takes 
> 700c wheels. $800 plus Rivendell shipping charge. 
>
> Photos on request. 
>
> Rich Lesnik 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 55cm Sam Hillborne

[Drw]

buying one dream bike can be cheaper than buying many close-to-dream bikes, 
in the long run. just saying. 

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[RBW] Re: Something Simple This Way Comes...

[Joe Bernard]

That's sooo pretty with the White Ind. cranks and vintage-look bottle. Nice!

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis ~ 1999

[Eric Karnes]

That is amazing with the green tires! Nice work.

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> Happy second owner of this beaut. Adding berthoud saddle and dirt drops 
> soon. Can’t wait. 

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Re: [RBW] How hearty/quiet Honjo Fenders?

[Patrick Moore]

I *think* that the Honjos -- perhaps other aluminum fenders, too? -- are
more prone to cracking if they are improperly installed with stress at
attachment points. I base this on a sample of 1 pair of Honjos that cracked
at the brake bridge -- I've owned at least 1 other pair of Honjos, at least
2 other pairs of alum fenders, and 2 prs of Berthouds, as well as any
number of plastic fenders, of all makes -- so take this suggestion with
caution.

I do think that SKS and PB fenders are less prone to breaking at stress
points; at any rate, I've installed any number of these sloppily and never
had a pair break. And I don't know about others, but I do have to be
careful not to dent my Berthouds.

And FWIW again, I've never found well-attached SKS or PB fenders unduly
rattly or flexy even on rough ground, and would probably choose one of
these makes for the Matthews if I put fenders on it again because I know I
can kick and bash these around without damaging them. (It had PB Cascadias
on it until I installed Big Ones, which are too fat to put fenders over and
avoid excessive (*) toe overlap.

* I tolerated toe overlap with the Cascadias over the 51 mm Furious Freds,
but the BOs are 1 cm wider. TCO is tolerable with the BOs if sans fenders.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I’m contemplating hammered Honjo Fenders on my Quickbeam for all the wet
> and slop, but, as my periodic fender posts attest, fender noise, heartiness
> for my trail riding, and challenges with knobbies make the entire equation
> iffy, which is why I’ve avoided the $132 expenditure trying everything else
> first.
>
> Thoughts from folks riding Honjo fenders on rough stuff and/or with
> knobbies on how hearty and quiet and sturdy they are, especially in
> comparison to SKS plastic?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: FS 55cm Sam Hillborne

[Mattt]

Mike,

A little bit of a thread high jack...what model WTB saddle do you have on the 
same and what is your opinion?

Thanks.
Matt

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[RBW] Re: How hearty/quiet Honjo Fenders?

[Surlyprof]

When I acquired my Hillborne, it had Honjo Hammered fenders.  I found them 
to be very sturdy and beautiful but the noise drove me batty.  They didn't 
have enough clearance for my Smart Sam knobbies but looked sharp with 
Barlow Pass ELs.  I ended up giving them to Evan E. on the list.  He used 
them to beautify one of his classic bikes.  I replaced them with a pair of 
SKS plastics Riv sold.  Not as pretty but also not as loud on all the 
gravel trails I need to ride.

John

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 3:59:42 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I’m contemplating hammered Honjo Fenders on my Quickbeam for all the wet 
> and slop, but, as my periodic fender posts attest, fender noise, heartiness 
> for my trail riding, and challenges with knobbies make the entire equation 
> iffy, which is why I’ve avoided the $132 expenditure trying everything else 
> first. 
>
> Thoughts from folks riding Honjo fenders on rough stuff and/or with 
> knobbies on how hearty and quiet and sturdy they are, especially in 
> comparison to SKS plastic? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.CredoFamily.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] FS: Dos Enos 16/18, Carradice, Wool

[Jonathan D.]

I am selling several items that I think might be of interest on the list. If a 
clothing item is of interest let me know. I have a couple of jackets listed as 
well. Please feel free to ask questions and for more details. 

White Industries 2 speed freewheel (DOS ENO 16t/18t) $65 shipped

Carradice bike bureau single pannier - $100 shipped.I like this bag but now 
just use the Sackville Saddlebag. 

Showers Pass Transit Backback. $130 shipped

Randijo XL Hat $40 shipped

Ibex Blue Shak Vest Large$50
Shipped

Icebreaker Sierra Hoody Plus XL. Has a softshell hood and protection. Great 
wool combo piece. Retailed at $250. $85 shipped. 

Arcteryx Jacket. Plenty of life in this one. Want it to be used. 

Icebreaker size large sweat shirts. Let me know if you any interest. I’ll try 
to list out the items soon but I have a lot of wool items. 

For Sale Jonathan:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0Z5ON9t3sbptS

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[RBW] Re: How hearty/quiet Honjo Fenders?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Knobbies + fenders + offroad.
Is that safe?

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[RBW] FS 55cm Sam Hillborne

[Joe Bernard]

Doug: Don't hesitate too long if this really is your dream bike. It's easy on 
this forum to get the impression there are Rivs everywhere, but the reality is 
finding a used one in your size in a discontinued color can get pretty 
difficult pretty quick. Sub-$2k for a dream bike is a deal. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How hearty/quiet Honjo Fenders?

[Patrick Moore]

That combination may be one more reason for using SKS fenders, with the QR
attachments. OTOH, sticks can still jam your wheel even without fenders --
I recall my brother doing a very slow and elegant front wheelie -- he
avoided the face plant -- when a stick stopped his front wheel on one of
our bosque trails; and his bike was shod with a Soma Cazadero tire with
minimal tread. I myself pay very careful attention when riding near sticks,
even with the un-fendered, practically treadless Big Ones.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 11:29 PM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Knobbies + fenders + offroad.
> Is that safe?
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