[biofuel] WVO emissions - was Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event.

2004-07-29 Thread Keith Addison

Hi Pierre

>Hi Keith,
>
>I have received suggestions that WVO based biodiesel may contain
>substances not present in its virgin counterpart - nitrosamines,
>dioxins, acrylamides, and that emissions may be more toxic.

In the WVO itself, nitrosamines perhaps, dioxins? Maybe. Acrylamides, 
I don't think any more than in SVO. Try an archives search for 
"acrylamides".

Anyway, it'd be small traces of the first two if they were there - 
not insignificant if you eat it, but for emissions when combusting it 
at high temps and under high pressure in a diesel motor? I don't 
think it would be in the biodiesel anyway, in the glycerine cocktail 
more likely (or in the wash), you'd be talking of traces of traces. 
Aren't you looking too far downstream? Lab analysis of a broad 
selection of biodiesel made from different WVO feedstock should tell 
you more (all having in common that it's properly made and properly 
washed).

Or perhaps the burden of proof should be on the accusers? Your 
authority for shifting it back to where it belongs would be the EPA 
statement I mentioned (below).

Anyway, all three of those things are supposed to be carcinogenic. 
Whence then the 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust 
emissions exposure in the UC Davis biodiesel study?

 From whom exactly have you received these suggestions, Pierre?

Best wishes

Keith


>I'll keep you posted should I come across anything.
>
>Pierre
>
>--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello Pierre
> >
> > >Keith,
> > >
> > >I am looking for reports comparing emissions from virgin vegoil
> > >biodiesel and watse oil biodiesel.
> > >
> > >I have left a couple of messages here and there.
> > >
> > >Do you have any leads?
> >
> > No I don't. The EPA accepted the NBB's data on virgin soy
>biodiesel
> > as equivalent to all the rest, whatever the feedstock, including
>WVO.
> > Big-time European producers commonly use WVO, the standards are
> > strict there. Why would there be a difference? Unless it's badly
> > made, not washed properly.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > >Pierre
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And this is interesting:
> > > >
> > > > The UC Davis biodiesel study -- "Chemical and Bioassay
>Analyses of
> > > > Diesel and Biodiesel Particulate Matter: Pilot Study -- Final
> > >Report"
> > > > by Norman Y. Kado, Robert A. Okamoto and Paul A. Kuzmicky,
> > >Department
> > > > of Environmental Toxicology, University of California, Davis,
> > > > California, November 1996. This U.S. Department of Energy study
> > >found
> > > > that the use of pure biodiesel instead of petroleum-based
>diesel
> > >fuel
> > > > could offer a 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust
> > >emissions
> > > > exposure. Acrobat file, 3.1Mb.
> > > >
>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisBiodiesel.pdf
> > > > UC Davis biodiesel study -- summary: the Summary, Results and
> > > > Discussion sections of the report, in html format.
> > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisSumm.html
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes
> > > >
> > > > Keith
 



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[biofuel] WVO emissions - was Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event.

2004-07-29 Thread pivincent

The suggestions come from colleaugues at work, scientists involved 
in the petroleum industry.  They have no knowledge in the area of 
biofuel, but like to rain on my parade!

I understand the burden of proof tactic, however, I see how 
the "herbs" industry gets away with quackery because the medical 
community also leaves them the burden of proof.  The naturopaths 
simply do not prove anything and go on making outlandish claims!

Pierre

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Pierre

> Or perhaps the burden of proof should be on the accusers? Your 
> authority for shifting it back to where it belongs would be the 
EPA 
> statement I mentioned (below).
> 
> Anyway, all three of those things are supposed to be carcinogenic. 
> Whence then the 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust 
> emissions exposure in the UC Davis biodiesel study?
> 
>  From whom exactly have you received these suggestions, Pierre?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Keith
> 
> 




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