Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Keywan Najafi Tonekaboni]

Hi,

Am Montag, den 10.11.2014, 12:25 +0100 schrieb Alban Peignier:

> But it would be easier if we can organize an European Rivendell
> Conference :) Paris is a great place in spring ;)

I would join a European conference! :) What about a meeting during next
FOSDEM (February, Brussels)?

But I would also support the idea to improve documentation, howtos etc.
I tried it a few weeks ago, but the resonance wasn't really big.

Best, 

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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Rob Landry]

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014, Cowboy wrote:


On Thursday 06 November 2014 01:23:06 pm Brian McKelvey wrote:
 It's almost like the lexicon of knowledge is only picked up through 
on-the-job involvement and exposure to it,



We call it "job security.":)


Unfortunately, what tends to happen is the broadcasting facility gets 
sold, the new owners see an unfamiliar system with no documentation, and 
they immediately trash it and install something they know.


More often than not, they won't even buy the studio building, but will 
build new studios in the building that houses their other stations.


A colleague of mine was hired a few years ago as the GM of a public radio 
station owned by a small college down south. Two years later, the station 
was sold to Alabama Public Radio, which didn't even bother to build new 
studios; they only wanted the station as a repeater for their statewide 
network. The whole staff was let go.


Ain't no job security in this business.


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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Alban Peignier]

Hi all,

> A Rivendell conference would be great. It could either be stand alone
> or incorporated into either a General Radio Conference or perhaps a
> Linux Conference.

Indeed it's really a great idea. A lot of people have nice experiences
to share with Rivendell and the free software solutions.

But it would be easier if we can organize an European Rivendell
Conference :) Paris is a great place in spring ;)

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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Robert Jeffares]

I'd be a starter on a similar basis.

Robert


On 06/11/14 09:53, Geoff Barkman wrote:

Weather other New Zealand users would attend... I'm not sure.


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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Brian]

Good ideas, thanks for the leads :)

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Brandon Sossamon  wrote:

> ...or VNC out of a Windows machine.
>
> brandon sossamon
>  On Nov 7, 2014 4:49 AM, "Stephen Ward"  wrote:
>
>> The biggest problem I found with screen recording on Linux is most of
>> them have the audio get wildly out of sync with the video, obviously a big
>> problem when demoing Rivendell!
>>
>> That said I recently found that simplescreenrecorder works well with
>> syncing and I've been using it to do some Minecraft vids. I've not tried it
>> yet but it has JACK support:
>> http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/recording-game-audio/
>>
>> Steve (aukondk)
>>
>> On 7 November 2014 03:03, Brian McKelvey  wrote:
>>
>>> This is a great idea!  YouTube is awesome for this kind of thing.  I use
>>> it constantly to learn about other things, particularly hobbyist
>>> electronics (Arduono, raspberry Pi, etc.), and the maker movement.  I'd
>>> offer to work on making a few videos but I'm afraid I wouldn't be best
>>> suited to it because of the aforementioned issues.
>>>
>>> Anyone know of good screencast-oriented video capture software for Linux?
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Brandon Sossamon <
>>> brandon.sossa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd support a conference but it may make more sense to host a webinar
>>> for those too far away or without time to dedicate to the travel.  At
>>> minimum, a YouTube channel for how-to's.  Perhaps folks could submit
>>> suggestions for content and a topic (or a topic suggested by more than one
>>> individual) is chosen each week and a video is produced.  I've found some
>>> Linux YouTube channels are helpful just to understand it in a general sense
>>> which has helped me grasp the inner workings of RD a little better/faster.
>>>
>>> brandon sossamon
>>>
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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Brandon Sossamon]

...or VNC out of a Windows machine.

brandon sossamon
 On Nov 7, 2014 4:49 AM, "Stephen Ward"  wrote:

> The biggest problem I found with screen recording on Linux is most of them
> have the audio get wildly out of sync with the video, obviously a big
> problem when demoing Rivendell!
>
> That said I recently found that simplescreenrecorder works well with
> syncing and I've been using it to do some Minecraft vids. I've not tried it
> yet but it has JACK support:
> http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/recording-game-audio/
>
> Steve (aukondk)
>
> On 7 November 2014 03:03, Brian McKelvey  wrote:
>
>> This is a great idea!  YouTube is awesome for this kind of thing.  I use
>> it constantly to learn about other things, particularly hobbyist
>> electronics (Arduono, raspberry Pi, etc.), and the maker movement.  I'd
>> offer to work on making a few videos but I'm afraid I wouldn't be best
>> suited to it because of the aforementioned issues.
>>
>> Anyone know of good screencast-oriented video capture software for Linux?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Brandon Sossamon 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd support a conference but it may make more sense to host a webinar for
>> those too far away or without time to dedicate to the travel.  At minimum,
>> a YouTube channel for how-to's.  Perhaps folks could submit suggestions for
>> content and a topic (or a topic suggested by more than one individual) is
>> chosen each week and a video is produced.  I've found some Linux YouTube
>> channels are helpful just to understand it in a general sense which has
>> helped me grasp the inner workings of RD a little better/faster.
>>
>> brandon sossamon
>>
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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Stephen Ward]

The biggest problem I found with screen recording on Linux is most of them
have the audio get wildly out of sync with the video, obviously a big
problem when demoing Rivendell!

That said I recently found that simplescreenrecorder works well with
syncing and I've been using it to do some Minecraft vids. I've not tried it
yet but it has JACK support:
http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/recording-game-audio/

Steve (aukondk)

On 7 November 2014 03:03, Brian McKelvey  wrote:

> This is a great idea!  YouTube is awesome for this kind of thing.  I use
> it constantly to learn about other things, particularly hobbyist
> electronics (Arduono, raspberry Pi, etc.), and the maker movement.  I'd
> offer to work on making a few videos but I'm afraid I wouldn't be best
> suited to it because of the aforementioned issues.
>
> Anyone know of good screencast-oriented video capture software for Linux?
>
> Brian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 6, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Brandon Sossamon 
> wrote:
>
> I'd support a conference but it may make more sense to host a webinar for
> those too far away or without time to dedicate to the travel.  At minimum,
> a YouTube channel for how-to's.  Perhaps folks could submit suggestions for
> content and a topic (or a topic suggested by more than one individual) is
> chosen each week and a video is produced.  I've found some Linux YouTube
> channels are helpful just to understand it in a general sense which has
> helped me grasp the inner workings of RD a little better/faster.
>
> brandon sossamon
>
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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Brian McKelvey]

This is a great idea!  YouTube is awesome for this kind of thing.  I use it 
constantly to learn about other things, particularly hobbyist electronics 
(Arduono, raspberry Pi, etc.), and the maker movement.  I'd offer to work on 
making a few videos but I'm afraid I wouldn't be best suited to it because of 
the aforementioned issues.

Anyone know of good screencast-oriented video capture software for Linux?

Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Brandon Sossamon  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd support a conference but it may make more sense to host a webinar for 
> those too far away or without time to dedicate to the travel.  At minimum, a 
> YouTube channel for how-to's.  Perhaps folks could submit suggestions for 
> content and a topic (or a topic suggested by more than one individual) is 
> chosen each week and a video is produced.  I've found some Linux YouTube 
> channels are helpful just to understand it in a general sense which has 
> helped me grasp the inner workings of RD a little better/faster.
> 
> brandon sossamon
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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Brandon Sossamon]

I'd support a conference but it may make more sense to host a webinar for
those too far away or without time to dedicate to the travel.  At minimum,
a YouTube channel for how-to's.  Perhaps folks could submit suggestions for
content and a topic (or a topic suggested by more than one individual) is
chosen each week and a video is produced.  I've found some Linux YouTube
channels are helpful just to understand it in a general sense which has
helped me grasp the inner workings of RD a little better/faster.

brandon sossamon
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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Cowboy]

On Thursday 06 November 2014 01:23:06 pm Brian McKelvey wrote:
>  It's almost like the lexicon of knowledge is only picked up through 
> on-the-job involvement and exposure to it,

 We call it "job security.":)

 Truth be told, you are right !
 Like many fields, the terms and jargon *as used* are often picked up
 only through association with the field.
 As an apprentice, if you will.

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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Brian McKelvey]

I second the move to documentation.  I honestly don't have nearly as much the 
Rivendell experience as many others here.  I have it installed on a machine in 
my office but am not using it for anything still, despite interest, because the 
task of learning how to use to its full potential is daunting.  For me, 
however, it's not daunting from a technical perspective: I'm totally confident 
in my ability to get up and running on whatever kind of setup I would want to 
build.  I'm a software engineer who has been working deeply and daily with 
Linux since 1999.  The part that's difficult for me is all the legacy and 
industry-specific concepts, terminology, and jargon from the radio industry.

I started playing with Rivendell in about 2003 when I was going to school at 
Biola University, studying film audio engineering.  There was a basically-dead 
on-campus radio station that had been running a Winamp playlist on repeat, and 
the studio was full of old and broken gear and badly needed a new paint job, 
console repairs, new (non-fluorescent) lighting, etc., and also needed an 
actual radio automation system.  My friend and I were the only ones who had any 
interest, so we went in and re-did everything ourselves on a shoestring budget.

Because of my Linux experience, I was able to set it up with an NFS server to 
host the audio files and act as Windows domain controller with roaming profiles 
for the students to have their own accounts on the production machines and be 
able to add content to watch folders from their dorm rooms, etc.  I even wrote 
custom content ingestion and processing scripts.

What was missing for me, and still is to this day, is understanding what a lot 
of the radio-specific terminology even means.  The jargon used in radio is so 
unique and distinct from other areas of broadcast and especially different what 
I was most involved in, film production.  The radio industry seems to have 
different or special names for things things oftentimes that are different from 
how everyone else refers to them, and there are a lot of radio specific 
concepts or legacy concepts or metaphors that are long-since obsolete and 
probably should be done away with but we keep around because their usage is so 
entrenched amongst industry veterans.  Referring to "carts" and "cuts" for 
example.  Someone coming into this arena who's never worked with magnetic tape 
before and lived in the digital realm their entire lives wouldn't have the 
slightest idea what a "cart" was.

I guess my overly long-winded point is, I agree there is a very real need for 
documentation.  And not specifically technical documentation, but information 
about what radio automation even is, a complete rundown of exactly what it is, 
and what all the other parts that go with it are (3rd party traffic scheduling 
software, for example.)

I had to figure those terms and concepts out on my own, with little help or 
guidance, mostly by trial and error, pushing buttons and entering data to see 
what happened.  There's still a good easily 50% of the concepts and UI in 
Rivendell that I still have absolutely no idea whatsoever what it might be used 
for.  "Clocks," "dayparts", "scheduler codes", I have only a surface-level idea 
about those things, but not enough to really understand how to use the music 
scheduler, so I've always been stuck with manually created logs.  For years, up 
until recently, I had absolutely no idea what on earth was meant by "traffic."  
The only thing I could imagine was that it had something to do with reporters 
talking about morning-drive freeway congestion.  I understand now that it has 
to do with scheduling and tracking ads, PSAs, promos, etc., but only a surface 
level understanding... There's probably more that's encompassed?  (And 
"traffic?"  Really?  What on earth do ads and promos have to do with "traffic?" 
 I'm sure there's a totally logical and historical explanation for why it's 
called traffic, but given that I can't imagine what it might be, that's a clear 
indication that we ought to start migrating towards a more modern and clear 
term)

Mind you, I'm extremely adept at using Google to find answers.  I rarely post 
asking for help, especially when I feel like I should be able to find the 
answers on my own.  But Google isn't always terribly helpful at finding 
information about concepts and terminology that are uniquely used by 
radio-industry professionals.  It's almost like the lexicon of knowledge is 
only picked up through on-the-job involvement and exposure to it, and then when 
people do post or discuss things online, there's a base assumption that 
everyone already knows the concepts.  I've seen relatively few resources geared 
toward someone from the outside trying to learn the language.

The concepts & terminology around music and traffic scheduling, for example, 
are so daunting that on multiple occasions I'd almost considered diving into 
the MySQL schema and just writing my own mu

Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Cowboy]

On Thursday 06 November 2014 11:08:59 am you wrote:
>  The NAB
> is great but you won't get the much needed, thorough, explanation of
> Rivendell. 

 I disagree !
 We can make it happen.
 I will agree it's not going to happen standing at the booth *during*
 the show, but that's not all that's available.

 Moreso, schedule your flight a day early, and you might be surprised
 at how much can be had in that "before the show" period.
 A day after might also be possible. ( as well as easing flight arrangements )
 If you bought a support agreement, possibly both !   ;)

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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Kelly Rasulo]

I would go and appreciate the one on one attention to Rivendell.  The NAB
is great but you won't get the much needed, thorough, explanation of
Rivendell.  I would also want to send others in our organization, like our
Linux IT specialist, who is not too familiar with Rivendell...Of course
this depends on the date.

Thank you for your desire to do this.

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On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Cowboy  wrote:

> On Wednesday 05 November 2014 03:28:40 pm b B wrote:
> > Has there been a Rivendell all-users conference?
>
>  Kinda sorta, but not really.
>
>  Best, is the NAB Spring show, since the bulk of professional broadcasters
>  are there anyway, from everywhere in the world.
>  That way, there are many, MANY things to afford cost justification,
>  and setting up a users group meeting would be trivial.
>  Free passes are so easy to come by, it's hardly worth mentioning.
>  Shows are scheduled years in advance, so scheduling is well known.
>  Show accommodations often afford reasonable discounts, and NAB itself
>  provides transportation from the NAB deal hotels, so you don't even
>  need a car.
>  Not to mention, usually years preview of the "toys" of the trade
>  To me, the only down-side, is that it's always in Vegas !
>
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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Cowboy]

On Wednesday 05 November 2014 03:28:40 pm b B wrote:
> Has there been a Rivendell all-users conference? 

 Kinda sorta, but not really.

 Best, is the NAB Spring show, since the bulk of professional broadcasters
 are there anyway, from everywhere in the world.
 That way, there are many, MANY things to afford cost justification,
 and setting up a users group meeting would be trivial.
 Free passes are so easy to come by, it's hardly worth mentioning.
 Shows are scheduled years in advance, so scheduling is well known.
 Show accommodations often afford reasonable discounts, and NAB itself
 provides transportation from the NAB deal hotels, so you don't even
 need a car.
 Not to mention, usually years preview of the "toys" of the trade
 To me, the only down-side, is that it's always in Vegas !

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Re: [RDD] Conference?

[Geoff Barkman]

Hi Andrew
 A Rivendell conference would be great. It could either be stand alone
or incorporated into either a General Radio Conference or perhaps a
Linux Conference.
 I'm in New Zealand and I know of at least 4 other stations in New
Zealand that use it, but for myself and my wife to attend the
conference it would require 6 months or more notification so we can
book international airfares and annual leave too so we could explore
more of the USA, since we are travelling a great distance.

 Weather other New Zealand users would attend... I'm not sure.
Many thanks
Geoff Barkman
Dunedin New Zealand

On 11/6/14, b B  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Has there been a Rivendell all-users conference? For example, speakers
> teaching both broad and particular how-to sessions, people bringing their
> unique setups, vendors showing systems and support, new feature
> speculations, coders forums, LAN topologies for different types of machine
> purposes, switcher/gpio vendors, etc. Mostly the idea would be how-to
> education.
>
> If I put together a conference, hosted in Southern California,  where costs
> were "at cost", would there be interest? Would you come?
>
> My interest would be Christian radio and so the conference would be sure to
> serve that user group, but everyone would be invited.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
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