Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-11 Thread Frank Pittelli
Nice little device (provided it can be found at a reasonable price) that 
eliminates a couple of hassles associated with mounting sprockets on shafts.


On 8/10/2013 10:25 PM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:

Isaac,

When I had a set of EV Warrior motors, I bought some Fenner Trantorque
keyless bushings to mount my drive sprockets to the 8mm shaft.  The
5/16" version actually is well within tolerance for use with an 8mm
shaft.  The keyless bushings don't mar the shaft at all or require any
thing going through the shaft.  I found mine on Ebay for like $5/per
bushing, but they are normally like $20/per if bought at retail price.
  I do have some left over that are still in the factory packaging if
you want to give them a shot.  I'd let them go for what I paid plus
shipping.

The issue of using the 8mm bushing from Fenner as opposed the the 5/16"
bushing is that you would then need metric sprockets which are hard to
find to fit over the 8mm keyless bushing.  The keyless bushings cinch
down on the shaft while pushing out on the sprocket mounted over them.
  No keyway or set screws are used.  Using the standard 5/16" size on
the 8mm shaft means that normal standard bore sprockets can be used (in
this case 3/4").  I got lucky and found some small 3/4" bore sprockets
(like 10 tooth and no hub) in standard 35 pitch that fit right over
them.  I sold the motors, connector pigtails, EV mounts, sprockets, a
set of bushings, and the sprockets to someone here on the list a while
back because I didn't want to deal with creating a reduction for them.
  Here's what the keyless bushings look like:

http://www.fennerdrives.com/trantorque/?s=ZnwyMzE4

I use them for my drive sprockets to mount the 60 pitch sprockets to my
5/8" main drive shafts.  You can see the gold colored keyless bushings
on the rear drive axles (of course those are much larger than the ones I
used on my EV Warrior motors):




On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:02 AM, isaac goldman mailto:panthergol...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks for the advice; I really appreciate that you took the time to
type all that up.

Much of it confirms what i already thought or had read on-line, or
that i already learned the hard way in various other robotics
competitions. Good to know im on the right track.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:47 AM, TyngTech mailto:steve...@gmail.com>> wrote:

As the first and only current operator of a 24v EVW drive system
in the hobby, I say welcome to the family but be warned!  EVW's
at 24 volts are special beasts that will require a resolute
nature and unfailing faith in your technical prowess to tame!

Steve Tyng


Advice in no particular order:

* These motors are timed CW or CCW.  Have a matched set or
  re-time as required: http://redneckrobots.com/ev/mod.htm
* Remove the internal case grounding and add suppression
  caps:
  http://www.robot-village.net/images/vi/build/debil.jpg
  http://www.robot-village.net/images/vi/build/dremeltab.jpg
* Review the T040 Cromwell build log:
  http://rctankcombat.com/tanks/T040/index.cgi
* If you can get them, use the OEM harnesses to wire to your
  controller.
* Use the same gauge as the OEM for battery to controller.
* Build STRONG motor mounts
* Build a STRONGER transmission
* You will need a PWM controller.  Don't even think of using
  the old style on/off TriPact controllers
* A single 80A fuse before the controller has worked well
  for me going on 8 years
* Motor shafts are 8mm, buy an 8mm bit to bore your motor
  sprockets.  Use a lathe for boring if you can
* You will need effective air flow over the motors for cooling
* A 9:1 reduction will get you over 8MPH but limited run
  time on a set of 18AH SLA's.
* A 11:1 reduction gets you 6 to 7MPH with an hours run time
  on fresh SLA's
* Using only setscrews on a round (or slightly flattened
  shaft) will fail.  Keyed shafts, cross pins, etc. highly
  recommended in your drive-train design
* At workable reductions, these motors will shred your
  drive-train before they stall

Good luck!







On Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:50:57 PM UTC-4, True North
Armouries wrote:

Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at
the stage of mounting them in the tank. I have a few
questions concerning EV motors though for people who know
about them. Im planning to run them off 24 volts.

Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people
use, as the datasheet claims a stall current of over 100
amps. Id like to know how many Ah the batteries should be

Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-10 Thread Derek Engelhaupt
Forgot to mention, they can be loosened and tightened as many times as you
need to.  If the sprocket is not where you want it you simply loosen the
bushing, slide the sprocket/bushing where you want it, and tighten it back
down.  I've never had mine slip being used to hold my drive sprockets in
place and those carbon steel tracks are heavy as hell (like 20lbs each).

Derek


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Derek Engelhaupt  wrote:

> Isaac,
>
> When I had a set of EV Warrior motors, I bought some Fenner Trantorque
> keyless bushings to mount my drive sprockets to the 8mm shaft.  The 5/16"
> version actually is well within tolerance for use with an 8mm shaft.  The
> keyless bushings don't mar the shaft at all or require any thing going
> through the shaft.  I found mine on Ebay for like $5/per bushing, but they
> are normally like $20/per if bought at retail price.  I do have some left
> over that are still in the factory packaging if you want to give them a
> shot.  I'd let them go for what I paid plus shipping.
>
> The issue of using the 8mm bushing from Fenner as opposed the the 5/16"
> bushing is that you would then need metric sprockets which are hard to find
> to fit over the 8mm keyless bushing.  The keyless bushings cinch down on
> the shaft while pushing out on the sprocket mounted over them.  No keyway
> or set screws are used.  Using the standard 5/16" size on the 8mm shaft
> means that normal standard bore sprockets can be used (in this case 3/4").
>  I got lucky and found some small 3/4" bore sprockets (like 10 tooth and no
> hub) in standard 35 pitch that fit right over them.  I sold the motors,
> connector pigtails, EV mounts, sprockets, a set of bushings, and the
> sprockets to someone here on the list a while back because I didn't want to
> deal with creating a reduction for them.  Here's what the keyless bushings
> look like:
>
> http://www.fennerdrives.com/trantorque/?s=ZnwyMzE4
>
> I use them for my drive sprockets to mount the 60 pitch sprockets to my
> 5/8" main drive shafts.  You can see the gold colored keyless bushings on
> the rear drive axles (of course those are much larger than the ones I used
> on my EV Warrior motors):
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:02 AM, isaac goldman wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the advice; I really appreciate that you took the time to type
>> all that up.
>>
>> Much of it confirms what i already thought or had read on-line, or that i
>> already learned the hard way in various other robotics competitions. Good
>> to know im on the right track.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:47 AM, TyngTech  wrote:
>>
>>> As the first and only current operator of a 24v EVW drive system in the
>>> hobby, I say welcome to the family but be warned!  EVW's at 24 volts are
>>> special beasts that will require a resolute nature and unfailing faith in
>>> your technical prowess to tame!
>>>
>>> Steve Tyng
>>>
>>>
>>> Advice in no particular order:
>>>
>>>- These motors are timed CW or CCW.  Have a matched set or re-time
>>>as required: http://redneckrobots.com/ev/mod.htm
>>>- Remove the internal case grounding and add suppression caps:
>>>http://www.robot-village.net/images/vi/build/debil.jpg
>>>http://www.robot-village.net/images/vi/build/dremeltab.jpg
>>>- Review the T040 Cromwell build log:
>>>http://rctankcombat.com/tanks/T040/index.cgi
>>>- If you can get them, use the OEM harnesses to wire to your
>>>controller.
>>>- Use the same gauge as the OEM for battery to controller.
>>>- Build STRONG motor mounts
>>>- Build a STRONGER transmission
>>>- You will need a PWM controller.  Don't even think of using the old
>>>style on/off TriPact controllers
>>>- A single 80A fuse before the controller has worked well for me
>>>going on 8 years
>>>- Motor shafts are 8mm, buy an 8mm bit to bore your motor sprockets.
>>> Use a lathe for boring if you can
>>>- You will need effective air flow over the motors for cooling
>>>- A 9:1 reduction will get you over 8MPH but limited run time on a
>>>set of 18AH SLA's.
>>>- A 11:1 reduction gets you 6 to 7MPH with an hours run time on
>>>fresh SLA's
>>>- Using only setscrews on a round (or slightly flattened shaft) will
>>>fail.  Keyed shafts, cross pins, etc. highly recommended in your
>>>drive-train design
>>>- At workable reductions, these motors will shred your drive-train
>>>before they stall
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:50:57 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:

 Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the stage
 of mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV motors
 though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them off 24 
 volts.

 Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the
 datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how many
 Ah the batte

Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-10 Thread isaac goldman
Thanks for the advice; I really appreciate that you took the time to type
all that up.

Much of it confirms what i already thought or had read on-line, or that i
already learned the hard way in various other robotics competitions. Good
to know im on the right track.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:47 AM, TyngTech  wrote:

> As the first and only current operator of a 24v EVW drive system in the
> hobby, I say welcome to the family but be warned!  EVW's at 24 volts are
> special beasts that will require a resolute nature and unfailing faith in
> your technical prowess to tame!
>
> Steve Tyng
>
>
> Advice in no particular order:
>
>- These motors are timed CW or CCW.  Have a matched set or re-time as
>required: http://redneckrobots.com/ev/mod.htm
>- Remove the internal case grounding and add suppression caps:
>http://www.robot-village.net/images/vi/build/debil.jpg
>http://www.robot-village.net/images/vi/build/dremeltab.jpg
>- Review the T040 Cromwell build log:
>http://rctankcombat.com/tanks/T040/index.cgi
>- If you can get them, use the OEM harnesses to wire to your
>controller.
>- Use the same gauge as the OEM for battery to controller.
>- Build STRONG motor mounts
>- Build a STRONGER transmission
>- You will need a PWM controller.  Don't even think of using the old
>style on/off TriPact controllers
>- A single 80A fuse before the controller has worked well for me going
>on 8 years
>- Motor shafts are 8mm, buy an 8mm bit to bore your motor sprockets.
> Use a lathe for boring if you can
>- You will need effective air flow over the motors for cooling
>- A 9:1 reduction will get you over 8MPH but limited run time on a set
>of 18AH SLA's.
>- A 11:1 reduction gets you 6 to 7MPH with an hours run time on fresh
>SLA's
>- Using only setscrews on a round (or slightly flattened shaft) will
>fail.  Keyed shafts, cross pins, etc. highly recommended in your
>drive-train design
>- At workable reductions, these motors will shred your drive-train
>before they stall
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:50:57 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
>>
>> Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the stage of
>> mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV motors
>> though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them off 24 volts.
>>
>> Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the
>> datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how many
>> Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring harness or do
>> the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive been
>>> doing research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to take a moment
>>> to thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really grateful to
>>> not have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.
>>>
>>> Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you seem to
>>> have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have done a fair bit
>>> of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have no idea how
>>> many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 350 watt 24 volt
>>> scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know what you guys think,
>>> seeing as some of you have far more experience. Is 350 watts per track
>>> enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and i should look for at least
>>> 500-600 watts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>>
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[TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-10 Thread TyngTech
As the first and only current operator of a 24v EVW drive system in the 
hobby, I say welcome to the family but be warned!  EVW's at 24 volts are 
special beasts that will require a resolute nature and unfailing faith in 
your technical prowess to tame!  

Steve Tyng


Advice in no particular order:

   - These motors are timed CW or CCW.  Have a matched set or re-time as 
   required: http://redneckrobots.com/ev/mod.htm
   - Remove the internal case grounding and add suppression caps: 
   http://www.robot-village.net/images/vi/build/debil.jpg 
   http://www.robot-village.net/images/vi/build/dremeltab.jpg
   - Review the T040 Cromwell build log: 
   http://rctankcombat.com/tanks/T040/index.cgi
   - If you can get them, use the OEM harnesses to wire to your controller.
   - Use the same gauge as the OEM for battery to controller.
   - Build STRONG motor mounts
   - Build a STRONGER transmission
   - You will need a PWM controller.  Don't even think of using the old 
   style on/off TriPact controllers 
   - A single 80A fuse before the controller has worked well for me going 
   on 8 years
   - Motor shafts are 8mm, buy an 8mm bit to bore your motor sprockets. 
Use a lathe for boring if you can
   - You will need effective air flow over the motors for cooling
   - A 9:1 reduction will get you over 8MPH but limited run time on a set 
   of 18AH SLA's.
   - A 11:1 reduction gets you 6 to 7MPH with an hours run time on fresh 
   SLA's
   - Using only setscrews on a round (or slightly flattened shaft) will 
   fail.  Keyed shafts, cross pins, etc. highly recommended in your 
   drive-train design
   - At workable reductions, these motors will shred your drive-train 
   before they stall
   
Good luck!







On Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:50:57 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
>
> Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the stage of 
> mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV motors 
> though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them off 24 volts.
>
> Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the 
> datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how many 
> Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring harness or do 
> the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?  
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive been 
>> doing research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to take a moment 
>> to thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really grateful to 
>> not have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.
>>
>> Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you seem to 
>> have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have done a fair bit 
>> of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have no idea how 
>> many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 350 watt 24 volt 
>> scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know what you guys think, 
>> seeing as some of you have far more experience. Is 350 watts per track 
>> enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and i should look for at least 
>> 500-600 watts?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Isaac
>>
>

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-09 Thread isaac goldman
My motor driver mosfets can handle 175 amps at 75 degrees C, so my main
concern is burning a wire; im gonna set my fuses on the high side...


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Derek ENGELHAUPT  wrote:

> And the point is if your fuses are set to 50A and your fuses do their job
> then the wire doesn't become your fuse. :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:19 PM, isaac goldman  wrote:
>
> ^^Thats what i had figured. I calculated 8 AWG as the best choice, but
> wanted to confirm with what other people are using
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Michael Butts wrote:
>
>> Being that they could stall and draw 100A each. I would overkill a smidge
>> with 8awg or 10awg silicone jacketed high strand count wire. You could get
>> by with 12awg though I bet.
>> Mike B
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM, isaac goldman wrote:
>>
>>> I did the calculations myself, but im curious what gauge you guys use...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:00 PM, isaac goldman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Now for a much stupider question, but what wire gauge should I be using
 in the run from the batteries to the speed controller to the motors?


 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:

> Of course that's if your tracks didn't slip at all your motors would
> stall.  My tracks are steel so they would slip some.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
>
>> I have seen people use standard clips, but Robot Market Place looks
>> like they still have the connectors in stock:
>>
>> http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EVCABLE.html
>>
>> Most people were using (2) 12V 18AH batteries to power them.  The
>> fuses you would need on them would really depend on the speed controller
>> you use.  Personally I have blown 30A fuses with my scooter motors.  I
>> think I'm using a 50A fuse with a 60A controller.  Stall current would be
>> if you decided to do something like...running your tank into a wall and
>> keep pushing the motors full throttle.  At that point they would stall 
>> and
>> be pulling upwards of 100A.  At 50A my fuses would blow and protect my
>> motors and my controllers.
>>
>> Derek
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM, True North Armouries <
>> panthergol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the
>>> stage of mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV
>>> motors though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them 
>>> off
>>> 24 volts.
>>>
>>> Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as
>>> the datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know 
>>> how
>>> many Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring 
>>> harness or
>>> do the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive
 been doing research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to 
 take a
 moment to thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really
 grateful to not have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.

 Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you
 seem to have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have 
 done a
 fair bit of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have no
 idea how many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 350 
 watt
 24 volt scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know what you 
 guys
 think, seeing as some of you have far more experience. Is 350 watts per
 track enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and i should look 
 for at
 least 500-600 watts?


 Thanks in advance,

 Isaac

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-09 Thread Derek ENGELHAUPT
And the point is if your fuses are set to 50A and your fuses do their job then 
the wire doesn't become your fuse. :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:19 PM, isaac goldman  wrote:

> ^^Thats what i had figured. I calculated 8 AWG as the best choice, but wanted 
> to confirm with what other people are using
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Michael Butts  wrote:
>> Being that they could stall and draw 100A each. I would overkill a smidge 
>> with 8awg or 10awg silicone jacketed high strand count wire. You could get 
>> by with 12awg though I bet.
>> Mike B
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM, isaac goldman  
>> wrote:
>>> I did the calculations myself, but im curious what gauge you guys use...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:00 PM, isaac goldman  
>>> wrote:
 Now for a much stupider question, but what wire gauge should I be using in 
 the run from the batteries to the speed controller to the motors? 
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Derek Engelhaupt  wrote:
> Of course that's if your tracks didn't slip at all your motors would 
> stall.  My tracks are steel so they would slip some.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Derek Engelhaupt  
> wrote:
>> I have seen people use standard clips, but Robot Market Place looks like 
>> they still have the connectors in stock:
>> 
>> http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EVCABLE.html
>> 
>> Most people were using (2) 12V 18AH batteries to power them.  The fuses 
>> you would need on them would really depend on the speed controller you 
>> use.  Personally I have blown 30A fuses with my scooter motors.  I think 
>> I'm using a 50A fuse with a 60A controller.  Stall current would be if 
>> you decided to do something like...running your tank into a wall and 
>> keep pushing the motors full throttle.  At that point they would stall 
>> and be pulling upwards of 100A.  At 50A my fuses would blow and protect 
>> my motors and my controllers.
>> 
>> Derek
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM, True North Armouries 
>>  wrote:
>>> Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the stage 
>>> of mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV 
>>> motors though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them 
>>> off 24 volts.
>>> 
>>> Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the 
>>> datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how 
>>> many Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring 
>>> harness or do the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive been 
 doing research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to take a 
 moment to thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really 
 grateful to not have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.
 
 Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you seem 
 to have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have done a 
 fair bit of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have 
 no idea how many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 
 350 watt 24 volt scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know 
 what you guys think, seeing as some of you have far more experience. 
 Is 350 watts per track enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and 
 i should look for at least 500-600 watts?
 
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Isaac
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-09 Thread isaac goldman
^^Thats what i had figured. I calculated 8 AWG as the best choice, but
wanted to confirm with what other people are using


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Michael Butts wrote:

> Being that they could stall and draw 100A each. I would overkill a smidge
> with 8awg or 10awg silicone jacketed high strand count wire. You could get
> by with 12awg though I bet.
> Mike B
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM, isaac goldman wrote:
>
>> I did the calculations myself, but im curious what gauge you guys use...
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:00 PM, isaac goldman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Now for a much stupider question, but what wire gauge should I be using
>>> in the run from the batteries to the speed controller to the motors?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
>>>
 Of course that's if your tracks didn't slip at all your motors would
 stall.  My tracks are steel so they would slip some.


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:

> I have seen people use standard clips, but Robot Market Place looks
> like they still have the connectors in stock:
>
> http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EVCABLE.html
>
> Most people were using (2) 12V 18AH batteries to power them.  The
> fuses you would need on them would really depend on the speed controller
> you use.  Personally I have blown 30A fuses with my scooter motors.  I
> think I'm using a 50A fuse with a 60A controller.  Stall current would be
> if you decided to do something like...running your tank into a wall and
> keep pushing the motors full throttle.  At that point they would stall and
> be pulling upwards of 100A.  At 50A my fuses would blow and protect my
> motors and my controllers.
>
> Derek
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM, True North Armouries <
> panthergol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the
>> stage of mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV
>> motors though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them off
>> 24 volts.
>>
>> Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the
>> datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how 
>> many
>> Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring harness or do
>> the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive been
>>> doing research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to take a 
>>> moment
>>> to thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really grateful 
>>> to
>>> not have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.
>>>
>>> Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you seem
>>> to have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have done a 
>>> fair
>>> bit of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have no idea 
>>> how
>>> many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 350 watt 24 volt
>>> scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know what you guys 
>>> think,
>>> seeing as some of you have far more experience. Is 350 watts per track
>>> enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and i should look for at 
>>> least
>>> 500-600 watts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Isaac
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-09 Thread Michael Butts
Being that they could stall and draw 100A each. I would overkill a smidge
with 8awg or 10awg silicone jacketed high strand count wire. You could get
by with 12awg though I bet.
Mike B


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM, isaac goldman wrote:

> I did the calculations myself, but im curious what gauge you guys use...
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:00 PM, isaac goldman wrote:
>
>> Now for a much stupider question, but what wire gauge should I be using
>> in the run from the batteries to the speed controller to the motors?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
>>
>>> Of course that's if your tracks didn't slip at all your motors would
>>> stall.  My tracks are steel so they would slip some.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
>>>
 I have seen people use standard clips, but Robot Market Place looks
 like they still have the connectors in stock:

 http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EVCABLE.html

 Most people were using (2) 12V 18AH batteries to power them.  The fuses
 you would need on them would really depend on the speed controller you use.
  Personally I have blown 30A fuses with my scooter motors.  I think I'm
 using a 50A fuse with a 60A controller.  Stall current would be if you
 decided to do something like...running your tank into a wall and keep
 pushing the motors full throttle.  At that point they would stall and be
 pulling upwards of 100A.  At 50A my fuses would blow and protect my motors
 and my controllers.

 Derek


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM, True North Armouries <
 panthergol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the stage
> of mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV motors
> though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them off 24 
> volts.
>
> Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the
> datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how 
> many
> Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring harness or do
> the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?
>
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive been
>> doing research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to take a 
>> moment
>> to thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really grateful to
>> not have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.
>>
>> Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you seem
>> to have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have done a 
>> fair
>> bit of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have no idea 
>> how
>> many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 350 watt 24 volt
>> scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know what you guys 
>> think,
>> seeing as some of you have far more experience. Is 350 watts per track
>> enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and i should look for at 
>> least
>> 500-600 watts?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Isaac
>>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-09 Thread isaac goldman
I did the calculations myself, but im curious what gauge you guys use...


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:00 PM, isaac goldman wrote:

> Now for a much stupider question, but what wire gauge should I be using in
> the run from the batteries to the speed controller to the motors?
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
>
>> Of course that's if your tracks didn't slip at all your motors would
>> stall.  My tracks are steel so they would slip some.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
>>
>>> I have seen people use standard clips, but Robot Market Place looks like
>>> they still have the connectors in stock:
>>>
>>> http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EVCABLE.html
>>>
>>> Most people were using (2) 12V 18AH batteries to power them.  The fuses
>>> you would need on them would really depend on the speed controller you use.
>>>  Personally I have blown 30A fuses with my scooter motors.  I think I'm
>>> using a 50A fuse with a 60A controller.  Stall current would be if you
>>> decided to do something like...running your tank into a wall and keep
>>> pushing the motors full throttle.  At that point they would stall and be
>>> pulling upwards of 100A.  At 50A my fuses would blow and protect my motors
>>> and my controllers.
>>>
>>> Derek
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM, True North Armouries <
>>> panthergol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the stage
 of mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV motors
 though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them off 24 
 volts.

 Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the
 datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how many
 Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring harness or do
 the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?


 On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive been
> doing research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to take a 
> moment
> to thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really grateful to
> not have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.
>
> Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you seem
> to have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have done a fair
> bit of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have no idea 
> how
> many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 350 watt 24 volt
> scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know what you guys think,
> seeing as some of you have far more experience. Is 350 watts per track
> enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and i should look for at least
> 500-600 watts?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Isaac
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-09 Thread isaac goldman
Now for a much stupider question, but what wire gauge should I be using in
the run from the batteries to the speed controller to the motors?


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Derek Engelhaupt  wrote:

> Of course that's if your tracks didn't slip at all your motors would
> stall.  My tracks are steel so they would slip some.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
>
>> I have seen people use standard clips, but Robot Market Place looks like
>> they still have the connectors in stock:
>>
>> http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EVCABLE.html
>>
>> Most people were using (2) 12V 18AH batteries to power them.  The fuses
>> you would need on them would really depend on the speed controller you use.
>>  Personally I have blown 30A fuses with my scooter motors.  I think I'm
>> using a 50A fuse with a 60A controller.  Stall current would be if you
>> decided to do something like...running your tank into a wall and keep
>> pushing the motors full throttle.  At that point they would stall and be
>> pulling upwards of 100A.  At 50A my fuses would blow and protect my motors
>> and my controllers.
>>
>> Derek
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM, True North Armouries <
>> panthergol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the stage
>>> of mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV motors
>>> though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them off 24 volts.
>>>
>>> Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the
>>> datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how many
>>> Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring harness or do
>>> the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive been
 doing research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to take a moment
 to thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really grateful to
 not have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.

 Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you seem to
 have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have done a fair bit
 of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have no idea how
 many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 350 watt 24 volt
 scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know what you guys think,
 seeing as some of you have far more experience. Is 350 watts per track
 enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and i should look for at least
 500-600 watts?


 Thanks in advance,

 Isaac

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-08 Thread Derek Engelhaupt
Of course that's if your tracks didn't slip at all your motors would stall.
 My tracks are steel so they would slip some.


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Derek Engelhaupt  wrote:

> I have seen people use standard clips, but Robot Market Place looks like
> they still have the connectors in stock:
>
> http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EVCABLE.html
>
> Most people were using (2) 12V 18AH batteries to power them.  The fuses
> you would need on them would really depend on the speed controller you use.
>  Personally I have blown 30A fuses with my scooter motors.  I think I'm
> using a 50A fuse with a 60A controller.  Stall current would be if you
> decided to do something like...running your tank into a wall and keep
> pushing the motors full throttle.  At that point they would stall and be
> pulling upwards of 100A.  At 50A my fuses would blow and protect my motors
> and my controllers.
>
> Derek
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM, True North Armouries <
> panthergol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the stage of
>> mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV motors
>> though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them off 24 volts.
>>
>> Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the
>> datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how many
>> Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring harness or do
>> the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive been
>>> doing research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to take a moment
>>> to thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really grateful to
>>> not have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.
>>>
>>> Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you seem to
>>> have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have done a fair bit
>>> of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have no idea how
>>> many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 350 watt 24 volt
>>> scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know what you guys think,
>>> seeing as some of you have far more experience. Is 350 watts per track
>>> enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and i should look for at least
>>> 500-600 watts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-08 Thread Derek Engelhaupt
I have seen people use standard clips, but Robot Market Place looks like
they still have the connectors in stock:

http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EVCABLE.html

Most people were using (2) 12V 18AH batteries to power them.  The fuses you
would need on them would really depend on the speed controller you use.
 Personally I have blown 30A fuses with my scooter motors.  I think I'm
using a 50A fuse with a 60A controller.  Stall current would be if you
decided to do something like...running your tank into a wall and keep
pushing the motors full throttle.  At that point they would stall and be
pulling upwards of 100A.  At 50A my fuses would blow and protect my motors
and my controllers.

Derek


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM, True North Armouries <
panthergol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the stage of
> mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV motors
> though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them off 24 volts.
>
> Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the
> datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how many
> Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring harness or do
> the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?
>
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive been
>> doing research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to take a moment
>> to thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really grateful to
>> not have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.
>>
>> Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you seem to
>> have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have done a fair bit
>> of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have no idea how
>> many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 350 watt 24 volt
>> scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know what you guys think,
>> seeing as some of you have far more experience. Is 350 watts per track
>> enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and i should look for at least
>> 500-600 watts?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Isaac
>>
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[TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-08-08 Thread True North Armouries
Update; I just received a set of EV motors, and am almost at the stage of 
mounting them in the tank. I have a few questions concerning EV motors 
though for people who know about them. Im planning to run them off 24 volts.

Id like to know what rating on the fuse and relays people use, as the 
datasheet claims a stall current of over 100 amps. Id like to know how many 
Ah the batteries should be. Lastly, do i need the ev wiring harness or do 
the tabs accept standard sized crimp connectors?  

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I started working on my t34-85 this past Canada Day, though ive been doing 
> research and electronics work since Easter. I'd like to take a moment to 
> thank Steve for the T34 plans; for my first tank im really grateful to not 
> have to scale any drawings before I can start sawing.
>
> Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice; most of you seem to 
> have EV motors, which are increasingly hard to find. I have done a fair bit 
> of looking on-line, and  have come to the conclusion I have no idea how 
> many watts my motors should be. I found someone selling 350 watt 24 volt 
> scooter motors for a good price, but I wanted to know what you guys think, 
> seeing as some of you have far more experience. Is 350 watts per track 
> enough power, or is it going to be sluggish and i should look for at least 
> 500-600 watts?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Isaac
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-07-08 Thread isaac goldman
Wow thanks for the quick responses everyone. I really appreciate it. Im
glad 350 watts is enough, and thanks everyone for your help.


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Joe Sommer  wrote:

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> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
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>> Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice;
>
>
> 350W is strong enough for a clone of T005
>
> Razorama for $55
> http://www.razorama.com/razor-dirt-quad-motor.html
> They will ship to Canada.
>
> Drawings at www.anvilus.com
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> Frank can bore 35P sprockets to fit the 11mm shafts.
>
> Joe
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[TANKS] Re: New tank; need advice on motors

2013-07-08 Thread Joe Sommer


On Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:46:19 PM UTC-4, True North Armouries wrote:
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> Ive been looking at motors, and I need some advice;


350W is strong enough for a clone of T005

Razorama for $55
http://www.razorama.com/razor-dirt-quad-motor.html
They will ship to Canada.

Drawings at www.anvilus.com

Frank can bore 35P sprockets to fit the 11mm shafts.

Joe


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