Re: CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2
Thanks Bob. I did not know this. Another great use for a great supplement! Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- 20,000 mg of Vit. C per hour are needed to neutralize snake venom... it can be ingested as well as IV.
Re: CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2
Here's some info on electric shock for bites = http://www.echotech.org/technical/az/aztext/azch11di.htm#Elec On 7/2/09, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: Hi Jean, I've never been nailed by a brown recluse - yet - but have been interested in therapies for various venomous critters since rattlers, scorpions, black widows and some pretty nasty hornets and ants live hereabout. One of these therapies is a remedy for normally 100% fatal snake bites, and for the moment I can't remember the species or the location other than semi-tropical. The remedy however was to apply electric shock to the site of the bite - as from a lawnmower spark-plug, though piezo-electric barbecue lighters, etc have also been suggested - to the area of the bite. The suggestion was that the electric ZAP altered the chemistry of the venom, rendering it harmless. So perhaps the thera-pik has more to do with it than simply pain reduction? (BTW, enzymes are not alive, they're like organic facilitators for reactions, but your analogy makes sense.) If I track down the reference for the info on the snake-bite thing I'll post it, seems a brief shock might beat weeks of pain and tissue necrosis. Thanks for continuing the story, never mind the piffles, they litter the landscape. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 20:22 -0500, Jean Baugh wrote: Hi, I got sidetracked by a 'piffle' but here is the last part of the Brown Recluse Spider bite story. I had approximately 8 months to think about what to do if this ever happened again, so was prepared. Even then I panicked, thinking about how much pain and length of time would be involved if I was wrong. I'd been cleaning cobwebs with a long handled brush, the exact same thing I'd been doing the first time. It is a shed that builds up with spiders and webs because it is dry and ideal for them. I was very careful this time, to make sure I didn't stand under when cleaning the webs. I then took a letter to the mailbox and by the time I got back to the porch, I felt an intense itch, a '10' on the scale. I pulled my jeans up and saw a glowing red bubble about the size of my little finger. I ran for the house and found the 'Thera Pik'. This is a 9 V battery operated gadget that will stop chigger bites, wasp bites etc, but is NOT recommended for spider bites. It works by heat and kills the enzyme from the bites. Since the Epsom Salts worked so well, considering, the first time, I rationalized it might very well work if you used it before the bite spread. I used the 'Thera Pik' and never once felt the heat, which is not a good sign. When my finger got tired, I released the trigger. There was quite an indention around the bite but the itching had stopped. This was on my shin between my knee and instep. By then, with the first emergency out of the way, I realized I had a second bite on the same leg, in the groin. Again, used the 'Thera Pik' but the heat was felt after awhile, unlike the first bite. I then used the 'Thera Pik' a second time on the first bite and finally felt some heat after awhile. I then used hydrogen peroxide, colloidal sliver, oil of oregano, would have used some ozonated olive oil but couldn't find it, then thought of bagging and using ozone. I just wrapped the areas with plastic wrap and ran the hose under for awhile. Both bites felt very intense, not itchy but like a volcano might feel, about to erupt. I then thought of using some bentonite clay and paper tape. It felt very soothing. I kept the clay and paper tape going for 5 days and then quit since there was no reason to continue. If I ever have to do this again, would definitely use the 'Thera Pik, clay and paper tape. Also the ozone, since I have it. My opinion is, the 'Thera Pik' killed the BRS enzyme and the clay soothed and enhanced the heat therapy. The ozone was good insurance. Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2
I've been talking with a lady from Australia that says an IV of vit. C has saved many dogs lives after getting bitten by extremely poisonous snakes there. Usually these bites are fatal, so it is important to get that IV right away. But I had not thought of vit. C for snake bites before. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- I've never been nailed by a brown recluse - yet - but have been interested in therapies for various venomous critters since rattlers, scorpions, black widows and some pretty nasty hornets and ants live hereabout. One of these therapies is a remedy for normally 100% fatal snake bites, and for the moment I can't remember the species or the location other than semi-tropical.
Re: CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2
Jean, Thank you so much for sharing your story! Marvelous results and great information on 'tactics' if anyone else encounters this. Amazing! Thanks again! Ruth - Original Message - From: Jean Baugh To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2 Hi, I got sidetracked by a 'piffle' but here is the last part of the Brown Recluse Spider bite story. I had approximately 8 months to think about what to do if this ever happened again, so was prepared. Even then I panicked, thinking about how much pain and length of time would be involved if I was wrong. I'd been cleaning cobwebs with a long handled brush, the exact same thing I'd been doing the first time. It is a shed that builds up with spiders and webs because it is dry and ideal for them. I was very careful this time, to make sure I didn't stand under when cleaning the webs. I then took a letter to the mailbox and by the time I got back to the porch, I felt an intense itch, a '10' on the scale. I pulled my jeans up and saw a glowing red bubble about the size of my little finger. I ran for the house and found the 'Thera Pik'. This is a 9 V battery operated gadget that will stop chigger bites, wasp bites etc, but is NOT recommended for spider bites. It works by heat and kills the enzyme from the bites. Since the Epsom Salts worked so well, considering, the first time, I rationalized it might very well work if you used it before the bite spread. I used the 'Thera Pik' and never once felt the heat, which is not a good sign. When my finger got tired, I released the trigger. There was quite an indention around the bite but the itching had stopped. This was on my shin between my knee and instep. By then, with the first emergency out of the way, I realized I had a second bite on the same leg, in the groin. Again, used the 'Thera Pik' but the heat was felt after awhile, unlike the first bite. I then used the 'Thera Pik' a second time on the first bite and finally felt some heat after awhile. I then used hydrogen peroxide, colloidal sliver, oil of oregano, would have used some ozonated olive oil but couldn't find it, then thought of bagging and using ozone. I just wrapped the areas with plastic wrap and ran the hose under for awhile. Both bites felt very intense, not itchy but like a volcano might feel, about to erupt. I then thought of using some bentonite clay and paper tape. It felt very soothing. I kept the clay and paper tape going for 5 days and then quit since there was no reason to continue. If I ever have to do this again, would definitely use the 'Thera Pik, clay and paper tape. Also the ozone, since I have it. My opinion is, the 'Thera Pik' killed the BRS enzyme and the clay soothed and enhanced the heat therapy. The ozone was good insurance. Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2
Renee, 20,000 mg of Vit. C per hour are needed to neutralize snake venom... it can be ingested as well as IV. Bob - Original Message - From: Gaiacita To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:13 AM Subject: Re: CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2 I've been talking with a lady from Australia that says an IV of vit. C has saved many dogs lives after getting bitten by extremely poisonous snakes there. Usually these bites are fatal, so it is important to get that IV right away. But I had not thought of vit. C for snake bites before. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- I've never been nailed by a brown recluse - yet - but have been interested in therapies for various venomous critters since rattlers, scorpions, black widows and some pretty nasty hornets and ants live hereabout. One of these therapies is a remedy for normally 100% fatal snake bites, and for the moment I can't remember the species or the location other than semi-tropical.
CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2
Hi, I got sidetracked by a 'piffle' but here is the last part of the Brown Recluse Spider bite story. I had approximately 8 months to think about what to do if this ever happened again, so was prepared. Even then I panicked, thinking about how much pain and length of time would be involved if I was wrong. I'd been cleaning cobwebs with a long handled brush, the exact same thing I'd been doing the first time. It is a shed that builds up with spiders and webs because it is dry and ideal for them. I was very careful this time, to make sure I didn't stand under when cleaning the webs. I then took a letter to the mailbox and by the time I got back to the porch, I felt an intense itch, a '10' on the scale. I pulled my jeans up and saw a glowing red bubble about the size of my little finger. I ran for the house and found the 'Thera Pik'. This is a 9 V battery operated gadget that will stop chigger bites, wasp bites etc, but is NOT recommended for spider bites. It works by heat and kills the enzyme from the bites. Since the Epsom Salts worked so well, considering, the first time, I rationalized it might very well work if you used it before the bite spread. I used the 'Thera Pik' and never once felt the heat, which is not a good sign. When my finger got tired, I released the trigger. There was quite an indention around the bite but the itching had stopped. This was on my shin between my knee and instep. By then, with the first emergency out of the way, I realized I had a second bite on the same leg, in the groin. Again, used the 'Thera Pik' but the heat was felt after awhile, unlike the first bite. I then used the 'Thera Pik' a second time on the first bite and finally felt some heat after awhile. I then used hydrogen peroxide, colloidal sliver, oil of oregano, would have used some ozonated olive oil but couldn't find it, then thought of bagging and using ozone. I just wrapped the areas with plastic wrap and ran the hose under for awhile. Both bites felt very intense, not itchy but like a volcano might feel, about to erupt. I then thought of using some bentonite clay and paper tape. It felt very soothing. I kept the clay and paper tape going for 5 days and then quit since there was no reason to continue. If I ever have to do this again, would definitely use the 'Thera Pik, clay and paper tape. Also the ozone, since I have it. My opinion is, the 'Thera Pik' killed the BRS enzyme and the clay soothed and enhanced the heat therapy. The ozone was good insurance. Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2
Thank you. I am amazed you recovered from the bites so well. Even if it had been a MRSA bite I think what you did would have worked for that too. Although I have heard those MRSA bites hurt. Especially if they get infected. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Jean Baugh oldgl...@bigcountry.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu Jul 02 20:22:05 2009 Subject: CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2 Hi, I got sidetracked by a 'piffle' but here is the last part of the Brown Recluse Spider bite story. I had approximately 8 months to think about what to do if this ever happened again, so was prepared. Even then I panicked, thinking about how much pain and length of time would be involved if I was wrong. I'd been cleaning cobwebs with a long handled brush, the exact same thing I'd been doing the first time. It is a shed that builds up with spiders and webs because it is dry and ideal for them. I was very careful this time, to make sure I didn't stand under when cleaning the webs. I then took a letter to the mailbox and by the time I got back to the porch, I felt an intense itch, a '10' on the scale. I pulled my jeans up and saw a glowing red bubble about the size of my little finger. I ran for the house and found the 'Thera Pik'. This is a 9 V battery operated gadget that will stop chigger bites, wasp bites etc, but is NOT recommended for spider bites. It works by heat and kills the enzyme from the bites. Since the Epsom Salts worked so well, considering, the first time, I rationalized it might very well work if you used it before the bite spread. I used the 'Thera Pik' and never once felt the heat, which is not a good sign. When my finger got tired, I released the trigger. There was quite an indention around the bite but the itching had stopped. This was on my shin between my knee and instep. By then, with the first emergency out of the way, I realized I had a second bite on the same leg, in the groin. Again, used the 'Thera Pik' but the heat was felt after awhile, unlike the first bite. I then used the 'Thera Pik' a second time on the first bite and finally felt some heat after awhile. I then used hydrogen peroxide, colloidal sliver, oil of oregano, would have used some ozonated olive oil but couldn't find it, then thought of bagging and using ozone. I just wrapped the areas with plastic wrap and ran the hose under for awhile. Both bites felt very intense, not itchy but like a volcano might feel, about to erupt. I then thought of using some bentonite clay and paper tape. It felt very soothing. I kept the clay and paper tape going for 5 days and then quit since there was no reason to continue. If I ever have to do this again, would definitely use the 'Thera Pik, clay and paper tape. Also the ozone, since I have it. My opinion is, the 'Thera Pik' killed the BRS enzyme and the clay soothed and enhanced the heat therapy. The ozone was good insurance. Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBrown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2
Hi Jean, I've never been nailed by a brown recluse - yet - but have been interested in therapies for various venomous critters since rattlers, scorpions, black widows and some pretty nasty hornets and ants live hereabout. One of these therapies is a remedy for normally 100% fatal snake bites, and for the moment I can't remember the species or the location other than semi-tropical. The remedy however was to apply electric shock to the site of the bite - as from a lawnmower spark-plug, though piezo-electric barbecue lighters, etc have also been suggested - to the area of the bite. The suggestion was that the electric ZAP altered the chemistry of the venom, rendering it harmless. So perhaps the thera-pik has more to do with it than simply pain reduction? (BTW, enzymes are not alive, they're like organic facilitators for reactions, but your analogy makes sense.) If I track down the reference for the info on the snake-bite thing I'll post it, seems a brief shock might beat weeks of pain and tissue necrosis. Thanks for continuing the story, never mind the piffles, they litter the landscape. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 20:22 -0500, Jean Baugh wrote: Hi, I got sidetracked by a 'piffle' but here is the last part of the Brown Recluse Spider bite story. I had approximately 8 months to think about what to do if this ever happened again, so was prepared. Even then I panicked, thinking about how much pain and length of time would be involved if I was wrong. I'd been cleaning cobwebs with a long handled brush, the exact same thing I'd been doing the first time. It is a shed that builds up with spiders and webs because it is dry and ideal for them. I was very careful this time, to make sure I didn't stand under when cleaning the webs. I then took a letter to the mailbox and by the time I got back to the porch, I felt an intense itch, a '10' on the scale. I pulled my jeans up and saw a glowing red bubble about the size of my little finger. I ran for the house and found the 'Thera Pik'. This is a 9 V battery operated gadget that will stop chigger bites, wasp bites etc, but is NOT recommended for spider bites. It works by heat and kills the enzyme from the bites. Since the Epsom Salts worked so well, considering, the first time, I rationalized it might very well work if you used it before the bite spread. I used the 'Thera Pik' and never once felt the heat, which is not a good sign. When my finger got tired, I released the trigger. There was quite an indention around the bite but the itching had stopped. This was on my shin between my knee and instep. By then, with the first emergency out of the way, I realized I had a second bite on the same leg, in the groin. Again, used the 'Thera Pik' but the heat was felt after awhile, unlike the first bite. I then used the 'Thera Pik' a second time on the first bite and finally felt some heat after awhile. I then used hydrogen peroxide, colloidal sliver, oil of oregano, would have used some ozonated olive oil but couldn't find it, then thought of bagging and using ozone. I just wrapped the areas with plastic wrap and ran the hose under for awhile. Both bites felt very intense, not itchy but like a volcano might feel, about to erupt. I then thought of using some bentonite clay and paper tape. It felt very soothing. I kept the clay and paper tape going for 5 days and then quit since there was no reason to continue. If I ever have to do this again, would definitely use the 'Thera Pik, clay and paper tape. Also the ozone, since I have it. My opinion is, the 'Thera Pik' killed the BRS enzyme and the clay soothed and enhanced the heat therapy. The ozone was good insurance. Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
