Re: XMPP & Visability

2010-11-19 Thread Etan Reisner
pidgin does not support xmpp visibility settings as there isn't (yet) a
good standard for supporting that.

As to whether you can apply invisibilty settings to groups of people at
once that depends entirely on the capabilities of the protocols involved.
I believe some support that and some do not (but don't recally any
specific details).

-Etan

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XMPP & Visability

2010-11-18 Thread Sarah Fox
Hello. Just joined this group now.

I've d/loaded the latest version of Pidgin a few days ago (Ive used older 
version before)..

1)

When i'm  invisible, i can right-click on a user/person, & allow them to see 
me. 
However, I can't do this with XMPP accounts.

(Or is there another way ?)


2) is there a way to move a person, or multiple people to a 'group' & check 
'presence settings' for the entire group at once ? so they can see me online ?

basically, I want to be left alone, for a few hours a night, but allow 
'important' folk to see me.. - if needed.


  

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Re: Visability...

2010-04-10 Thread Programmer In Training
On 04/10/10 20:43, Gordon Stewart wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Programmer In Training
>  wrote:
> 
>> Those functions you are talking about (appear visible and appear
>> permanently offline) are part of the protocol. If it isn't part of the
>> official protocol, Pidgin cannot implement it, if I'm understanding
>> Daniel right, because there is nothing there to implement.
> 
> if they ARE part of the protocol - It can be implemented..

Right, that's what we are saying.

> I guess i'm lost & / or people are getting confused..
> 
> 
> :- Yahoo Messenger
> 
> :- has protocol to be visable (per member)
> :- Has Protocol to be invisable (per member).

Correct

> Pidgin can activate / use these 2 protocols..

Correct

> :- pidgin remembers "permanently" (within the pidgin system - NOT
> Yahoo), which members I want to be permanently visable too..

Not so sure about that. You'd have to ask a dev.

> when i log in, pidgin knows I want to be visable to ABC member - it
> activates the 'visable' protocol..
> 
> The "permanent visable" part doesn't need to be implemented within
> Yahoo messenger itself.

Maybe, but you might try and see if you could script it in a buddy
pounce for whenever you login.

> Where is the URL to submit a pidgin idea ?  & i'll submit it...

Bugtracker is the way to go bro (:

> No worries - Just an idea - pidgin can use Yahoo's protocols to become
> BETTER than Yahoo :)
> 

Not sure how Yahoo would like that, but that would be awesome

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Re: Visability...

2010-04-10 Thread Gordon Stewart
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Programmer In Training
 wrote:

> Those functions you are talking about (appear visible and appear
> permanently offline) are part of the protocol. If it isn't part of the
> official protocol, Pidgin cannot implement it, if I'm understanding
> Daniel right, because there is nothing there to implement.

if they ARE part of the protocol - It can be implemented..

I guess i'm lost & / or people are getting confused..


:- Yahoo Messenger

:- has protocol to be visable (per member)
:- Has Protocol to be invisable (per member).


Pidgin can activate / use these 2 protocols..

:- pidgin remembers "permanently" (within the pidgin system - NOT
Yahoo), which members I want to be permanently visable too..

when i log in, pidgin knows I want to be visable to ABC member - it
activates the 'visable' protocol..

The "permanent visable" part doesn't need to be implemented within
Yahoo messenger itself.

Where is the URL to submit a pidgin idea ?  & i'll submit it...

No worries - Just an idea - pidgin can use Yahoo's protocols to become
BETTER than Yahoo :)

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Re: Visability...

2010-04-10 Thread Programmer In Training
On 04/10/10 20:20, Gordon Stewart wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Daniel Atallah  wrote:
> 
>> The "Official Client" is the one distributed by yahoo themselves, not
>> some newer version of Pidgin.
>>
>> Last I knew, the functionality you are asking for didn't exist in that
>> client.  Unless that has changed, it can't exist in Pidgin.
> 
> why does it need to be in the "official" (Yahoo messenger) programme
> to be incorporated into Pidgin ?
> 
> Either you are visable, or not  - Easy...
> 
> if the "visable" command is active (even if you are invisible to the
> other people), its just a matter of Pidgin remembering which person
> you want visable / to see you,  & then stick a 'permanent' thing on
> it.
> 
> so next time you come online - It automatically marks the person as
> able to see you.
> 
> - no changes needed in Yahoo Messenger system to cope..
> 
> Or am I missing something ?
> 
> 

Those functions you are talking about (appear visible and appear
permanently offline) are part of the protocol. If it isn't part of the
official protocol, Pidgin cannot implement it, if I'm understanding
Daniel right, because there is nothing there to implement.

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Re: Visability...

2010-04-10 Thread Gordon Stewart
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Daniel Atallah  wrote:

> The "Official Client" is the one distributed by yahoo themselves, not
> some newer version of Pidgin.
>
> Last I knew, the functionality you are asking for didn't exist in that
> client.  Unless that has changed, it can't exist in Pidgin.

why does it need to be in the "official" (Yahoo messenger) programme
to be incorporated into Pidgin ?

Either you are visable, or not  - Easy...

if the "visable" command is active (even if you are invisible to the
other people), its just a matter of Pidgin remembering which person
you want visable / to see you,  & then stick a 'permanent' thing on
it.

so next time you come online - It automatically marks the person as
able to see you.

- no changes needed in Yahoo Messenger system to cope..

Or am I missing something ?


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Re: Visability...

2010-04-10 Thread Daniel Atallah
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 20:57, Gordon Stewart  wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Programmer In Training
>  wrote:
>> On 04/09/10 19:33, Gordon Stewart wrote:
>> 
>>> (I do see a "permanently OFFline setting, so they can NEVER see me
>>> online) - Can there be a permanently ONline setting / option ?
>> 
>>
>> Is that an option in the official client? I haven't used it in so long I
>> haven't a clue.

The "Official Client" is the one distributed by yahoo themselves, not
some newer version of Pidgin.

Last I knew, the functionality you are asking for didn't exist in that
client.  Unless that has changed, it can't exist in Pidgin.

-D

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Re: Visability...

2010-04-09 Thread Gordon Stewart
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Programmer In Training
 wrote:
> On 04/09/10 19:33, Gordon Stewart wrote:
> 
>> (I do see a "permanently OFFline setting, so they can NEVER see me
>> online) - Can there be a permanently ONline setting / option ?
> 
>
> Is that an option in the official client? I haven't used it in so long I
> haven't a clue.


I've just checked - i'm on Version 2.6.2  now  - I see on the website
there is a 2.6.6 (I may download that and see...)

But in my one now - if you right-click a person, you can go

presence settings >> appear  online
presence settings >> appear  permanently offline

the online one is only for the time you are on, - if you log out, it resets..

a "permanently online" option would be good..


(downloading latest pidgen now)

- yes, same things -

i'm on 2.6.6 now, & can see a permanently offline - but no permanently
online ability. - same as previous option..

& yes, you can forward to any official channels if you want...

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Re: Visability...

2010-04-09 Thread Programmer In Training
On 04/09/10 19:33, Gordon Stewart wrote:

> (I do see a "permanently OFFline setting, so they can NEVER see me
> online) - Can there be a permanently ONline setting / option ?


Is that an option in the official client? I haven't used it in so long I
haven't a clue. I'd be surprised if it were and hasn't already been
incorporated in Pidgin. That would be a very useful option and I'd be
willing to file a feature request based off your email (if that would be
ok with you).

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Visability...

2010-04-09 Thread Gordon Stewart
Good day.

when using pidgin, (one of the recent versions..)

I can mark a yahoo person as showing on my screen, even if they are
logged off (I do not show other logged off people)..

now, this setting "sticks" & remains for that particular person - no
matter how many times I log off & log back in, I can always see their
status / name on my screen

(I want this)...


However, If i am "invisible" - i can mark a person, so they can see me
as online - even if I am invisible.

This setting, does NOT "stick" - & I have to manually do that each
time I log in...

(I do see a "permanently OFFline setting, so they can NEVER see me
online) - Can there be a permanently ONline setting / option ?


Is there a setting in the latest version of pidgen, so BOTH of these
settings "stick" and i dont have to manually adjust them  when i log
in... - If it does do that, I'll d/load the latest version)


If the second option is not yet available, who do I contact to make a
suggestion ?

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