Re: [sage-support] Re: sagetex: granular builds for large documents

2009-12-02 Thread Laurent

> I don't know how far Dan's
> ideas are, but there is one immediate hack i can suggest you: Just
> create PDF files for each chapter and then stick them together using a
> PDF-merge tool. 
With Ubuntu :
apt-get install pdftk
pdftk *.pdf cat output combined.pdf


Laurent

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Re: [sage-support] Re: sagetex: granular builds for large documents

2009-12-01 Thread Dima Pasechnik
one can just use pdfpages in (pdf) LaTeX:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pdfpages}
\begin{document}
\includepdf[pages=-]{bla}
\includepdf[pages=-]{foo}
\end{document}

creates a pdf document consisting of bla.pdf followed by foo.pdf

2009/12/2 Marshall Hampton :
> I use pyPdf to glue pdfs together, its nice if you already like python
> and want to automate such tasks:
>
> http://pybrary.net/pyPdf/
>
> -Marshall
>
> On Dec 1, 5:11 pm, Harald Schilly  wrote:
>> On Dec 1, 8:44 pm, Eric Drechsel  wrote:
>>
>> >  1. Is it possible to have a master document that includes a bunch of
>> > complete subdocuments?
>>
>> The main "problem" is, that you may happen to define a variable in the
>> beginning and modify it later and in the end it is used. Therefore
>> there is no mechanism to break this chain apart and everything you
>> define lives along a full sage session. I don't know how far Dan's
>> ideas are, but there is one immediate hack i can suggest you: Just
>> create PDF files for each chapter and then stick them together using a
>> PDF-merge tool. I haven't done it yet, but i guess it's simple to
>> create one big pdf file merging several pdf documents.
>>
>> H
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[sage-support] Re: sagetex: granular builds for large documents

2009-12-01 Thread Marshall Hampton
I use pyPdf to glue pdfs together, its nice if you already like python
and want to automate such tasks:

http://pybrary.net/pyPdf/

-Marshall

On Dec 1, 5:11 pm, Harald Schilly  wrote:
> On Dec 1, 8:44 pm, Eric Drechsel  wrote:
>
> >  1. Is it possible to have a master document that includes a bunch of
> > complete subdocuments?
>
> The main "problem" is, that you may happen to define a variable in the
> beginning and modify it later and in the end it is used. Therefore
> there is no mechanism to break this chain apart and everything you
> define lives along a full sage session. I don't know how far Dan's
> ideas are, but there is one immediate hack i can suggest you: Just
> create PDF files for each chapter and then stick them together using a
> PDF-merge tool. I haven't done it yet, but i guess it's simple to
> create one big pdf file merging several pdf documents.
>
> H

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[sage-support] Re: sagetex: granular builds for large documents

2009-12-01 Thread Eric Drechsel
Hi Harald, thanks for the suggestion, I had thought of that too. It
seems like a viable route. Each subdocument ends up on its own set of
pages, but I guess that's the case when using \include too.

-- Eric

On Dec 1, 3:11 pm, Harald Schilly  wrote:
> On Dec 1, 8:44 pm, Eric Drechsel  wrote:
>
> >  1. Is it possible to have a master document that includes a bunch of
> > complete subdocuments?
>
> The main "problem" is, that you may happen to define a variable in the
> beginning and modify it later and in the end it is used. Therefore
> there is no mechanism to break this chain apart and everything you
> define lives along a full sage session. I don't know how far Dan's
> ideas are, but there is one immediate hack i can suggest you: Just
> create PDF files for each chapter and then stick them together using a
> PDF-merge tool. I haven't done it yet, but i guess it's simple to
> create one big pdf file merging several pdf documents.
>
> H

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[sage-support] Re: sagetex: granular builds for large documents

2009-12-01 Thread Eric Drechsel


On Dec 1, 3:30 pm, Dan Drake  wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
>
>
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 at 11:44AM -0800, Eric Drechsel wrote:
> > I'm experimenting with a homework workflow using sagetex. I'd like to
> > make efficient use of resources, which seems to be a (the?) major
> > deficiency with sagetex, especially with large documents.
>
> > My initial thought was that by placing each problem in an included
> > file, I could have my build tool generate individual problem_x.sage
> > and problem_x.sout files only for problems with changes, and keep the
> > master tex file as a simple list of includes. I see now that that
> > can't work, however, at least with my limited knowledge of TeX tricks.
>
> > So I'm asking the group for ideas. Starters:
>
> >  1. Is it possible to have a master document that includes a bunch of
> > complete subdocuments? If so, one could simply keep the master
> > document clean of sagetex references, and build each subdocument
> > separately.
>
> My first thought is, if you're talking about using a master document and
> compile times for your homework...you have way too much homework. :)
>
> I don't know about keeping the master document clean of SageTeX
> references, but by using \include, you can keep things separated, and
> you can even compile only part of the document using \includeonly.

Yes, I found out about \includeonly from [1] shortly after posting,
and I think that's what I'll do in the short term (homework being due
Thursday and all :).

[1] http://web.science.mq.edu.au/~rdale/resources/writingnotes/latexstruct.html

>
> One thing you can do with SageTeX to make things go faster is to use the
> pause and unpause commands -- \sagetexpause and \sagetexunpause.
> Commands between those two don't get run when you run Sage on the .sage
> file. (SageTeX literally just comments those sections out in the .sage
> file.)

The issue I have with both \sagetexpause and \includeonly is that
they're not automate-able. Subdocuments seem like a good way to
integrate with build tools (since they can have timestamps etc)

> Actually, with the stuff I've done, the most time-consuming part of
> running Sage on the .sage file is simply startup time. Once it starts
> executing the commands, it generally goes really fast, but starting Sage
> takes a while.

Good point! Most documents are probably not so computationally
expensive as the examples file (which has lots of plots). Does sagetex-
remote help with this much, or is there still alot of overhead in
creating a new session on the server?

> I'll think about your per-file ideas, and about some kind of
> \includeonly stuff. Right now, though, it works document-wide.
>
> What would you like to see? Can you describe some commands or
> functionality that you would find helpful?

Unless you can think of a simple way to add support for generating
separate sage files per tex file (which would also require changing
the way .sout files are included I guess?), it doesn't seem worth the
trouble. I can't begin to read sagetex.sty, so I can't really evaluate
what's a reasonable feature request.

Thanks for your thoughtful response!

Regarding the build tool, I'm using SCons, with which this is my first
experience, and so far I'm liking the flexibility and extensibility
alot. My example project with SConstruct file is here [2]

[2] http://wiki.shared.dre.am/electricity_and_magnetism/probset7/
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[sage-support] Re: sagetex: granular builds for large documents

2009-12-01 Thread Harald Schilly
On Dec 1, 8:44 pm, Eric Drechsel  wrote:
>  1. Is it possible to have a master document that includes a bunch of
> complete subdocuments?

The main "problem" is, that you may happen to define a variable in the
beginning and modify it later and in the end it is used. Therefore
there is no mechanism to break this chain apart and everything you
define lives along a full sage session. I don't know how far Dan's
ideas are, but there is one immediate hack i can suggest you: Just
create PDF files for each chapter and then stick them together using a
PDF-merge tool. I haven't done it yet, but i guess it's simple to
create one big pdf file merging several pdf documents.

H

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