Re: [RCSE] Epoxy odors

2006-08-25 Thread junk1
 Is there an odorless epoxy on the market I can use for servo mounts and 
 other similar applications/  I'm not talking about glassing wings or 
 building a fuse, just simple installation jobs where a small amount of 
 epoxy is needed.

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Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


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Re: [RCSE] Epoxy odors

2006-08-25 Thread Robert Samuels
I'm no expert on adhesives but I don't experience any odor problem (or any 
odor) when using hobby shop epoxy.  However the polyester stuff has a very 
strong and unpleasant odor.  Could you have gotten that by mistake?


Robert Samuels ... St. Louis





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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:24:36 -0700

 Is there an odorless epoxy on the market I can use for servo mounts and
 other similar applications/  I'm not talking about glassing wings or
 building a fuse, just simple installation jobs where a small amount of
 epoxy is needed.

2 words.. Exhaust Fan!


Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


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RE: [RCSE] Epoxy Odors

2006-08-25 Thread George Voss
Like I said, I'm no chemist.  Thanks for straightening all of out Jim.  Now
back to our regularly scheduled program.  gv

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Subject: [RCSE] Epoxy Odors

Sorry to disagree with you George, but you're wrong.  Almost all epoxy
systems consist of two parts.  One is the epoxy resin, the clear, gooey,
essentially odorless component.  This piece contains epoxide linkages at
each end of each moledule which are just waiting for something to interact
with them.  The other part, the catalyst, is a diamine, which is a
compound with a reactive functional group at each end of each molecule.
This is the component that stinks, and will turn yellow with age.  Since it
is a diamine, it will interact with water (you can wash the catalyst
container, and yourself with soap and water, unlike the resin).  The diamine
is also a sensitizer to both the skin and lungs, and the reason some people
develop allergic reactions to epoxy systems.  

Here is a little test you can do yourself.  Take a few drops of the catalyst
and place it in a few mL of water.  It will disolve.  If you try the same
thing with the epoxy resin, it will just sit there.  The resin requires an
organic solvent (like isopropyl alcohol or acetone) to disolve, while the
catalyst has both water soluble and organic soluble regions.  

The strong odor emanating from the epoxy system that started this thread
suggests that the diamine catalyst is old, or has broken down somewhat.
This tells me that the cured epoxy matrix that will result will not be as
strong as if the components were fresh, since the chain lengths of the
polymer (yes, that is what epoxy is) will be more varied than if the fresh
components had polymerized.

Hope this helps.

Jim Thomas, Ph.D. Organic Chemistry, 1979 
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