Re: [Standards] XEP-0136: Message Archiving moved to Deprecated

2017-11-16 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov 
Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:50:55 +0300
Kozlov Konstantin  wrote:

> It's a nice idea to recommend experimental XEP's.

I agree with your irony, but this is the case where formal rules don't
work as planned.
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Re: [Standards] XEP-0136: Message Archiving moved to Deprecated

2017-11-16 Thread Kozlov Konstantin 
It's a nice idea to recommend experimental XEP's.16.11.2017, 11:45, "Evgeny Khramtsov" :Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:42:58 +0300Kozlov Konstantin  wrote: Bad thing is that developers of new clents don't know which XEP to implement. XEP-0136 (which is deprecated) or XEP-0313 (which is still experimental and may be deferred, retracted and so on).MAM is recommended by the compliance suite.___Standards mailing listInfo: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standardsUnsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org__
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Re: [Standards] XEP-0136: Message Archiving moved to Deprecated

2017-11-16 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov 
Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:42:58 +0300
Kozlov Konstantin  wrote:

> Bad thing is that developers of new clents don't know which XEP to
> implement. XEP-0136 (which is deprecated) or XEP-0313 (which is still
> experimental and may be deferred, retracted and so on).

MAM is recommended by the compliance suite.
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Re: [Standards] XEP-0136: Message Archiving moved to Deprecated

2017-11-16 Thread Kozlov Konstantin 
Bad thing is that developers of new clents don't know which XEP to implement.XEP-0136 (which is deprecated) or XEP-0313 (which is still experimental and may be deferred, retracted and so on).16.11.2017, 11:12, "Dave Cridland" :On 16 Nov 2017 7:43 am, "Kozlov Konstantin"  wrote:Too bad...XEP-0313 is still experimental and XEP-0136 is deprecated already.No, it's a good thing. While MAM isn't quite Draft yet, the council was confident it will be very soon, and is clearly what we want new implementations to be doing.Deprecated didn't mean that people must not implement, and certainly not that they must remove existing code - it means that we don't think a new client or server should go that route today.16.11.2017, 00:25, "Sam Whited" :Hi all,This email is to let you know that XEP-0136: Message Archiving [1] hasbeen moved to a stats of Deprecated per a vote of the Council. The newversion will be published and live on the website soon.—Sam[1]: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0136.html___Standards mailing listInfo: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standardsUnsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org___
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Re: [Standards] XEP-0136: Message Archiving moved to Deprecated

2017-11-16 Thread Dave Cridland 
On 16 Nov 2017 7:43 am, "Kozlov Konstantin"  wrote:

Too bad...
XEP-0313 is still experimental and XEP-0136 is deprecated already.


No, it's a good thing. While MAM isn't quite Draft yet, the council was
confident it will be very soon, and is clearly what we want new
implementations to be doing.

Deprecated didn't mean that people must not implement, and certainly not
that they must remove existing code - it means that we don't think a new
client or server should go that route today.




16.11.2017, 00:25, "Sam Whited" :

Hi all,

This email is to let you know that XEP-0136: Message Archiving [1] has
been moved to a stats of Deprecated per a vote of the Council. The new
version will be published and live on the website soon.

—Sam

[1]: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0136.html
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Re: [Standards] XEP-0136: Message Archiving moved to Deprecated

2017-11-15 Thread Kozlov Konstantin 
Too bad...XEP-0313 is still experimental and XEP-0136 is deprecated already.16.11.2017, 00:25, "Sam Whited" :Hi all,This email is to let you know that XEP-0136: Message Archiving [1] hasbeen moved to a stats of Deprecated per a vote of the Council. The newversion will be published and live on the website soon.—Sam[1]: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0136.html___Standards mailing listInfo: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standardsUnsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org___
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[Standards] XEP-0136: Message Archiving moved to Deprecated

2017-11-15 Thread Sam Whited 
Hi all,

This email is to let you know that XEP-0136: Message Archiving [1] has
been moved to a stats of Deprecated per a vote of the Council. The new
version will be published and live on the website soon.

—Sam

[1]: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0136.html
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