Re: [sugar] Community/OLPC Server Support Discussion
On Feb 19, 2008 8:15 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Friends, > > Chris Ball and I would like to spend a few minutes, perhaps at > > 8:20 PM EST, Monday, Feb. 25 in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org > Would it be possible to have the meeting at 3:30 PM EST, Thursday, Feb. 21st? -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Community/OLPC Server Support Discussion
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Bernardo Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can we postpone it to a later date? 3:30 PM EST, Thursday, Feb. 21st? Earlier, but one I can make. -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] current network differentiation?
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:13:23PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: > Again, "Disconnect" and "turn off" the wireless and mesh > (respectively) seem to have quite intuitive semantics (to those not > familiar with MPP usage): turn off the radio, since I don't want to > use what it's providing (wireless or mesh connectivity). > > Martin That'll work as long as there isn't a noticable delay when visiting the network view (time between viewing and network survey) -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:20:44PM -0400, Kimberley Quirk wrote: > I don't think we want it to auto launch, but perhaps it should be the first > icon on the left. > > Thoughts on that? I havn't used joyride in a while, but IIRC (around build 2100) they scrapped the "bar" of activities in favour of a more "scattered on home" approach. I'm not sure what the best placement would be in this case. Maybe somewhere in the frame (forever, thus able to provide contextual assistance in the future), or as a throbbing icon on the home view (just for the first launch)? -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] "how to try Sugar page"
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:43:52PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > We need to put together a simple "how to try Sugar" page in the wiki > that is less geeky than the http://sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_system > page. Any thoughts on this? > > thanks. I'll be happy to write one up, although the earliest I could start would me monday. How about [[Get Sugar]], which will describe A) How to get a RPM/deb/whatever B) How to use a release tarball C) Jhbuild. -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] "how to try Sugar page"
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 04:21:52PM -0400, Bryan Kearney wrote: > FFM wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:43:52PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >>> We need to put together a simple "how to try Sugar" page in the wiki >>> that is less geeky than the http://sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_system >>> page. Any thoughts on this? >>> >>> thanks. >> >> I'll be happy to write one up, although the earliest I could start would me >> monday. >> >> How about [[Get Sugar]], which will describe >> A) How to get a RPM/deb/whatever >> B) How to use a release tarball >> C) Jhbuild. > > > I would start off with live* media (cds, usb, images, etc) Makes sense, although we want to explain the difference between them all. People running linux know enough already to skip down to A, B, or C if they want to. Does the livecd have also have an installer, or is it only just for live sessions? -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [OLPC library] Things I would like taken away from the wiki: Sign-up lists
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 04:23:04PM -0400, Seth Woodworth wrote: > There are few policies that we've been implementing from time to time on the > wiki that I would like to see go away. It's my belief that these policies > are hard to maintain, ill-scalable, and unsupportable as-is. I suggest that > we retire the following: > > == Sign up lists == > * Lists where people are encouraged to sign up to do a task or contribute to > a given project. > > There are several projects and pages that suggest that you sign-up to help > do '$variable'. There are several problems with this idea. > > There is no automatic mechanism in place to communicate to users who sign up > on a list. If I wanted to send a message to this list, I would have to wade > through User_talk: pages and communicate with each person individually each > time I want to make an announcement. This is compounded by the fact that > many users don't sign the page or add a link to their user page, and merely > type their names. We can say "sign with ". > I feel that a projects should have open task lists or joining a list or some > other mechanism than a sign up list. Alternatively, if someone were to > create a bot or tool that makes this ad-hoc list broadcasting function > (including making sure people are notified via email), I would be ecstatic. Such bots are in existance on the english wikipedia, they are also open source. The issue is that people don't know how easy it is to start a lists.l.o mailing list, we need to make that more obvious. That could fix much of this issue. -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [OLPC library] Things I would like taken away from the wiki: Sign-up lists
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 05:21:37PM -0400, Seth Woodworth wrote: > > > > > create a bot or tool that makes this ad-hoc list broadcasting function > > > (including making sure people are notified via email), I would be > > ecstatic. > > > > Such bots are in existance on the english wikipedia, they are also open > > source. > > > > The issue is that people don't know how easy it is to start a lists.l.o > > mailing > > list, we need to make that more obvious. That could fix much of this issue. > > > > Yes, they exist. But to create and maintain a bot, and then teaching people > to use it, and giving permissions to post to given lists of people? It's a > complex structure that does not currently exist and would be *more* work to > administer by hand. > > My point remains. The lists that exist on the wiki now, detract from > volunteering and currently provide no benefit as currently used. Ok, so the only other option for notification of users are mailing lists. The issue is that the process for creating a list is non-streamlined, and soon we'd have a huge amount of mailing lists at lists.l.o. I think tasklists are good as well (on wiki). -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Framework for managing the activities (=> symfony project)
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 10:50:59AM -0500, Bastien wrote: > Sébastien Adgnot just pointed me out that the guys behind the symfony > project have developed a plugin management framework for they own needs: > > http://www.symfony-project.org/ > http://www.symfony-project.org/plugins/ > http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2008/07/31/plugins-have-a-new-home > > The structure looks pretty neat, and maybe something like that could be > useful on top of the git page for the activities. Yeah, I heard someone was working on using the code from http://addons.mozilla.org. -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list)
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 10:43:30AM -0500, Bastien wrote: > "Martin Langhoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > FWIW, Sugar + activities are still somewhat tightly coupled, as Sugar > > and the underlying OS API are changing. As long as that is true, to > > maintain an activity to a good standard, you have to keep an eye on > > devel@ and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > My rule of thumb is to try and keep people together -- recommending > > filters sometimes -- until the traffic gets so heavy *and* a distinct > > subcommunity can be split off. IMHO neither is true here (yet!). > > (Fair enough. In any case, my awareness about Sugar and the activities > development is not strong enough to dispute about the relevance of such > a list -- 'was just dropping a few opinions.) As opposed to a new list, we could use the "topics" function of mailman to enable people to select that they only want "python breakage" emails, for example, that contain a certin regexp. This topic can be addded by the list admin, per <http://www.esosoft.com/support/mailinglist/mailman/topics.html> -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list
Morgan Collett wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 15:23, Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I've raised the idea a couple of times to have a mailing list >>> specifically for activity developers, which would be uncluttered by >>> all the traffic on the devel and even sugar lists. That would >>> hopefully have the result that people stay subscribed, or at least >>> notice mails which are important to them. >>> >>> Currently, I'm not even sure which list out of devel and sugar is >>> going to reach more activity developers, hence this cross-post and >>> many others. > > I've been looking at the OLPC wiki, to see what we are advising > contributors to sign up for: > > * http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers_program#Project_Hosting points > to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Project_hosting which says subscribe to > devel@ when asking for project hosting. > > * http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers_program#Expectations_of_Recipients > points to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers/Communication#Minimum_Communication_Requirements > which says subscribe to community-news@ and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > So IMO the sugar list is more relevant, but the devel list is more > likely to reach everyone. Cross-posting to every list all the time > seems counter to netiquette, and as > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting says, "if all messages were > crossposted to every group, then every group would look exactly the > same." > > What I want out of this discussion is a clear recommendation for > activity authors to subscribe to a particular place that we can count > on, to the extent that that is possible. > We can have them subscribe to devel and apply filters (via the mailman web interface) to use predefined "topics" (regexps) that, for example, contain the string "breaks-python" or whatever. -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
