Re: {Disarmed} RE: [TANKS] T-34 origins

2011-04-01 Thread Pete Arundel 


On Apr 1, 12:49 pm, Ryan P.  wrote:
> 30 mm guns couldn't kill hardly anything by ww2. By then even 75mm guns had 
> trouble.
>
> Ryan p.

Well that isn't actually true - not that raw calibre means anything
when it comes to actual armour piercing capability until the advent of
HEAT and HESH.

In 1939, the average tank gun was in the 20-47mm range with 37mm being
probably most common. The british went a bit higher with the 40mm 2pdr
(which could handle any tank likely to be met until late '41). Average
armour thickness would have ben about 25mm with the Matilda at the
extreme end at 78mm and the various light tanks (PzKpfv 1's, various
Vickers and so on) being in the 8 to 15mm sort of range.
To give you some idea of just how deadly a 2pdr was to most german
tanks, it's penetration at 1000m was 40mm - enough to penetrate the
frontal armour of any Panzer III or IV built before the middle of
1941. It's replacement, the 6pdr (57mm) was a better penetrator of
armour than the US 75mm gun but far less useful for anything other
than killing tanks.

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Re: {Disarmed} RE: [TANKS] T-34 origins

2011-04-01 Thread Ryan P . 
30 mm guns couldn't kill hardly anything by ww2. By then even 75mm guns had 
trouble.

Ryan p.


On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:02 AM, "Paul Hilton"  wrote:

> It did have a tiny gun.  All other tanks of the era had similar tiny guns. 
> 
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> It had a tiny gun for light weight.
> 
> Ryan p.
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> On Mar 31, 2011, at 12:06 AM, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote:
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> don't know what it was called before that, but i think there is a tank fan in 
> here that should know - it looks like one of them tanks that could run with 
> or without tracks. i think it had light armor and could travel at fast 
> speeds, someone i thought made a tank similar to it, i think it was even 
> mocked up out of cardboard first
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> Chris,
> Odyssey Slipways
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{Disarmed} RE: [TANKS] T-34 origins

2011-03-31 Thread Paul Hilton 
It did have a tiny gun.  All other tanks of the era had similar tiny guns.  

 

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It had a tiny gun for light weight.

Ryan p.

 


On Mar 31, 2011, at 12:06 AM, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote:

don't know what it was called before that, but i think there is a tank fan
in here that should know - it looks like one of them tanks that could run
with or without tracks. i think it had light armor and could travel at fast
speeds, someone i thought made a tank similar to it, i think it was even
mocked up out of cardboard first

 

Chris,
Odyssey Slipways  

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{Disarmed} RE: [TANKS] T-34 origins

2011-03-30 Thread Paul Hilton 
Also, Chrys from Greece made a BT.  I'm sort of stalled in the middle of a
BT-7.  If you need any pics or info, I'm your guy.

  And.   the Polish tank was a 10-TP, I had it turned around.

 

 

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Its called the BT-7, and yes the early versions could run on roads with the
tracks removed, but the design was switched to only allow tracked travel due
to the trackless design being impractical.

On Mar 31, 2011 12:07 AM,  wrote:
> don't know what it was called before that, but i think there is a tank fan

> in here that should know - it looks like one of them tanks that could run 
> with or without tracks. i think it had light armor and could travel at
fast 
> speeds, someone i thought made a tank similar to it, i think it was even 
> mocked up out of cardboard first
> 
> Chris,
> _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) 
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{Disarmed} RE: [TANKS] T-34 origins

2011-03-30 Thread Paul Hilton 
Yep, BT-7.  Basic design by J. Walter Christie.  By all accounts Mr.
Christie was rather difficult to deal with.  He had several run ins with the
war department.  His designs were also influential in the development of the
British "cruiser" tanks such as the Comet and Cromwell as well as the Polish
TP-10.  As far as I've been able to find out, there is a single example of a
Christie M-1928 or T-3 Combat Car at Aberdeen Proving Ground.

 

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Its called the BT-7, and yes the early versions could run on roads with the
tracks removed, but the design was switched to only allow tracked travel due
to the trackless design being impractical.

On Mar 31, 2011 12:07 AM,  wrote:
> don't know what it was called before that, but i think there is a tank fan

> in here that should know - it looks like one of them tanks that could run 
> with or without tracks. i think it had light armor and could travel at
fast 
> speeds, someone i thought made a tank similar to it, i think it was even 
> mocked up out of cardboard first
> 
> Chris,
> _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) 
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