Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 11:39 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: Iain, Sean, Sam, _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice. My apologies to the other contributors, Sam, Walter and Sean for clouding their perfectly useful work. The text that I have called the Walter/Sam contribution is on this thread. Sean's improved text reads: #-# Sugar on a Stick is a Fedora-based operating system featuring the award-winning Sugar Learning Platform and designed to fit on an ordinary USB thumbdrive (stick). Sugar sets aside the traditional office-desktop metaphor, presenting a child-friendly simple graphical environment. Sugar automatically saves the child's progress to a Journal on your stick, so teachers and parents can easily pull up all collaborative web browsing sessions done in the past week or papers written with Daniel and Sarah in the last 24 hours with a simple query rather than memorizing complex file/folder structures. Applications in Sugar are known as Activities, some of which are described below. It is now deployable for the cost of a stick rather than a laptop; students can take their Sugar on a Stick thumbdrive to any machine - at school, at home, at a library or community center - and boot their customized computing environment without touching the host machine's hard disk or existing system at all. #-# I feel that this is the limit of my ability to achieve consensus. I have a plain text copy of the above two elements plus Sean's proof_reading_corrections, if it is required. Iain Peter, when need this be finished? Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions onto one attachment, are you
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Peter - here is Iain's document: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/attachments/20150519/bdaf00ca/attachment.html Can we have pure plain text, the web team deals with formatting. I need to be able to provide it in pure text, I don't have time to strip out html. Is it really that hard to provide an inline in email pure text output? I have until the end of today to provide a decent update else it goes out as is. Peter On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Gonzalo - Iain had already consolidated all changes but Peter doesn't want to deal with a text file. Sean On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Iain, Sean, Sam, _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Peter, when need this be finished? Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments? No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text patches, they're generally just spam or viruses. In plain text inline emails please. I want ONE update. I don't have the time to merge them. I've already wasted a lot of time I really don't have on this! -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 19:57 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Gonzalo - Iain had already consolidated all changes ... almost consolidated! Chat does not really fit in Multimedia, IMHO. It's not in Multimedia, it's in Going online. Make sure you force a reload on the page but Peter doesn't want to deal with a text file. Sean On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Iain, Sean, Sam, _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Peter, when need this be finished? Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments? No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text patches,
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 11:39 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: Iain, Sean, Sam, _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice. I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live on staging shortly. Please provide any further updates against that. My apologies to the other contributors, Sam, Walter and Sean for clouding their perfectly useful work. The text that I have called the Walter/Sam contribution is on this thread. Sean's improved text reads: #-# Sugar on a Stick is a Fedora-based operating system featuring the award-winning Sugar Learning Platform and designed to fit on an ordinary USB thumbdrive (stick). Sugar sets aside the traditional office-desktop metaphor, presenting a child-friendly simple graphical environment. Sugar automatically saves the child's progress to a Journal on your stick, so teachers and parents can easily pull up all collaborative web browsing sessions done in the past week or papers written with Daniel and Sarah in the last 24 hours with a simple query rather than memorizing complex file/folder structures. Applications in Sugar are known as Activities, some of which are described below. It is now deployable for the cost of a stick rather than a laptop; students can take their Sugar on a Stick thumbdrive to any machine - at school, at home, at a library or community center - and boot their customized computing environment without touching the host machine's hard disk or existing system at all. #-# I feel that this is the limit of my ability to achieve consensus. I have a plain text copy of the above two elements plus Sean's proof_reading_corrections, if it is required. Iain Peter, when need this be finished? Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Thanks Peter, I was watching that too. If I understand correctly switching/changing the sections or adding an Activity is beyond tweaks? while text changes are tweaks. I'm quite happy with it, even though there are lots of changes we suggested which aren't in. I feel the only tweak still to make is to add under the Journal: The Journal provides an interface into a datastore of everything you've created in Sugar. Bookmarking and commenting tools integrate with the Journal to allow parents and teachers to review a child's learning progress. The Journal is central to the Sugar experience and we rightly call it out in the Intro, but I feel the description under it is too brief. Thanks again for making all this happen. Sean On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice. I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live on staging shortly. Please provide any further updates against that. Right the new updated content is live on staging. Please shift+reload to ensure you have the latest revision. Section titles updated etc. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ Please provide updates against that in a email without html formatting. Pure text in an email. We have basically today to get the last tweaks in and then it's done. Thanks, Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
_Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice. I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live on staging shortly. Please provide any further updates against that. Right the new updated content is live on staging. Please shift+reload to ensure you have the latest revision. Section titles updated etc. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ Please provide updates against that in a email without html formatting. Pure text in an email. We have basically today to get the last tweaks in and then it's done. Thanks, Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Peter, I was watching that too. If I understand correctly switching/changing the sections or adding an Activity is beyond tweaks? while text changes are tweaks. We need to stop somewhere and say Yes, this is good enough and I really don't have the time to deal with more updates. It's easy to keep changing the room around when you don't have to do the work. Feel free to suggest changes, but don't be offended if they don't happen :) There were some Activities that were being suggested that we don't even have packaged in Fedora eg here is Develop, I'd never even heard of that. Ultimately the people making suggestions should actually download and see what is there on what we ship :-) I'm quite happy with it, even though there are lots of changes we suggested which aren't in. I feel the only tweak still to make is to add under the Journal: The Journal provides an interface into a datastore of everything you've created in Sugar. Bookmarking and commenting tools integrate with the Journal to allow parents and teachers to review a child's learning progress. The Journal is central to the Sugar experience and we rightly call it out in the Intro, but I feel the description under it is too brief. I've pushed that change in. Thanks again for making all this happen. No problems, I think both the actual SoaS 22 and the new site look really good together! Sean On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice. I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live on staging shortly. Please provide any further updates against that. Right the new updated content is live on staging. Please shift+reload to ensure you have the latest revision. Section titles updated etc. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ Please provide updates against that in a email without html formatting. Pure text in an email. We have basically today to get the last tweaks in and then it's done. Thanks, Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Many thanks Iain Fine with me to delete Multimedia section. I feel the existing intro plus the Activities descriptions will fulfill the role of encouraging the visitor to download and try SoaS. Walter, Sam, OK with you? Sean On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Regards, Iain On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:29 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: thanks Iain looks good some typos: Wwork - Work FotoToon - OK is singular not plural speech and though - speech and thought Paint provides to tools - Paint provides tools Make Sugar activities - Make Sugar Activities / edit existing activities - edit existing Activities / Browse activity - Browse Activity (((Activities always init-capitalized in Sugar context when describing applications))) Also Pippy Develop should be in a Getting Technical section not regrouped under Learning by doing please Tweaks: * Get Books. Download electronic books from all over the web. Explore with ease the classics and modern books from the Internet Archive, Feedbooks, etc. Music - I think this refers to the Jukebox Activity, should be: * Jukebox. Media player to play different kinds of audio and video files. However, I am not sure if this Activity is in the latest SoaS or not? * Record is the basic rich-media capture Activity. It lets you capture still images, video, and/or audio. (((remove for the laptop - we can't assume SoaS will be running on a laptop))) Finally, an HTML issue: the left/right curly quote marks (cf. office desktop) which probably came in from copy/pasted text should either be replacd with simple double parentheses ( quot;) or the HTML entities ldquo; and rdquo; thanks Sean On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Sun, 2015-05-17 at 15:14 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Peter - Walter's edits were for the Activities descriptions, mine were for the introduction, no reconciliation necessary Sean On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Walter sent some edits, I believe most of those have gone in, we need to update titles still I believe. This is what we currently have, the Activities list and layout are now set. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ We can tweak the text but I need to have the edits co-ordinated, Hi all, The attached text file starts from http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/, taken during Sunday, with contributions from Sean Walter/Sam added. There is still some work to do, additions, subtractions or comments please! Regards, Iain I don't have time to to do that so please liaise with Walter to come up with the final edits so I can submit them early next week as a single final edit. Peter On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Peter - are the intro edits I sent going in? thanks Sean On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: It's already in process On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with headers - maybe we could use those headers? Thanks, Sam [1]
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Regards, Iain On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:29 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: thanks Iain looks good some typos: Wwork - Work FotoToon - OK is singular not plural speech and though - speech and thought Paint provides to tools - Paint provides tools Make Sugar activities - Make Sugar Activities / edit existing activities - edit existing Activities / Browse activity - Browse Activity (((Activities always init-capitalized in Sugar context when describing applications))) Also Pippy Develop should be in a Getting Technical section not regrouped under Learning by doing please Tweaks: * Get Books. Download electronic books from all over the web. Explore with ease the classics and modern books from the Internet Archive, Feedbooks, etc. Music - I think this refers to the Jukebox Activity, should be: * Jukebox. Media player to play different kinds of audio and video files. However, I am not sure if this Activity is in the latest SoaS or not? * Record is the basic rich-media capture Activity. It lets you capture still images, video, and/or audio. (((remove for the laptop - we can't assume SoaS will be running on a laptop))) Finally, an HTML issue: the left/right curly quote marks (cf. office desktop) which probably came in from copy/pasted text should either be replacd with simple double parentheses ( quot;) or the HTML entities ldquo; and rdquo; thanks Sean On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Sun, 2015-05-17 at 15:14 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Peter - Walter's edits were for the Activities descriptions, mine were for the introduction, no reconciliation necessary Sean On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Walter sent some edits, I believe most of those have gone in, we need to update titles still I believe. This is what we currently have, the Activities list and layout are now set. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ We can tweak the text but I need to have the edits co-ordinated, Hi all, The attached text file starts from http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/, taken during Sunday, with contributions from Sean Walter/Sam added. There is still some work to do, additions, subtractions or comments please! Regards, Iain I don't have time to to do that so please liaise with Walter to come up with the final edits so I can submit them early next week as a single final edit. Peter On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Peter - are the intro edits I sent going in? thanks Sean On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: It's already in process On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with headers - maybe we could use those headers? Thanks, Sam [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-May/050190.html On Thu, May 14,
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. The sections are not sensible in the context of Sugar - and the Education section is almost like a joke. Logical section headers are just as important as good text. People looking at websites are often very distracted and need very logical things before they scratch their head and look else where. I'm being a little assertive - but we should change the headers! Also some very unimportant stuff: Portfolio, Journal and Paint all have different color palettes for their icons :( Thanks, Sam Regards, Iain On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:29 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: thanks Iain looks good some typos: Wwork - Work FotoToon - OK is singular not plural speech and though - speech and thought Paint provides to tools - Paint provides tools Make Sugar activities - Make Sugar Activities / edit existing activities - edit existing Activities / Browse activity - Browse Activity (((Activities always init-capitalized in Sugar context when describing applications))) Also Pippy Develop should be in a Getting Technical section not regrouped under Learning by doing please Tweaks: * Get Books. Download electronic books from all over the web. Explore with ease the classics and modern books from the Internet Archive, Feedbooks, etc. Music - I think this refers to the Jukebox Activity, should be: * Jukebox. Media player to play different kinds of audio and video files. However, I am not sure if this Activity is in the latest SoaS or not? * Record is the basic rich-media capture Activity. It lets you capture still images, video, and/or audio. (((remove for the laptop - we can't assume SoaS will be running on a laptop))) Finally, an HTML issue: the left/right curly quote marks (cf. office desktop) which probably came in from copy/pasted text should either be replacd with simple double parentheses ( quot;) or the HTML entities ldquo; and rdquo; thanks Sean On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Sun, 2015-05-17 at 15:14 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Peter - Walter's edits were for the Activities descriptions, mine were for the introduction, no reconciliation necessary Sean On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Walter sent some edits, I believe most of those have gone in, we need to update titles still I believe. This is what we currently have, the Activities list and layout are now set. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ We can tweak the text but I need to have the edits co-ordinated, Hi all, The attached text file starts from http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/, taken during Sunday, with contributions from Sean Walter/Sam added. There is still some work to do, additions, subtractions or comments please! Regards, Iain I don't have time to to do that so please liaise with Walter to come up with the final edits so I can submit them early next week as a single final edit. Peter On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Peter - are the
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. How do those above titles apply to the Activity groupings? Or should I just randomly attach them? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 13:30 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. Multimedia, perhaps, just jars a little with the other more directive headings. Iain The sections are not sensible in the context of Sugar - and the Education section is almost like a joke. Logical section headers are just as important as good text. People looking at websites are often very distracted and need very logical things before they scratch their head and look else where. I'm being a little assertive - but we should change the headers! Please read back through my previous replies. Also some very unimportant stuff: Portfolio, Journal and Paint all have different color palettes for their icons :( They were taken as it directly from the sugar svgs so I suspect something is broken there. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. The sections are not sensible in the context of Sugar - and the Education section is almost like a joke. Logical section headers are just as important as good text. People looking at websites are often very distracted and need very logical things before they scratch their head and look else where. I'm being a little assertive - but we should change the headers! Please read back through my previous replies. Also some very unimportant stuff: Portfolio, Journal and Paint all have different color palettes for their icons :( They were taken as it directly from the sugar svgs so I suspect something is broken there. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments? Iain How do those above titles apply to the Activity groupings? Or should I just randomly attach them? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments? No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text patches, they're generally just spam or viruses. In plain text inline emails please. I want ONE update. I don't have the time to merge them. I've already wasted a lot of time I really don't have on this! ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Iain, Sean, Sam, _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Peter, when need this be finished? Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments? No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text patches, they're generally just spam or viruses. In plain text inline emails please. I want ONE update. I don't have the time to merge them. I've already wasted a lot of time I really don't have on this! -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Gonzalo - Iain had already consolidated all changes but Peter doesn't want to deal with a text file. Sean On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Iain, Sean, Sam, _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Peter, when need this be finished? Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments? No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text patches, they're generally just spam or viruses. In plain text inline emails please. I want ONE update. I don't have the time to merge them. I've already wasted a lot of time I really don't have on this! -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Peter - here is Iain's document: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/attachments/20150519/bdaf00ca/attachment.html Sean On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Gonzalo - Iain had already consolidated all changes but Peter doesn't want to deal with a text file. Sean On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Iain, Sean, Sam, _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Peter, when need this be finished? Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments? No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text patches, they're generally just spam or viruses. In plain text inline emails please. I want ONE update. I don't have the time to merge them. I've already wasted a lot of time I really don't have on this! -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 19:57 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Gonzalo - Iain had already consolidated all changes ... almost consolidated! Chat does not really fit in Multimedia, IMHO. Iain but Peter doesn't want to deal with a text file. Sean On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Iain, Sean, Sam, _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. Peter, when need this be finished? Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of free codecs that come as standard. Thanks, Peter, for the correction. So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer you feel should remain? I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and actually test it and see what's there! Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's time for tweaking the content as it stands. Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on the page are not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - they are headers for a traditional dekstop environment. I was talking about Multimedia as it stands should be deleted so I have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have stated before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting what they should be updated to. ... awaiting? Understanding and creating content Learning by doing Getting technical Exploring the wider world Multimedia Reflection on what you've learned is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this thread. As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile opinions coming in from a number of locations. Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments? No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text patches, they're generally just spam or viruses.
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. Fair copy attached. I originally included the section Multimedia, as it is the set of Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the page, as Chat is used in the Spins page template to refer to IRC. My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to non-free components?). Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be deleted. Regards, Iain On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:29 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: thanks Iain looks good some typos: Wwork - Work FotoToon - OK is singular not plural speech and though - speech and thought Paint provides to tools - Paint provides tools Make Sugar activities - Make Sugar Activities / edit existing activities - edit existing Activities / Browse activity - Browse Activity (((Activities always init-capitalized in Sugar context when describing applications))) Also Pippy Develop should be in a Getting Technical section not regrouped under Learning by doing please Tweaks: * Get Books. Download electronic books from all over the web. Explore with ease the classics and modern books from the Internet Archive, Feedbooks, etc. Music - I think this refers to the Jukebox Activity, should be: * Jukebox. Media player to play different kinds of audio and video files. However, I am not sure if this Activity is in the latest SoaS or not? * Record is the basic rich-media capture Activity. It lets you capture still images, video, and/or audio. (((remove for the laptop - we can't assume SoaS will be running on a laptop))) Finally, an HTML issue: the left/right curly quote marks (cf. office desktop) which probably came in from copy/pasted text should either be replacd with simple double parentheses ( quot;) or the HTML entities ldquo; and rdquo; thanks Sean On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Sun, 2015-05-17 at 15:14 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Peter - Walter's edits were for the Activities descriptions, mine were for the introduction, no reconciliation necessary Sean On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Walter sent some edits, I believe most of those have gone in, we need to update titles still I believe. This is what we currently have, the Activities list and layout are now set. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ We can tweak the text but I need to have the edits co-ordinated, Hi all, The attached text file starts from http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/, taken during Sunday, with contributions from Sean Walter/Sam added. There is still some work to do, additions, subtractions or comments please! Regards, Iain I don't have time to to do that so please liaise with Walter to come up with the final edits so I can submit them early next week as a single final edit. Peter On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Peter - are the intro edits I sent going in? thanks Sean On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: It's already in process On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with headers - maybe we could use those headers? Thanks, Sam [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-May/050190.html On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:09 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Sam Parkinson sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter,
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
thanks Iain looks good some typos: Wwork - Work FotoToon - OK is singular not plural speech and though - speech and thought Paint provides to tools - Paint provides tools Make Sugar activities - Make Sugar Activities / edit existing activities - edit existing Activities / Browse activity - Browse Activity (((Activities always init-capitalized in Sugar context when describing applications))) Also Pippy Develop should be in a Getting Technical section not regrouped under Learning by doing please Tweaks: * Get Books. Download electronic books from all over the web. Explore with ease the classics and modern books from the Internet Archive, Feedbooks, etc. Music - I think this refers to the Jukebox Activity, should be: * Jukebox. Media player to play different kinds of audio and video files. However, I am not sure if this Activity is in the latest SoaS or not? * Record is the basic rich-media capture Activity. It lets you capture still images, video, and/or audio. (((remove for the laptop - we can't assume SoaS will be running on a laptop))) Finally, an HTML issue: the left/right curly quote marks (cf. office desktop) which probably came in from copy/pasted text should either be replacd with simple double parentheses ( quot;) or the HTML entities ldquo; and rdquo; thanks Sean On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Iain Brown Douglas i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote: On Sun, 2015-05-17 at 15:14 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Peter - Walter's edits were for the Activities descriptions, mine were for the introduction, no reconciliation necessary Sean On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Walter sent some edits, I believe most of those have gone in, we need to update titles still I believe. This is what we currently have, the Activities list and layout are now set. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ We can tweak the text but I need to have the edits co-ordinated, Hi all, The attached text file starts from http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/, taken during Sunday, with contributions from Sean Walter/Sam added. There is still some work to do, additions, subtractions or comments please! Regards, Iain I don't have time to to do that so please liaise with Walter to come up with the final edits so I can submit them early next week as a single final edit. Peter On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Peter - are the intro edits I sent going in? thanks Sean On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: It's already in process On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with headers - maybe we could use those headers? Thanks, Sam [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-May/050190.html On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:09 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Sam Parkinson sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Sam, Gonzalo et el, I've worked with the Fedora web team to update it some based partially on Sam's details below. Details are here: http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ Let me know of any feedback, I personally think it looks really fab! Yeah, it does. Is there a way to have different headers? Some of the headings (esp. Education) are not aappropriate for Sugar. Yes, provide me details in concise details and we'll review them and get them integrated. I knew it wasn't perfect but we needed to get the majority of the bits in place. Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Sun, 2015-05-17 at 15:14 +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
Peter - Walter's edits were for the Activities descriptions, mine were
for the introduction, no reconciliation necessary
Sean
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinson
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
Walter sent some edits, I believe most of those have gone in,
we need
to update titles still I believe.
This is what we currently have, the Activities list and layout
are now set.
http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
We can tweak the text but I need to have the edits
co-ordinated,
Hi all,
The attached text file starts from
http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/, taken during Sunday,
with contributions from Sean Walter/Sam added.
There is still some work to do, additions, subtractions or comments
please!
Regards,
Iain
I
don't have time to to do that so please liaise with Walter to
come up
with the final edits so I can submit them early next week as a
single
final edit.
Peter
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sean DALY
sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
Peter - are the intro edits I sent going in?
thanks
Sean
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Peter Robinson
pbrobin...@gmail.com
wrote:
It's already in process
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P.
sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Peter,
I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with headers -
maybe we could
use
those headers?
Thanks,
Sam
[1]
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-May/050190.html
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:09 PM Peter Robinson
pbrobin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Sam Parkinson
sam.parkins...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Peter,
Peter Robinson wrote:
Hi Sam, Gonzalo et el,
I've worked with the Fedora web team to update it
some based
partially
on Sam's details below.
Details are here:
http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
Let me know of any feedback, I personally think it
looks really fab!
Yeah, it does.
Is there a way to have different headers? Some of the
headings (esp.
Education) are not aappropriate for Sugar.
Yes, provide me details in concise details and we'll
review them and
get them integrated. I knew it wasn't perfect but we
needed to get the
majority of the bits in place.
Peter
___
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Title: Fedora SoaS Desktop
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Sugar on a Stick is a Fedora-based operating system featuring the award-winning Sugar Learning Platform and designed to fit on an ordinary USB thumbdrive ("stick").
Sugar sets aside the traditional “office-desktop” metaphor, presenting a child-friendly simple graphical environment. Sugar automatically saves the child's progress to a "Journal" on your stick, so teachers and parents can easily pull up "all collaborative web browsing sessions done in the past week" or "papers written with Daniel and Sarah in the last 24 hours" with a simple query rather than memorizing complex file/folder structures. Applications in Sugar are known as Activities, some of which are described below.
It is now deployable for the cost of a stick rather than a laptop; students can take their Sugar on a Stick thumbdrive to any machine - at school, at home, at a library or community center - and boot their customized computing environment without touching the host machine’s hard disk or existing system at all.
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Understanding and creating content
Write
Make a story, poem, report or anything with Write. Use formatting tools to add images or colors. Wwork together with friends.
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Put complex ideas on the computer. Use Labyrinth activity to mind map about new concepts, to explore new ideas or to reflect.
FotoToon
Use images and text to create comic strips. FotoToon provides many options to add motion, speech and
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Peter - Walter's edits were for the Activities descriptions, mine were for the introduction, no reconciliation necessary Sean On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Walter sent some edits, I believe most of those have gone in, we need to update titles still I believe. This is what we currently have, the Activities list and layout are now set. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ We can tweak the text but I need to have the edits co-ordinated, I don't have time to to do that so please liaise with Walter to come up with the final edits so I can submit them early next week as a single final edit. Peter On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Peter - are the intro edits I sent going in? thanks Sean On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: It's already in process On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with headers - maybe we could use those headers? Thanks, Sam [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-May/050190.html On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:09 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Sam Parkinson sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Sam, Gonzalo et el, I've worked with the Fedora web team to update it some based partially on Sam's details below. Details are here: http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ Let me know of any feedback, I personally think it looks really fab! Yeah, it does. Is there a way to have different headers? Some of the headings (esp. Education) are not aappropriate for Sugar. Yes, provide me details in concise details and we'll review them and get them integrated. I knew it wasn't perfect but we needed to get the majority of the bits in place. Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Peter - are the intro edits I sent going in? thanks Sean On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: It's already in process On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with headers - maybe we could use those headers? Thanks, Sam [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-May/050190.html On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:09 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Sam Parkinson sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Sam, Gonzalo et el, I've worked with the Fedora web team to update it some based partially on Sam's details below. Details are here: http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ Let me know of any feedback, I personally think it looks really fab! Yeah, it does. Is there a way to have different headers? Some of the headings (esp. Education) are not aappropriate for Sugar. Yes, provide me details in concise details and we'll review them and get them integrated. I knew it wasn't perfect but we needed to get the majority of the bits in place. Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Walter sent some edits, I believe most of those have gone in, we need to update titles still I believe. This is what we currently have, the Activities list and layout are now set. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ We can tweak the text but I need to have the edits co-ordinated, I don't have time to to do that so please liaise with Walter to come up with the final edits so I can submit them early next week as a single final edit. Peter On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Peter - are the intro edits I sent going in? thanks Sean On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: It's already in process On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, I think Walter send out a good copy [1] with headers - maybe we could use those headers? Thanks, Sam [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-May/050190.html On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:09 PM Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Sam Parkinson sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi Sam, Gonzalo et el, I've worked with the Fedora web team to update it some based partially on Sam's details below. Details are here: http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ Let me know of any feedback, I personally think it looks really fab! Yeah, it does. Is there a way to have different headers? Some of the headings (esp. Education) are not aappropriate for Sugar. Yes, provide me details in concise details and we'll review them and get them integrated. I knew it wasn't perfect but we needed to get the majority of the bits in place. Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Looks great. FWIW, I had done some editing of Sam's text, included below. Understanding and creating content -- * Write. Make a story, poem, report or anything with write. Use formatting tools to add images or colors. Work together with friends to write together in real time. * Labyrinth. Put complex ideas on the computer. Use Labyrinth activity to mind map about new concepts, to explore new ideas or to reflect. * FotoToons. Use images and text to create comic strips. FotoToons provides many options to add motion, speech and though to creations. * Paint. Paint provides to tools to make artistic creations. Use brushes, stamps, shapes, text and images to create beautiful pictures. Learning by doing - * Turtle Blocks. Learn programming concepts with snap together blocks. Create art, animations and interactive programs in a graphics focused environment. Export your creations as SVG, PNG, or Logo and/or Python. * Physics. Create real life simulations using shapes, motors, ropes and bolts to explore physics in the world. Work collaboratively on your simulation with friends. Getting technical - * Pippy. Program applications in a simple yet powerful environment. The Python back end provides unlimited opportunities within a simple language and environment. (Programs created in Turtle Blocks can be imported into Pippy from which new Sugar activities can be created.) * Develop. Make Sugar activities within Sugar itself. Develop provides templates for new games, native and web activities as well as simple environment to edit existing activities. Exploring the wider world - * Browse. Access the internet with Browse activity. Bookmark sites to research with friends and save sessions to the Journal to keep organized. * Get Books. Download electronic books from all over the web. Explore the classics and modern books with ease. * Read. Explore reports, documents, books and comic books with the Read activity. Bookmarking and commenting tools integrate with the Journal to allow limitless possibilities. Reflection on what you've learned - * Journal. The Sugar Journal provides an interface into a datastore of everything you've created in Sugar. It also provides access to files in the GNU/Linux file system and a variety of web services. The Journal also acts as a lab notebook: it contains metadata about our activities, including a description of your work and commentary on your work from others. * Portfolio. The primary approach to assessment within Sugar is to make learning visible to the user. The Portfolio provides a means to create periodic snapshots in slideshow form of representative work that shows what the learner can do, not just what s/he knows. On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sam, Gonzalo et el, I've worked with the Fedora web team to update it some based partially on Sam's details below. Details are here: http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ Let me know of any feedback, I personally think it looks really fab! Peter On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: The new site looks very nice!!! Here is my attempt at some featured applications: Understanding and Creating Content --- * Write. Make a story, poem, report or anything with write. Use formatting tools to add images or colors. Work together with friends to write together in real time. * Labyrinth. Put complex ideas on the computer. Use Laybrinth activity to mind map about new concepts, to explore new ideas or to reflect. * FotoToon. Use images and text to create comic strips. FotoToon provides many options to add motion, speech and though to creations. * Paint. Paint provides to tools to make artistic creations. Use brushes, stamps, shapes, text and images to create beautiful pictures. Learn by Doing -- * Turtle Blocks. Learn programming concepts with snap together blocks. Create art, animations and interactive programs in a graphics focused environment. * Physics. Create real life simulations using shapes, motors, ropes and bolts to explore physics in the world. Work collaboratively on your simulation with friends. Getting Technical - * Pippy. Program applications in a simple yet powerful environment. The Python back end provides unlimited opportunities within a simple language and environment. * Develop. Make Sugar activities within Sugar itself. Develop provides templates for new games, native and web activities as well as simple environment to edit existing activities. Exploring the Wide World - * Browse. Access the internet with Browse activity.
