Re: [RE-wrenches] whos doing the PV testing
Yes, the 3rd-part labs determine the temp coefficients. >From the ³PV Module Eligibility Procedure² PDF on gosolarcalifornia.org: ³The process for adding PV modules to the SB1 list is as follows: 1. The manufacturer gets their product certified to UL 1703. UL, CSA, and Inte rtek are the NRTLs who can currently perform this testing. 2. The manufacturer gets additional performance parameter testing completed by an ILAC-affiliated laboratory as listed above. Detailed information on the tes ts can be found on the equipment request form in Step 3. The additional performance p arameter testing required is shown below: Crystalline modules IEC 61215 Sections: 10.2Maximum Power Determination 10.4Measurement of Temperature Coefficients 10.5Measurement of NOCT 10.6Performance at STC and NOCT 10.7Performance at Low Irradiance 3. The manufacturer fills out the Energy Commission equipment application form, found here: http://gosolarcalifornia.org/equipment/documents/EQUIPMENT_REQUEST.DOC 4. The manufacturer emails a copy of the UL 1703 Certification Letter, the ILAC laboratory test report, and the Energy Commission equipment application form to Daria M ashnik. All documentation must be in English KEMA will reject any test reports tha t are not in English.² On 9/30/09 10:28 AM, "jay peltz" wrote: > Hi David, > > Yes I saw the piece in the new SolarPro. > > Do you know if they are also testing for temp derating, or are we still going > to be using the manufacturers % loss's? > > thanks, > > jay > > peltz power > On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:59 AM, David Brearley wrote: > >> Jay, >> >> According to Pat Saxon at the California Energy Commission, the list of >> approved test facilities currently include: CSA, Intertek (ETL) and UL. TUV >> Rheinland of North America is in the process of expanding their scope to >> include this testing. The testing performed includes portions, but not all, >> of IEC 61215 (for c-SI) and IEC 61646 (for thin film). The nominal operating >> cell temperature (NOCT) and the temperature coefficient of power measurements >> reported from these third party testing laboratories are now used to derive >> the PTC ratings for CEC eligible modules. That¹s basically the change; >> previously these values were self-reported by the manufacturers, generally >> optimistically. >> >> A section in one of our feature articles, a recent Q&A response and a letter >> in our Mail department cover aspects of the new testing. If you would like me >> to send you links or PDFs to these sources just contact me offline. >> >> Best regards, >> >> David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor >> SolarPro magazine >> NABCEP Certified PV Installer >> david.brear...@solarprofessional.com >> Direct: 541.261.6545 >> Fax: 541.512.0343 >> >> Visit our Web site at solarprofessional.com >> >> (Sample copy available for download at: solarprofessional.com/sample) >> >> On 9/29/09 10:30 PM, "jay peltz" wrote: >> >>> > HI All, >>> > >>> > I"m wondering if anyone knows who is doing the new 3rd party PV >>> > testing for california? >>> > >>> > And also how they are doing it, ie real world testing or modeling. >>> > >>> > thanks, >>> > >>> > jay >>> > >>> > peltz power >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> List sponsored by Home Power magazine >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Options & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> > > > > ___ > List sponsored by Home Power magazine > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Options & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer david.brear...@solarprofessional.com Direct: 541.261.6545 Fax: 541.512.0343 Visit our Web site at solarprofessional.com (Sample copy available for download at: solarprofessional.com/sample) ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant
Re: [RE-wrenches] whos doing the PV testing
Hi David, Yes I saw the piece in the new SolarPro. Do you know if they are also testing for temp derating, or are we still going to be using the manufacturers % loss's? thanks, jay peltz power On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:59 AM, David Brearley wrote: Jay, According to Pat Saxon at the California Energy Commission, the list of approved test facilities currently include: CSA, Intertek (ETL) and UL. TUV Rheinland of North America is in the process of expanding their scope to include this testing. The testing performed includes portions, but not all, of IEC 61215 (for c-SI) and IEC 61646 (for thin film). The nominal operating cell temperature (NOCT) and the temperature coefficient of power measurements reported from these third party testing laboratories are now used to derive the PTC ratings for CEC eligible modules. That’s basically the change; previously these values were self-reported by the manufacturers, generally optimistically. A section in one of our feature articles, a recent Q&A response and a letter in our Mail department cover aspects of the new testing. If you would like me to send you links or PDFs to these sources just contact me offline. Best regards, David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer ™ david.brear...@solarprofessional.com Direct: 541.261.6545 Fax: 541.512.0343 Visit our Web site at solarprofessional.com (Sample copy available for download at: solarprofessional.com/sample) On 9/29/09 10:30 PM, "jay peltz" wrote: > HI All, > > I"m wondering if anyone knows who is doing the new 3rd party PV > testing for california? > > And also how they are doing it, ie real world testing or modeling. > > thanks, > > jay > > peltz power > > > ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] whos doing the PV testing
Jay, According to Pat Saxon at the California Energy Commission, the list of approved test facilities currently include: CSA, Intertek (ETL) and UL. TUV Rheinland of North America is in the process of expanding their scope to include this testing. The testing performed includes portions, but not all, of IEC 61215 (for c-SI) and IEC 61646 (for thin film). The nominal operating cell temperature (NOCT) and the temperature coefficient of power measurements reported from these third party testing laboratories are now used to derive the PTC ratings for CEC eligible modules. That¹s basically the change; previously these values were self-reported by the manufacturers, generally optimistically. A section in one of our feature articles, a recent Q&A response and a letter in our Mail department cover aspects of the new testing. If you would like me to send you links or PDFs to these sources just contact me offline. Best regards, David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor SolarPro magazine NABCEP Certified PV Installer david.brear...@solarprofessional.com Direct: 541.261.6545 Fax: 541.512.0343 Visit our Web site at solarprofessional.com (Sample copy available for download at: solarprofessional.com/sample) On 9/29/09 10:30 PM, "jay peltz" wrote: > HI All, > > I"m wondering if anyone knows who is doing the new 3rd party PV > testing for california? > > And also how they are doing it, ie real world testing or modeling. > > thanks, > > jay > > peltz power > > > ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] whos doing the PV testing
HI All, I"m wondering if anyone knows who is doing the new 3rd party PV testing for california? And also how they are doing it, ie real world testing or modeling. thanks, jay peltz power ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
