[Repeater-Builder] Re: Radius R100

2004-05-15 Thread nj902
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...I'm looking for the manuals for the Radius R100 repeater, or
anything else that might help me with this animal...
__

If you haven't tracked down a manual yet, you might watch ebay. 
Motorola manuals show up there fairly often.

Until you get a book, this may get you going:

MCR100 Alignment

With the RF board positioned so that the legends are readable, the
receiver coax enters at the top left [J1 labeled RX].  You will see
three groups of cans with screw adjustments.  Left to right these are
FL1, FL2, and FL3.  FL1 and FL2 are the RX RF filters.  FL3 is the
injection filter. 

With the cover off the shielded compartment, C201 is at the top right
of the upper half of the compartment and C221 is at the lower right of
the upper half of the compartment.  R163 is to the right of the SL
legend in the top part of the lower half of the shielded compartment.
[TX rf only]

Transmitter:

VCO Adjustment.  
1. Connect a DC voltmeter [input impedance 11 megohms or greater] from
the steering line test point [SL] to ground.
2. Key the station.  Adjust TX VCO control C221 for a reading of 6 VDC.

Output Power Adjustment.
1. Adjust Output Voltage Set control R8 on the power supply regulator
board for an A+ equal to 13.2 VDC +/-0.1 VDC.
2. Key the station and adjust High Power Set control R453 for 25 Watts
[25 Watt stations]

[there are several more steps in the book that can be followed for a
complete alignment]

Reference Oscillator Adjustment
Key the station and adjust 2 PPM Frequency Control R163 [on the
transmit RF board] for the exact transmit frequency +/-100 Hz.

Receiver Adjustments:

VCO adjustment. 
1. Connect a DC voltmeter from the steering line test point [SL] to
ground.
2. Adjust RX VCO control C201 for a reading of 6.0 VDC.



After you set your RX steering line, put your voltmeter on the local
oscillator test point [LO - near FL3].  Tune FL3 for maximum [2.5 to
3.5 VDC typical]

Then you can tune the front end filters FL1 and FL2 for best SINAD. 
Finish up by fine tuning FL3 for best SINAD.






 
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[[Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg]

2004-05-15 Thread Coy Hilton
John, I won't hold your being a Democrat against you !(HI HI) The 
most important thing is..US (us) Americans. PERIOD. And the 
prosparity of our country inspite of the rest of the world. 
Sometimes that part gets lost in partisonship AND THAT'S BULL.
PEOPLE NEEDS TO REOLIZE That how WE got to be the best country on 
the planet !  Freedom has to be fought for and died for. Thankfully 
my father didn't die for it but only had to fight for it. He landed 
on Normandy on the day after D-day.
Thanks to HIM and ALL VETERANS    

 73 John and to ALL 
Coy


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Coy-
 
 You and I have dis-agreed before, but today we are in TOTAL 
agreement.
 I feel like a minority, I am a democrat who SUPPORTS the war in 
Iraq
  supported the initial Iraq invasion.
 
 Coy Hilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  KEEP THIS IN MINDTHEY ARE WAITING  TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME 
THING 
  TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF US, IF WE LET THEM.
  
  I'M STILL PISSED ABOUT 9/11  THIS IS JUST MORE INDICATION AS 
WHAT 
  THEY WOULD DO TO US ALL. 
  
  These people want us all to be under their control or be dead. 
They 
  are teaching their children the same thing here in their 
schools. A 
  local man was talking to a 10 year old girl from a local ISLOMIC 
  school and during the conversation he was told if he didn't 
want to 
  be Islomic then he would have to be killed.
  
  I'm SO VERRY SORRY for the family and the rest of us 
  
  73
  COY
  
  
  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Lloyd M. Mitchell 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   To the Berg Family,

   My condolences to you and your family.  We live in times of 
great 
  sacrifice and your son gave the ultimate sacrifice for our 
freedom 
  and security.

   From my family to yours, my sincere prayers for you during 
this 
  time.

   Lloyd Mitchell
   Florence SC
   
   Maire Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   - Original Message - 
   From: Maire Company 
   To: M. Bond 
   Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:02 PM
   Subject: Fw: [WFHSG] Very Sad News-Nick Berg: From his father
   
   
   
   
 Subject: [Tower-pro] Fw: Nick Berg: From his father
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I just received this sad message from Nick Berg's father 
that 
  I thought
 I
 should pass along to the Tower-pro mailing list.

 John Hettish


   
   
  

  
 


 - Original Message - 
 Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:14 PM
 Subject: Nick Berg: From his father





 To the customers and friends of Nick Berg and Prometheus 
Towers

 I am sorry to inform you that I just learned from the 
State 
  Department
 in
 Baghdad, that my son, Nicholas E. Berg, was found lying 
dead 
  along the
 side
 of a road near Baghdad. His body was discovered by a 
military 
  convoy and
 identified definitely. He will be flown to Kuwait, and 
from 
  there to
 Dover
 Air Force Base. I have no further information at this 
time. If 
  you have
 unfinished business with Prometheus Towers, you may 
contact 
  me, Michael
 Berg, at 610-696-8873 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] .



   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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[[Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg]

2004-05-15 Thread Coy Hilton
Right you are Richard! That's why I don't split hairs when I talk 
about it.
73 Coy 

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 I had to jump in with a quick comment: I'm a democrat too...
 
 Terrorism has nothing to do with political party affiliation, but 
has
 everything to do with our very survival.
 
 Richard, N7TGB
 
 -Original Message-
 From: JOHN MACKEY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 12:04 AM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg]
 
 
 Coy-
 
 You and I have dis-agreed before, but today we are in TOTAL 
agreement.
 I feel like a minority, I am a democrat who SUPPORTS the war in 
Iraq
  supported the initial Iraq invasion.
 
 Coy Hilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  KEEP THIS IN MINDTHEY ARE WAITING  TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME 
THING
  TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF US, IF WE LET THEM.
 
  I'M STILL PISSED ABOUT 9/11  THIS IS JUST MORE INDICATION AS WHAT
  THEY WOULD DO TO US ALL.
 
  These people want us all to be under their control or be dead. 
They
  are teaching their children the same thing here in their 
schools. A
  local man was talking to a 10 year old girl from a local ISLOMIC
  school and during the conversation he was told if he didn't 
want to
  be Islomic then he would have to be killed.
 
  I'm SO VERRY SORRY for the family and the rest of us
 
  73
  COY
 
 
  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Lloyd M. Mitchell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   To the Berg Family,
  
   My condolences to you and your family.  We live in times of 
great
  sacrifice and your son gave the ultimate sacrifice for our 
freedom
  and security.
  
   From my family to yours, my sincere prayers for you during this
  time.
  
   Lloyd Mitchell
   Florence SC
  
   Maire Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Maire Company
   To: M. Bond
   Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:02 PM
   Subject: Fw: [WFHSG] Very Sad News-Nick Berg: From his father
  
  
   
   
 Subject: [Tower-pro] Fw: Nick Berg: From his father
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I just received this sad message from Nick Berg's father 
that
  I thought
 I
 should pass along to the Tower-pro mailing list.

 John Hettish


   
  
  

  
 


 - Original Message -
 Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:14 PM
 Subject: Nick Berg: From his father





 To the customers and friends of Nick Berg and Prometheus 
Towers

 I am sorry to inform you that I just learned from the State
  Department
 in
 Baghdad, that my son, Nicholas E. Berg, was found lying 
dead
  along the
 side
 of a road near Baghdad. His body was discovered by a 
military
  convoy and
 identified definitely. He will be flown to Kuwait, and from
  there to
 Dover
 Air Force Base. I have no further information at this 
time. If
  you have
 unfinished business with Prometheus Towers, you may contact
  me, Michael
 Berg, at 610-696-8873 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] .



   
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[[Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg]

2004-05-15 Thread Coy Hilton
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Steve Grantham 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually, I think we're in one hell of a mess!  With Kerry and 
Bush to
 choose from, and the possibility of a spoiler entering the race, 
it's the
 devil you know vs. the ones you don't.  Kerry's way too far to the 
left and
 sways in the wind like a tall pine.  

WELL.. PINES Usually SNAP in more than a breeze.

Bush is just plain stupid!  After all,
 anyone who'd speak out in support of an idea as flawed as Access 
BPL doesn't
 deserve the time of day, much less the highest office in the land! 

DOES THIS mean YOU have ALL KNOWLEGE and Know ALL?

 So, when
 Clinton ( THE LIAR) and Carville ( is IGNORANT) spoke of the 
economy, I guess Bush heard it and took it
 to heart, thinking they were calling him by name.

What does that mean?

 
 I think many of the terrorists probably aren't sure what they are 
fighting
 for. 
WELL LET ME TELL YOU. THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR THE ABILITY TO KILL EACH 
ONE OF YOUR FAMILY INCLUDING YOUR WIFE, YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR GRAND 
CHILDREN (if you have any) AND, YOU, YOU, YOU.


 There are those, I'm sure, who think it's a Crusade by the 
Christians
 against Islam.  And, there are those, on both sides, who would 
think it's
 all about survival. 
LET ME TELL YOU ...IT  IS! YOURS and OURS!

 Then, there are probably those who would be happy with
 an Islamic New World Order just as long as they got one.  So, 
I'd vote to
 send them all to be with Allah,

I'D vote to send them to HELL.
 and their seventy virgins, regardless of
 anyone's party affiliation.  And, this should sound reasonable, 
except that
 out pot has melted.
 
WHAT?

 God bless the Berg's, and God bless America.  He knows we need it!
 
 Steve, AA5SG
 
 (Regrets for the thread and the topic... At least the BPL part is 
repeater
 related on 10-meters and 6-meters.)
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:43 AM
 Subject: RE: [[Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg]
 
 
  I had to jump in with a quick comment: I'm a democrat too...
 
  Terrorism has nothing to do with political party affiliation, 
but has
  everything to do with our very survival.
 
  Richard, N7TGB
 
  -Original Message-
  From: JOHN MACKEY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 12:04 AM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg]
 
 
  Coy-
 
  You and I have dis-agreed before, but today we are in TOTAL 
agreement.
  I feel like a minority, I am a democrat who SUPPORTS the war in 
Iraq
   supported the initial Iraq invasion.
 
  Coy Hilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   KEEP THIS IN MINDTHEY ARE WAITING  TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME 
THING
   TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF US, IF WE LET THEM.
  
   I'M STILL PISSED ABOUT 9/11  THIS IS JUST MORE INDICATION AS 
WHAT
   THEY WOULD DO TO US ALL.
  
   These people want us all to be under their control or be dead. 
They
   are teaching their children the same thing here in their 
schools. A
   local man was talking to a 10 year old girl from a local 
ISLOMIC
   school and during the conversation he was told if he didn't 
want to
   be Islomic then he would have to be killed.
  
   I'm SO VERRY SORRY for the family and the rest of us
  
   73
   COY
  
  
   --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Lloyd M. Mitchell
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To the Berg Family,
   
My condolences to you and your family.  We live in times of 
great
   sacrifice and your son gave the ultimate sacrifice for our 
freedom
   and security.
   
From my family to yours, my sincere prayers for you during 
this
   time.
   
Lloyd Mitchell
Florence SC
   
Maire Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
- Original Message -
From: Maire Company
To: M. Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:02 PM
Subject: Fw: [WFHSG] Very Sad News-Nick Berg: From his father
   
   


  Subject: [Tower-pro] Fw: Nick Berg: From his father
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  I just received this sad message from Nick Berg's father 
that
   I thought
  I
  should pass along to the Tower-pro mailing list.
 
  John Hettish
 
 

   
   

   
  
 
 
  - Original Message -
  Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:14 PM
  Subject: Nick Berg: From his father
 
 
 
 
 
  To the customers and friends of Nick Berg and Prometheus 
Towers
 
  I am sorry to inform you that I just learned from the 
State
   Department
  in
  Baghdad, that my son, Nicholas E. Berg, was found lying 
dead
   along the
  side
  of a road near Baghdad. His body was discovered by a 
military
   convoy and
  identified definitely. He will be flown to Kuwait, and 
from
   there to
  Dover
  Air Force Base. I have no further information at this 
time. If
   you have
  unfinished 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg

2004-05-15 Thread Coy Hilton
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Coy Hilton wrote:
 
 KEEP THIS IN MINDTHEY ARE WAITING  TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME 
THING 
 TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF US, IF WE LET THEM.
 
 I'M STILL PISSED ABOUT 9/11  THIS IS JUST MORE INDICATION AS WHAT 
 THEY WOULD DO TO US ALL. 
 
 These people want us all to be under their control or be dead. 
They 
 are teaching their children the same thing here in their schools. 
A 
 local man was talking to a 10 year old girl from a local ISLOMIC 
 school and during the conversation he was told if he didn't want 
to 
 be Islomic then he would have to be killed.
 
 I'm SO VERRY SORRY for the family and the rest of us 
 
 73
 COY
 
 You might want to learn to spell the name of the religion you're 
 claiming to be an expert on.


I DON'T WANT to be an expert on it. Is that spelled correctly?
You JUST DON'T GET IT DO YOU?
 
 Nate WY0X





 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg

2004-05-15 Thread Coy Hilton
KEN, You may be right. But I think MY COUNTRY and Fellow AMERICANS 
ARE MORE IMPORTANT than any ten repeaters.
73
Coy


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
   It because the issue keeps getting repeated here time after 
time? 
 
   Neil 
 
   (ILRP 20935) 
 
 Ken Arck wrote:
  
  I am probably one of the more involved political wonks around 
and 
  have great interest in what goes on politically and the War on 
  Terror.
  
  And while I have nothing but the deepest sympathy for Nick Berg 
  and his family,  does this thread really belong on a mail list 
  dealing with repeaters?
  Ken
  -
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  Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg

2004-05-15 Thread Jeff Otterson
Folks:

   A friendly reminder: this is the repeater-builder group.

   It is not the group for political and/or religious flamewars.

   Please do you part to keep the signal-to-noise ratio acceptable.

   Thank you.

   Jeff

disclaimer: I am not a moderator.  Just a consumer of this list.  But I 
don't have time or patience for this and I would hate to have to unsubscribe...


At 08:44 PM 5/14/2004, you wrote:
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  Coy Hilton wrote:
 
  KEEP THIS IN MINDTHEY ARE WAITING  TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME
THING
  TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF US, IF WE LET THEM.
  
  I'M STILL PISSED ABOUT 9/11  THIS IS JUST MORE INDICATION AS WHAT
  THEY WOULD DO TO US ALL.
  
  These people want us all to be under their control or be dead.
They
  are teaching their children the same thing here in their schools.
A
  local man was talking to a 10 year old girl from a local ISLOMIC
  school and during the conversation he was told if he didn't want
to
  be Islomic then he would have to be killed.
  
  I'm SO VERRY SORRY for the family and the rest of us
  
  73
  COY
  
  You might want to learn to spell the name of the religion you're
  claiming to be an expert on.
 

I DON'T WANT to be an expert on it. Is that spelled correctly?
You JUST DON'T GET IT DO YOU?

  Nate WY0X






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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg

2004-05-15 Thread Richard
You're right, this probably isn't the right venue, but it is something that
affects each and every American.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Ken Arck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 6:07 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Response: Nick Berg


At 12:50 AM 5/15/2004 -, you wrote:

KEN, You may be right. But I think MY COUNTRY and Fellow AMERICANS
ARE MORE IMPORTANT than any ten repeaters.

---I'm in complete agreement with everything you say. I just don't believe
this is the proper venue for this thread.

Then again, I may be wrong

Ken

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Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories.
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[Repeater-Builder] Bandpass Duplexer Tuning Help

2004-05-15 Thread Rich Garcia
I have searched the RB home page and also the web for tuning help but am not
coming up with what I need. I am trying to make a 4 can bandpass duplexer
out of a couple of Waycom  WP-436's (Double Can packages). I have a Tracking
generator and am trying to come up with images of what it should look like
since this is the first time I have had access to the fancy stuff. I have
tuned up a set of them for the RX side but since this is my first time I am
a bit unsure.

I have a 3mb photo of the screen if anyone has some expirence using tracking
generators and can take a look at the image for me for suggestions. I may be
able to bump the resolution down a bit but I don't want the markers to get
fuzzy. If anyone has a moment to take a peek let me know and I will e-mail
it to you directly.

Thanks,
Rich






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need Power Tr's for MSR

2004-05-15 Thread Ron
The MSR 2000 series transistors are no longer made or supported. They have 
been un-available for 5 or more years that I know of..


I have a complete AMP  with M1131 -- M1132  -M1133 - M1134 transistors
in it ==  IT IS BRAND NEW =   NEVER hooked up or used
It is complete  but it is NOT the black heat sink like most.. I don't 
know why?

I can send you some pictures... but we are talking $200 for the AMP.
I purchased it for a back up unit, and now I no longer
need it.   
I am in PA. 



On 14 May 2004 at 10:08, Gregg Lengling wrote:

 Looking for a M1131 and a M1132 for the predriver/driver stages of a
 VHF MSR2000 110 watt continuous duty amp.  Anyone have any laying
 around???
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need Power Tr's for MSR

2004-05-15 Thread Mike WA6ILQ




Did you try RF Parts? (760)
744-0750
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Mike WA6ILQ

At 10:08 AM 5/14/04 -0500, you wrote:
Looking for a M1131 and a M1132 for
the predriver/driver stages of a VHF
MSR2000 110 watt continuous duty amp. Anyone have any laying
around???

Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired
Administrator
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need Power Tr's for MSR

2004-05-15 Thread hwingate
The TLD2600 series continuous duty amplifier is nearly identical
to the Micor. You might be able to scrounge some from an old
amp.

The intermittant duty amp is different and even uses NPN
power transistors!

Henry, K4HAL


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Bandpass Duplexer Tuning Help

2004-05-15 Thread Eric Lemmon
Rich,

I looked in my WACOM full-line catalog, and found no listing for a
WP-436; the list jumps from WP-430-3 to WP-438-1.  Both of these
Bandpass Cavities are for the 144-174 MHz band.  If you're certain about
the model number, please provide the dimensions of the cavity itself,
exclusive of the connectors and plunger hardware.  Also, does each
cavity have one or two connectors?

Bandpass cavities, by themselves, seldom provide enough isolation for
duplex operation.  At crowded sites, a bandpass duplexer is usually used
with separate antennas for TX and RX.  Otherwise, two or more notch
cavities are needed to take out the TX carrier while the bandpass
cavities reduce the sideband noise.

I must assume that you intend to use this duplexer on a repeater pair
that has either a 5.0 MHz or 5.26 MHz split, true?

Since you have a spectrum analyzer with a tracking generator, simply
adjust the center plunger rod for a peak at the frequency of interest. 
Be careful to verify that the frequency calibration of the analyzer is
right on the money. Now, adjust the loops for about 0.8 dB of insertion
loss per cavity.  Reverse the source and return connections several
times to ensure that the cavity tuning is symmetrical.  Once you have
two cavities tuned individually, connect them in series and verify that
the combined insertion loss is no more than about 1.7 dB.  If the
combined loss is significantly more than the summ of the individual
losses, the length of the jumper cable must be changed until the VSWR is
matched between the cavities.

This matching of cavity VSWR is made much easier with a return loss
bridge or a network analyzer, since you can achieve a match in a few
seconds.  Although a good RLB costs a few hundred bucks, it is worth its
weight in gold!

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Rich Garcia wrote:
 
... I am trying to make a 4 can bandpass duplexer out of a couple of
Wacom  WP-436's (Double Can packages). I have a Tracking generator and
am trying to come up with images of what it should look like...




 
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