Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Ron Wright]

Jim,

I wonder where the RG58 went to.  Looks like inside the building.

Also noticed the tie-wrap holding your now 2 pieces of the 1/2 inch together.  
Was this your doing to secure it or did the RG58 installer do it.  Does not 
look like anything missing, just modified, hi.

Copper is now going for $2.85 from a scrap dealer, but does not look like this 
is the case.  

Here in Tampa area we have recently seen 2 large towers, above 1000 ft, loose a 
major part of their ground wiring due to some wanting it for the scrap value.  
Alerts are being posted to tower owners.

73, ron, n9ee/r



73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/21 Mon AM 03:09:16 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

>
>I finally got a new connector and jumper cable installed last week on a 
>repeater that has been out of service for several months.  The hard line and 
>jumper had been cut with an ax and removed for scrap copper.  It has taken me 
>this long to find a connector for the hard line.  They climbed a chain link 
>fence with barb wire on top to get to the tower, and also removed the 
>signaling wires to the switches (railroad) for the scrap copper value.
>
>But even this vandalism does not touch the RG-58 jumper in the picture - 
>
>73 - Jim  W5ZIT
>
>Jeff Kincaid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Here's a link 
>to a photo I made during a recent service call.  Someone has cut the 
>Heliax to our UHF receive antenna and spliced a piece of RG-58 to it.  
>Seriously, if you're going to hijack an antenna, at
> least you could spring for a lousy connector!  
> 
> http://www.lafn.org/~jeffk/CoaxSpliceSm.jpg
> 
> Jeff W6JK
> 
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Ron Wright]

Larry,

I thought the same thing except I would go for more 240 V...a good old TV 
transformer with about 800V would do.  Also if you stand inside the building 
looking for smoke it would lead to the user of the feedline.  Bet they would 
not do it again.

Another approach is a high voltage, not enough to damage or smoke the 
equipment, but enough so when the tech came to service it got a surprise 
welcome.

This was obviously a poor and botched job.  The RG58 and crummy splice tells 
one this person would not be working at my site.  I would not even let them on 
the property to look.

73, ron, n9ee/r





>From: Larry Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/21 Mon PM 06:08:47 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

>
>At 05:43 PM 4/21/2008, you wrote:
>>I would think the one using the cable is the one who cut it.
>
>Or at the very least is responsible - given that that person's 
>equipment is connected.
>One cannot claim ignorance at a certain point ...
>And it is the CUTTING of the hardline that is the criminal damage, 
>not the use of the antenna.
>
>Finally ... if nothing else - how about feeding some 240 AC down the 
>line from the splice point to the offender's equipment.
>
>Larry
>N5WLW 
>
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Larry Wagoner]

At 06:22 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote:
>Larry,
>I thought the same thing except I would go for more 240 V...a good 
>old TV transformer with about 800V would do. Also if you stand 
>inside the building looking for smoke it would lead to the user of 
>the feedline. Bet they would not do it again.
>This was obviously a poor and botched job. The RG58 and crummy 
>splice tells one this person would not be working at my site. I 
>would not even let them on the property to look.

I defer to your obviously superior ideas.  :)

I do think in all seriousness that there should be criminal charges 
in play.  The idea that you cannot show criminal intent when someone 
CUT your hardline is absurd.  The cutting of the hardline ITSELF is criminal.

Larry
N5WLW 

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[neal Newman]

On a quick Note Ron
If the repeater was for emergency services( Police,fire,ems or during a  storm) 
 ,and was a Must Get on the air at any cost that would save lives. I would 
allow that stupid splice Until I was able to get the correct connectors to make 
the Correct splice.
and that would be the only reason.
Better to be on air with a Crap splice than totally off the air  for a few 
hours If its to save lives...  I know Its a Ham repeater.. how many Emergencys 
are handled by Hams... ALOT

Neal

--- On Tue, 4/22/08, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 7:22 AM
> Larry,
> 
> I thought the same thing except I would go for more 240
> V...a good old TV transformer with about 800V would do. 
> Also if you stand inside the building looking for smoke it
> would lead to the user of the feedline.  Bet they would not
> do it again.
> 
> Another approach is a high voltage, not enough to damage or
> smoke the equipment, but enough so when the tech came to
> service it got a surprise welcome.
> 
> This was obviously a poor and botched job.  The RG58 and
> crummy splice tells one this person would not be working at
> my site.  I would not even let them on the property to look.
> 
> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Larry Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: 2008/04/21 Mon PM 06:08:47 CDT
> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
> 
> >
> >At 05:43 PM 4/21/2008, you wrote:
> >>I would think the one using the cable is the one
> who cut it.
> >
> >Or at the very least is responsible - given that that
> person's 
> >equipment is connected.
> >One cannot claim ignorance at a certain point ...
> >And it is the CUTTING of the hardline that is the
> criminal damage, 
> >not the use of the antenna.
> >
> >Finally ... if nothing else - how about feeding some
> 240 AC down the 
> >line from the splice point to the offender's
> equipment.
> >
> >Larry
> >N5WLW 
> >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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> 727-376-6575
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> 
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Ron Wright]

Nice install.  The guys need some work, but the RF gear looked good.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 07:58:31 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

>
>Alexandre Souza wrote:
>>> p.s: I've run across several other technology-groups who like to post
>>> 'Wall of Shame' pix - got a few myself.  Any interest out there?
>> 
>> I have that on my site: 
>> http://www.tabajara-labs.com.br/eletronica/gambiarras/
>> 
>> Send me the photos and I'll put there :o)
>
>The device under test on the logic analyzer looked utterly normal to 
>anyone who's ever had to do that... chip pin clips everywhere!
>
>(But if you're debugging code and it just won't do what it's supposed 
>to, because you wrote stupid code and stupidly can't find your bug... 
>that pile of clips and the analyzer will save your hide!)
>
>Some of those photos looked like someone was prototyping, but they 
>weren't.  There were some funny ones in there, I'll admit!
>
>Just Googling around I found these (no I don't know any of these folks), 
>just random Googling for repeater photos...
>
>-
>
>
>- I like the huge coil of 1/2" hardline with a big kink in it.  I guess 
>they forgot the hacksaw and connectors.
>-
>
>
>- The repeater is stored with the Christmas decorations, apparently! 
>Very festive!
>-
>
>
>- This one isn't repeaters, so much... but it's quite an interesting 
>photo of the antennas at someone's site.
>-
>
>
>- Glad we don't have to chip ice off our systems, even the high mountain 
>ones.  Crazy Canadians!  And a photo in the summertime: 
>
>-
>
>
>- I want to know what the windsock is for.  Anyone crazy enough to land 
>a helicopter here, I think I'll avoid flying with!
>-
>
>
>- And I just thought that one looked cool... because it's on top of this:
>
>
>
>Toys!
>Nate WY0X
>   
> 


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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Ron Wright]

Wayne,

One issue on the connectors for reconnecting coax.

Many make back to back type connectors for this.  They are essentially the back 
end of 2 connectors joined as one piece/connector.  Mostly used where a long 
feedline cannot be placed on one spool and must be joined or for other 
applications needing a spice.

Would have lower loss and cost less than two connectors.  More reliable also.

73, ron, nn9ee/r





>From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:21:01 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

>  Thanks, I had no way of knowing that. Tells me the connectors are good  
>parts.
>  The 4 Heliax connectors I bought with the cable are Andrew connectors.
>  I'm wondering when the Andrew web site will be back up. Is it based in  
>taiwan? I know they had problems there due to a major quake that shut many  
>things down.
>  I have a fairly good assortment on other N connectors, various brands  
>that don't give me a real clue as to what cables they were actually made  
>for use with.
>  Some I can usually simply use with whatever size cable jacket fits  
>through the gland nut...
>  I should post a few part nubers and brands later.
>
>  Wayne WA2YNE
>
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:39:48 -0500, Glenn Little WB4UIV  
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The number before UG-1185/U is a cage code. This identifies who  
>> manufactured the
>> item.
>>
>> In this case:
>>
>> AMPHENOL AEROSPACE - RF MICROWAVE CONNECTOR OPERATIONS
>> ONE KENNEDY AVENUE
>> DANBURY, CT 06810
>> Cage Code: 74868
>> Tel.: 1-800-627-7100
>>
>> It is a marked Amphenol connector.
>>
>> 73
>> Glenn
>> WB4UIV
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02:30 AM 4/24/2008, Wayne wrote:
>>
>> Cannot see any braid without undoing one of the N connectors on the RG214
>> jumper.
>> Connectors are evidently not Amphenol, unless they didn't mark them as
>> such. The cable says RG214/U. Connectors marked 74868 UG-1185/U Seems to
>> be good quality.
>> No leakage that I can tell, and zero resistance from one end to the
>> other, so should be good to go.
>>
>> Wayne WA2YNE
>>
>>
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RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Paul Finch]

Ron and Wayne,
 
I have several of those splice connections from a job where I got to remove
old Heliax on top of a building.  They make them to go from the same size
cable to others also.  If you have 1 5/8 Heliax you can convert to 7/8 or
1/2 inch but be warned, they may be expensive.  They are much better than
going through a regular "N" connector.
 
I still have all of them that I took down, just have never needed them on my
tower, yet.  I have several 300 and 400 foot pieces of 1 5/8 Andrew Heliax
that I may have to splice together to get to the height I need.  So far, I
have yet to buy anything "new" in the way of Heliax for my tower except the
snap-in hangers.  Grin, I am cheep.
 
Paul
 

   _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:55 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter



Wayne,

One issue on the connectors for reconnecting coax.

Many make back to back type connectors for this. They are essentially the
back end of 2 connectors joined as one piece/connector. Mostly used where a
long feedline cannot be placed on one spool and must be joined or for other
applications needing a spice.

Would have lower loss and cost less than two connectors. More reliable also.

73, ron, nn9ee/r

>From: Wayne mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:21:01 CDT
>To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

> Thanks, I had no way of knowing that. Tells me the connectors are good 
>parts.
> The 4 Heliax connectors I bought with the cable are Andrew connectors.
> I'm wondering when the Andrew web site will be back up. Is it based in 
>taiwan? I know they had problems there due to a major quake that shut many 
>things down.
> I have a fairly good assortment on other N connectors, various brands 
>that don't give me a real clue as to what cables they were actually made 
>for use with.
> Some I can usually simply use with whatever size cable jacket fits 
>through the gland nut...
> I should post a few part nubers and brands later.
>
> Wayne WA2YNE
>
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:39:48 -0500, Glenn Little WB4UIV 
>mailto:glennmaillist%40bellsouth.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The number before UG-1185/U is a cage code. This identifies who 
>> manufactured the
>> item.
>>
>> In this case:
>>
>> AMPHENOL AEROSPACE - RF MICROWAVE CONNECTOR OPERATIONS
>> ONE KENNEDY AVENUE
>> DANBURY, CT 06810
>> Cage Code: 74868
>> Tel.: 1-800-627-7100
>>
>> It is a marked Amphenol connector.
>>
>> 73
>> Glenn
>> WB4UIV
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02:30 AM 4/24/2008, Wayne wrote:
>>
>> Cannot see any braid without undoing one of the N connectors on the RG214
>> jumper.
>> Connectors are evidently not Amphenol, unless they didn't mark them as
>> such. The cable says RG214/U. Connectors marked 74868 UG-1185/U Seems to
>> be good quality.
>> No leakage that I can tell, and zero resistance from one end to the
>> other, so should be good to go.
>>
>> Wayne WA2YNE
>>
>>
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Ralph Messer]

Wayne

If you use the "N" male female splice you might want to look at how much 
flexing the cable will get.

If this cable is "7/8" inch then the flex on the joint can be catastrophic, 
especially if it is somewhere on a tower.

I would suggest a pair of EIA flanges to make a good mechanically strong 
splice. 
Andrew part numbers are L45R

Ralph
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ron Wright<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:54 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter


  Wayne,

  One issue on the connectors for reconnecting coax.

  Many make back to back type connectors for this. They are essentially the 
back end of 2 connectors joined as one piece/connector. Mostly used where a 
long feedline cannot be placed on one spool and must be joined or for other 
applications needing a spice.

  Would have lower loss and cost less than two connectors. More reliable also.

  73, ron, nn9ee/r

  >From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com>>
  >Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:21:01 CDT
  >To: 
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>
  >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

  > Thanks, I had no way of knowing that. Tells me the connectors are good 
  >parts.
  > The 4 Heliax connectors I bought with the cable are Andrew connectors.
  > I'm wondering when the Andrew web site will be back up. Is it based in 
  >taiwan? I know they had problems there due to a major quake that shut many 
  >things down.
  > I have a fairly good assortment on other N connectors, various brands 
  >that don't give me a real clue as to what cables they were actually made 
  >for use with.
  > Some I can usually simply use with whatever size cable jacket fits 
  >through the gland nut...
  > I should post a few part nubers and brands later.
  >
  > Wayne WA2YNE
  >
  >On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:39:48 -0500, Glenn Little WB4UIV 
  ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:glennmaillist%40bellsouth.net>> wrote:
  >
  >> The number before UG-1185/U is a cage code. This identifies who 
  >> manufactured the
  >> item.
  >>
  >> In this case:
  >>
  >> AMPHENOL AEROSPACE - RF MICROWAVE CONNECTOR OPERATIONS
  >> ONE KENNEDY AVENUE
  >> DANBURY, CT 06810
  >> Cage Code: 74868
  >> Tel.: 1-800-627-7100
  >>
  >> It is a marked Amphenol connector.
  >>
  >> 73
  >> Glenn
  >> WB4UIV
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> At 02:30 AM 4/24/2008, Wayne wrote:
  >>
  >> Cannot see any braid without undoing one of the N connectors on the RG214
  >> jumper.
  >> Connectors are evidently not Amphenol, unless they didn't mark them as
  >> such. The cable says RG214/U. Connectors marked 74868 UG-1185/U Seems to
  >> be good quality.
  >> No leakage that I can tell, and zero resistance from one end to the
  >> other, so should be good to go.
  >>
  >> Wayne WA2YNE
  >>
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Wayne]

  Did some searching, and it looks like splices would run maybe twice or  
more the cost of one male and one female.
  I found about $30 or so, maybe more, I forget, just for the inner part,  
and the only "shell" I found by itself was out of sight. A splice for  
larger Heliax seems to be around $129.00.
  As it is, I have 4 male N connectors for the 7/8" and one female.
  Figure I will never need all of them, being as I have them.
  If I did not have at least one more than I figured, I would wind up  
needing to find another one. Murphy's Law seems to work that way.
  Like those end caps for PVC pipe. I always wind up not having enough of  
them unless I buy the big package, which Home Despot never has when I need  
to buy them.
  YMMV

  Wayne WA2YNE


On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:54:30 -0500, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wayne,
>
> One issue on the connectors for reconnecting coax.
>
> Many make back to back type connectors for this.  They are essentially  
> the back end of 2 connectors joined as one piece/connector.  Mostly used  
> where a long feedline cannot be placed on one spool and must be joined  
> or for other applications needing a spice.
>
> Would have lower loss and cost less than two connectors.  More reliable  
> also.
>
> 73, ron, nn9ee/r
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:21:01 CDT
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
>
>>  Thanks, I had no way of knowing that. Tells me the connectors are good
>> parts.
>>  The 4 Heliax connectors I bought with the cable are Andrew connectors.
>>  I'm wondering when the Andrew web site will be back up. Is it based in
>> taiwan? I know they had problems there due to a major quake that shut  
>> many
>> things down.
>>  I have a fairly good assortment on other N connectors, various brands
>> that don't give me a real clue as to what cables they were actually made
>> for use with.
>>  Some I can usually simply use with whatever size cable jacket fits
>> through the gland nut...
>>  I should post a few part nubers and brands later.
>>
>>  Wayne WA2YNE
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:39:48 -0500, Glenn Little WB4UIV
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> The number before UG-1185/U is a cage code. This identifies who
>>> manufactured the
>>> item.
>>>
>>> In this case:
>>>
>>> AMPHENOL AEROSPACE - RF MICROWAVE CONNECTOR OPERATIONS
>>> ONE KENNEDY AVENUE
>>> DANBURY, CT 06810
>>> Cage Code: 74868
>>> Tel.: 1-800-627-7100
>>>
>>> It is a marked Amphenol connector.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Glenn
>>> WB4UIV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 02:30 AM 4/24/2008, Wayne wrote:
>>>
>>> Cannot see any braid without undoing one of the N connectors on the  
>>> RG214
>>> jumper.
>>> Connectors are evidently not Amphenol, unless they didn't mark them as
>>> such. The cable says RG214/U. Connectors marked 74868 UG-1185/U Seems  
>>> to
>>> be good quality.
>>> No leakage that I can tell, and zero resistance from one end to the
>>> other, so should be good to go.
>>>
>>> Wayne WA2YNE
>>>
>>>
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Wayne]

  I could put the splice in a section of PVC large enough for the  
connectors, depending on the situation.
  I was looking at the cables on the local fire departments tower, and what  
a mess. Cables held in place with chunks of baling wire. One piece of  
cable flopping around in the wind, and no idea as to where it was  
connected.
  There are an odd assorment of antennas up there, including 2 4 bay folded  
dipole assemblies.
  I am joining the Volunteer fire department with an eye to helping with  
communications and other things that I can manage.
  One interesting item, only saw it through a shed window, is a, MTR2000  
and a set of duplexer cans. Hmm, I still have my good old standard  
Motorola key...
  It will be a while before I know what I will or won't be allowed to do.
  Another project may be finding out if the siren on the tower can be  
repaired or not. Could be something simple. That could be top priority.
  The tower itself is 27 meters tall according to the info on the FCC web  
site. maybe 85 feet, give or take...

  If I were to get permission to put my repeater there, and the antenna on  
the side of the tower, I would not be cutting the Heliax other than needed  
there. But would be sure to get something better than baling wire to hold  
it in place, ha ha ha...

  Wayne WA2YNE

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:25:29 -0500, Ralph Messer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Wayne
>
> If you use the "N" male female splice you might want to look at how much  
> flexing the cable will get.
>
> If this cable is "7/8" inch then the flex on the joint can be  
> catastrophic, especially if it is somewhere on a tower.
>
> I would suggest a pair of EIA flanges to make a good mechanically strong  
> splice.
> Andrew part numbers are L45R
>
> Ralph
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Ron Wright<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   To:  
> Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:54 AM
>   Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
>
>
>   Wayne,
>
>   One issue on the connectors for reconnecting coax.
>
>   Many make back to back type connectors for this. They are essentially  
> the back end of 2 connectors joined as one piece/connector. Mostly used  
> where a long feedline cannot be placed on one spool and must be joined  
> or for other applications needing a spice.
>
>   Would have lower loss and cost less than two connectors. More reliable  
> also.
>
>   73, ron, nn9ee/r
>
>   >From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com>>
>   >Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:21:01 CDT
>   >To:  
> Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>
>   >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
>
>   > Thanks, I had no way of knowing that. Tells me the connectors are  
> good
>   >parts.
>   > The 4 Heliax connectors I bought with the cable are Andrew  
> connectors.
>   > I'm wondering when the Andrew web site will be back up. Is it based  
> in
>   >taiwan? I know they had problems there due to a major quake that shut  
> many
>   >things down.
>   > I have a fairly good assortment on other N connectors, various brands
>   >that don't give me a real clue as to what cables they were actually  
> made
>   >for use with.
>   > Some I can usually simply use with whatever size cable jacket fits
>   >through the gland nut...
>   > I should post a few part nubers and brands later.
>   >
>   > Wayne WA2YNE
>   >
>   >On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:39:48 -0500, Glenn Little WB4UIV
>   ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:glennmaillist%40bellsouth.net>>  
> wrote:
>   >
>   >> The number before UG-1185/U is a cage code. This identifies who
>   >> manufactured the
>   >> item.
>   >>
>   >> In this case:
>   >>
>   >> AMPHENOL AEROSPACE - RF MICROWAVE CONNECTOR OPERATIONS
>   >> ONE KENNEDY AVENUE
>   >> DANBURY, CT 06810
>   >> Cage Code: 74868
>   >> Tel.: 1-800-627-7100
>   >>
>   >> It is a marked Amphenol connector.
>   >>
>   >> 73
>   >> Glenn
>   >> WB4UIV
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> At 02:30 AM 4/24/2008, Wayne wrote:
>   >>
>   >> Cannot see any braid without undoing one of the N connectors on the  
> RG214
>   >> jumper.
>   >> Connectors are evidently not Amphenol, unless they didn't mark them  
> as
>   >> such. The cable says RG214/U. Connectors marked 74868 UG-1185/U  
> Seems to
>   >> be good qualit

Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Ron Wright]

Neal,

Your point is a good one.  We don't know the whole story and many of our 
comments are for fun.  There may be a real good reason why this was done.

I am sure the owner is dealing with it.  It might have been done by the tower 
owner and one might be there free at his blessing.  One could complain, but 
then you might not have a site.  There are all kinds of reasons why this 
happened and for good reasons.

The type of splice would lead me to believe it had to be quick and dirty to get 
something important on the air.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: neal Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/22 Tue AM 07:44:46 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

>
>On a quick Note Ron
>If the repeater was for emergency services( Police,fire,ems or during a  
>storm)  ,and was a Must Get on the air at any cost that would save lives. I 
>would allow that stupid splice Until I was able to get the correct connectors 
>to make the Correct splice.
>and that would be the only reason.
>Better to be on air with a Crap splice than totally off the air  for a few 
>hours If its to save lives...  I know Its a Ham repeater.. how many Emergencys 
>are handled by Hams... ALOT
>
>Neal
>
>--- On Tue, 4/22/08, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 7:22 AM
>> Larry,
>> 
>> I thought the same thing except I would go for more 240
>> V...a good old TV transformer with about 800V would do. 
>> Also if you stand inside the building looking for smoke it
>> would lead to the user of the feedline.  Bet they would not
>> do it again.
>> 
>> Another approach is a high voltage, not enough to damage or
>> smoke the equipment, but enough so when the tech came to
>> service it got a surprise welcome.
>> 
>> This was obviously a poor and botched job.  The RG58 and
>> crummy splice tells one this person would not be working at
>> my site.  I would not even let them on the property to look.
>> 
>> 73, ron, n9ee/r
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >From: Larry Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Date: 2008/04/21 Mon PM 06:08:47 CDT
>> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
>> 
>> >
>> >At 05:43 PM 4/21/2008, you wrote:
>> >>I would think the one using the cable is the one
>> who cut it.
>> >
>> >Or at the very least is responsible - given that that
>> person's 
>> >equipment is connected.
>> >One cannot claim ignorance at a certain point ...
>> >And it is the CUTTING of the hardline that is the
>> criminal damage, 
>> >not the use of the antenna.
>> >
>> >Finally ... if nothing else - how about feeding some
>> 240 AC down the 
>> >line from the splice point to the offender's
>> equipment.
>> >
>> >Larry
>> >N5WLW 
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron Wright, N9EE
>> 727-376-6575
>> MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
>> Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
>> No tone, all are welcome.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
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> 


Ron Wright, N9EE
727-376-6575
MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
No tone, all are welcome.

Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[neal Newman]

 YEP...
 BTW RON  I have an Older 1000 controller . that is acting Funny. If I send it 
to ya can you check it out   maybe it needs to be updated..
Funny meaning   No mater what I try  It wont ID on inital keyup.. and looses  
Memory  I have to reporogram it...
 Let me know...   
Yep I agree with below.. I never take things Serious  But I can tell you 
about a Nightmare Im having with an insurance company since my house burnt down 
last year..

 NEal-KA2CAF


--- On Tue, 4/22/08, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 9:05 AM
> Neal,
> 
> Your point is a good one.  We don't know the whole
> story and many of our comments are for fun.  There may be a
> real good reason why this was done.
> 
> I am sure the owner is dealing with it.  It might have been
> done by the tower owner and one might be there free at his
> blessing.  One could complain, but then you might not have
> a site.  There are all kinds of reasons why this happened
> and for good reasons.
> 
> The type of splice would lead me to believe it had to be
> quick and dirty to get something important on the air.
> 
> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> 
> 
> 
> >From: neal Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: 2008/04/22 Tue AM 07:44:46 CDT
> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
> 
> >
> >On a quick Note Ron
> >If the repeater was for emergency services(
> Police,fire,ems or during a  storm)  ,and was a Must Get on
> the air at any cost that would save lives. I would allow
> that stupid splice Until I was able to get the correct
> connectors to make the Correct splice.
> >and that would be the only reason.
> >Better to be on air with a Crap splice than totally off
> the air  for a few hours If its to save lives...  I know Its
> a Ham repeater.. how many Emergencys are handled by Hams...
> ALOT....
> >
> >Neal
> >
> >--- On Tue, 4/22/08, Ron Wright
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad
> adapter
> >> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 7:22 AM
> >> Larry,
> >> 
> >> I thought the same thing except I would go for
> more 240
> >> V...a good old TV transformer with about 800V
> would do. 
> >> Also if you stand inside the building looking for
> smoke it
> >> would lead to the user of the feedline.  Bet they
> would not
> >> do it again.
> >> 
> >> Another approach is a high voltage, not enough to
> damage or
> >> smoke the equipment, but enough so when the tech
> came to
> >> service it got a surprise welcome.
> >> 
> >> This was obviously a poor and botched job.  The
> RG58 and
> >> crummy splice tells one this person would not be
> working at
> >> my site.  I would not even let them on the
> property to look.
> >> 
> >> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >From: Larry Wagoner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >Date: 2008/04/21 Mon PM 06:08:47 CDT
> >> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >> >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad
> adapter
> >> 
> >> >
> >> >At 05:43 PM 4/21/2008, you wrote:
> >> >>I would think the one using the cable is
> the one
> >> who cut it.
> >> >
> >> >Or at the very least is responsible - given
> that that
> >> person's 
> >> >equipment is connected.
> >> >One cannot claim ignorance at a certain point
> ...
> >> >And it is the CUTTING of the hardline that is
> the
> >> criminal damage, 
> >> >not the use of the antenna.
> >> >
> >> >Finally ... if nothing else - how about
> feeding some
> >> 240 AC down the 
> >> >line from the splice point to the
> offender's
> >> equipment.
> >> >
> >> >Larry
> >> >N5WLW 
> >> >
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Ron Wright, N9EE
> >> 727-376-6575
> >> MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
> >> Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
> >> No tone, all are welcome.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> >__
> >Be a better friend, newshound, and 
> >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now. 
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Ron Wright, N9EE
> 727-376-6575
> MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
> Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
> No tone, all are welcome.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

  

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Re: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Ron Wright]

Neal,

Sure send me the control and I'll take a look.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: neal Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/22 Tue AM 10:53:07 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

>
> YEP...
> BTW RON  I have an Older 1000 controller . that is acting Funny. If I send it 
> to ya can you check it out   maybe it needs to be updated..
>Funny meaning   No mater what I try  It wont ID on inital keyup.. and looses  
>Memory  I have to reporogram it...
> Let me know...   
>Yep I agree with below.. I never take things Serious  But I can tell you 
>about a Nightmare Im having with an insurance company since my house burnt 
>down last year..
>
>NEal-KA2CAF
>
>--- On Tue, 4/22/08, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 9:05 AM
>> Neal,
>> 
>> Your point is a good one.  We don't know the whole
>> story and many of our comments are for fun.  There may be a
>> real good reason why this was done.
>> 
>> I am sure the owner is dealing with it.  It might have been
>> done by the tower owner and one might be there free at his
>> blessing.  One could complain, but then you might not have
>> a site.  There are all kinds of reasons why this happened
>> and for good reasons.
>> 
>> The type of splice would lead me to believe it had to be
>> quick and dirty to get something important on the air.
>> 
>> 73, ron, n9ee/r
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >From: neal Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Date: 2008/04/22 Tue AM 07:44:46 CDT
>> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter
>> 
>> >
>> >On a quick Note Ron
>> >If the repeater was for emergency services(
>> Police,fire,ems or during a  storm)  ,and was a Must Get on
>> the air at any cost that would save lives. I would allow
>> that stupid splice Until I was able to get the correct
>> connectors to make the Correct splice.
>> >and that would be the only reason.
>> >Better to be on air with a Crap splice than totally off
>> the air  for a few hours If its to save lives...  I know Its
>> a Ham repeater.. how many Emergencys are handled by Hams...
>> ALOT
>> >
>> >Neal
>> >
>> >--- On Tue, 4/22/08, Ron Wright
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad
>> adapter
>> >> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 7:22 AM
>> >> Larry,
>> >> 
>> >> I thought the same thing except I would go for
>> more 240
>> >> V...a good old TV transformer with about 800V
>> would do. 
>> >> Also if you stand inside the building looking for
>> smoke it
>> >> would lead to the user of the feedline.  Bet they
>> would not
>> >> do it again.
>> >> 
>> >> Another approach is a high voltage, not enough to
>> damage or
>> >> smoke the equipment, but enough so when the tech
>> came to
>> >> service it got a surprise welcome.
>> >> 
>> >> This was obviously a poor and botched job.  The
>> RG58 and
>> >> crummy splice tells one this person would not be
>> working at
>> >> my site.  I would not even let them on the
>> property to look.
>> >> 
>> >> 73, ron, n9ee/r
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> >From: Larry Wagoner
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >Date: 2008/04/21 Mon PM 06:08:47 CDT
>> >> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad
>> adapter
>> >> 
>> >> >
>> >> >At 05:43 PM 4/21/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >>I would think the one using the cable is
>> the one
>> >> who cut it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Or at the very least is responsible - given
>> that that
>> >> person's 
>> >> >equipment is connected.
>> >> >One cannot claim ignorance at a certain point
>> ...
>> >> >And it is the CUTTING of the har