Re: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes
Might as well start smoking again. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >You can find a copy of the draft paper at >http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/policy/dod/jp3_12fc2.pdf. I have >only just started reading it, but it already looks like most of the other >DoD policy papers I have read - a lot of fluff, but not much substance. The >DoD is always putting out things like this, asking (and answering) the >question, "What if..." > >It is scary that the US has to make plans for the potential use of its >nuclear arsenal, and I eagerly look forward to the day when the last nuclear >weapons is disabled or destroyed, but not making these plans is like keeping >a shotgun in your home for protection and not keeping any shells because you >are afraid what will happen if it goes off. > >BTW, do you notice that when the DoD refers to its enemies' nuclear, >chemical or biological arsenal, it uses the term "Weapons of Mass >Destruction," but when it refers to its own, these are "Deterrents against >WMD" or just "nuclear weapons". I think they are trying to downplay the >fact that the US has enough nuclear weapons to massively destroy the entire >earth. Perhaps we should coin a term for this - Weapons of Gargantuan >Destruction (WGD) or maybe Gigantic Wicked Bombs (GWB - oh wait, those >initials are already taken). I like Weapons of Planetary Destruction >(WPD) - it has a nice, though eerie ring to it... > >Enjoy the time you have left... > >Earl Kinsley >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >-- >"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are >free." > -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe >-- >Check out my latest blogs at http://KinsleyForPrez08.blogspot.com > >- Original Message - >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:49 PM >Subject: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear >Strikes > > >http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0911-02.htm > >Published on Sunday, September 11, 2005 by Agence France Presse > >Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes > >A new draft US defense paper calls for preventive nuclear strikes >against state and non-state adversaries in order to deter them from >using weapons of mass destruction and urges US troops to "prepare to >use nuclear weapons effectively." > >Archive picture of a US nuclear bomb exploding over Nagasaki, Japan, >on August 9, 1945. A new draft US defense paper calls for preventive >nuclear strikes against state and non-state adversaries in order to >deter them from using weapons of mass destruction and urges US troops >to 'prepare to use nuclear weapons effectively.' (AFP/File) > >The document, titled "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations" and >dated March 15, was put together by the Pentagon's Joint Staff in at >attempt to adapt current procedures to the fast-changing world after >the September 11, 2001, attacks, said a defense official. > >But the official, who spoke to AFP late Saturday on condition of >anonymity, said it has not yet been signed by Defense Secretary >Donald Rumsfeld and thus has not been made official policy. > >"It's in the process of being considered," the official said. > >A copy of the draft obtained by AFP urges US theater force commanders >operating around the world to prepare specific plans for using >nuclear weapons in their regions -- and outlines scenarios, under >which it would be justified to seek presidential approval for a >nuclear strike. > >They include an adversary using or planning to use weapons of mass >destruction against US or allied forces as well as civilian >populations. > >Preventive nuclear strikes could also be employed to destroy a >biological weapons arsenal belonging to an enemy, if there is no >possibility to take it out with conventional weapons and it is >determined the enemy is poised for a biological attack, according to >the draft. > >They could also be seen as justified to destroy deep, hardened >bunkers containing enemy chemical or biological weapons or the >command and control infrastructure required to execute a chemical, >biological or nuclear attack. > >However, a number of scenarios allow nuclear strikes without enemy >weapons of mass destruction in the equation. > >They could be used, for instance, to counter potentially overwhelming >conventional adversaries, to secure a rapid end of a war on US terms, >or simply "to ensure success of US and multinational operations," the >document indicates. > >In the context of the US-led "war on terror", the draft explicitly >warns that any attempt by a hostile power to hand over weapons of >mass destruction to militant groups to enable them to strike a >devastating blow against the United States will likely trigger a US >nuclear response against the culprit. > >Regional US commanders may request presidential approval to go >nuclear "to respond to adversary-supplied WMD use by surrogates >agains
Re: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes
You can find a copy of the draft paper at http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/policy/dod/jp3_12fc2.pdf. I have only just started reading it, but it already looks like most of the other DoD policy papers I have read - a lot of fluff, but not much substance. The DoD is always putting out things like this, asking (and answering) the question, "What if..." It is scary that the US has to make plans for the potential use of its nuclear arsenal, and I eagerly look forward to the day when the last nuclear weapons is disabled or destroyed, but not making these plans is like keeping a shotgun in your home for protection and not keeping any shells because you are afraid what will happen if it goes off. BTW, do you notice that when the DoD refers to its enemies' nuclear, chemical or biological arsenal, it uses the term "Weapons of Mass Destruction," but when it refers to its own, these are "Deterrents against WMD" or just "nuclear weapons". I think they are trying to downplay the fact that the US has enough nuclear weapons to massively destroy the entire earth. Perhaps we should coin a term for this - Weapons of Gargantuan Destruction (WGD) or maybe Gigantic Wicked Bombs (GWB - oh wait, those initials are already taken). I like Weapons of Planetary Destruction (WPD) - it has a nice, though eerie ring to it... Enjoy the time you have left... Earl Kinsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe -- Check out my latest blogs at http://KinsleyForPrez08.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0911-02.htm Published on Sunday, September 11, 2005 by Agence France Presse Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes A new draft US defense paper calls for preventive nuclear strikes against state and non-state adversaries in order to deter them from using weapons of mass destruction and urges US troops to "prepare to use nuclear weapons effectively." Archive picture of a US nuclear bomb exploding over Nagasaki, Japan, on August 9, 1945. A new draft US defense paper calls for preventive nuclear strikes against state and non-state adversaries in order to deter them from using weapons of mass destruction and urges US troops to 'prepare to use nuclear weapons effectively.' (AFP/File) The document, titled "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations" and dated March 15, was put together by the Pentagon's Joint Staff in at attempt to adapt current procedures to the fast-changing world after the September 11, 2001, attacks, said a defense official. But the official, who spoke to AFP late Saturday on condition of anonymity, said it has not yet been signed by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and thus has not been made official policy. "It's in the process of being considered," the official said. A copy of the draft obtained by AFP urges US theater force commanders operating around the world to prepare specific plans for using nuclear weapons in their regions -- and outlines scenarios, under which it would be justified to seek presidential approval for a nuclear strike. They include an adversary using or planning to use weapons of mass destruction against US or allied forces as well as civilian populations. Preventive nuclear strikes could also be employed to destroy a biological weapons arsenal belonging to an enemy, if there is no possibility to take it out with conventional weapons and it is determined the enemy is poised for a biological attack, according to the draft. They could also be seen as justified to destroy deep, hardened bunkers containing enemy chemical or biological weapons or the command and control infrastructure required to execute a chemical, biological or nuclear attack. However, a number of scenarios allow nuclear strikes without enemy weapons of mass destruction in the equation. They could be used, for instance, to counter potentially overwhelming conventional adversaries, to secure a rapid end of a war on US terms, or simply "to ensure success of US and multinational operations," the document indicates. In the context of the US-led "war on terror", the draft explicitly warns that any attempt by a hostile power to hand over weapons of mass destruction to militant groups to enable them to strike a devastating blow against the United States will likely trigger a US nuclear response against the culprit. Regional US commanders may request presidential approval to go nuclear "to respond to adversary-supplied WMD use by surrogates against US and multinational forces or civilian populations," the draft says. The doctrine also gives the Pentagon the green light to deploy nuclear weapons to parts of the wo
Re: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes
Yeah no doubt Pat Robertson could think of ways to kill two birds with one stone.. Joe David Miller wrote: Tom Irwin wrote: Someone ought to tell them that nuclear winter doesn't negate global warming. Are you sure about that? Maybe they'd balance each other out. ;-) Let's not suggest it as a possibility or we'll have people suggesting nuclear war as a solution to global warming. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes
Tom Irwin wrote: > Hi All, Hi Tom; > > Sorry I had to laugh to keep from crying. Let's see, Bush and the > neocons will use weapons of mass destruction on bad people thinking > about making weapons of mass destruction. Exactly who are the bad > people. Oh Brave New World. Someone ought to tell them that nuclear > winter doesn't negate global warming. Are you sure about that? Maybe they'd balance each other out. ;-) Let's not suggest it as a possibility or we'll have people suggesting nuclear war as a solution to global warming. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes
Hi All, Sorry I had to laugh to keep from crying. Let's see, Bush and the neocons will use weapons of mass destruction on bad people thinking about making weapons of mass destruction. Exactly who are the bad people. Oh Brave New World. Someone ought to tell them that nuclear winter doesn't negate global warming. Tom From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:49:44 -0300Subject: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikeshttp://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0911-02.htmPublished on Sunday, September 11, 2005 by Agence France PresseDraft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear StrikesA new draft US defense paper calls for preventive nuclear strikes against state and non-state adversaries in order to deter them from using weapons of mass destruction and urges US troops to "prepare to use nuclear weapons effectively."Archive picture of a US nuclear bomb exploding over Nagasaki, Japan, on August 9, 1945. A new draft US defense paper calls for preventive nuclear strikes against state and non-state adversaries in order to deter them from using weapons of mass destruction and urges US troops to 'prepare to use nuclear weapons effectively.' (AFP/File)The document, titled "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations" and dated March 15, was put together by the Pentagon's Joint Staff in at attempt to adapt current procedures to the fast-changing world after the September 11, 2001, attacks, said a defense official.But the official, who spoke to AFP late Saturday on condition of anonymity, said it has not yet been signed by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and thus has not been made official policy."It's in the process of being considered," the official said.A copy of the draft obtained by AFP urges US theater force commanders operating around the world to prepare specific plans for using nuclear weapons in their regions -- and outlines scenarios, under which it would be justified to seek presidential approval for a nuclear strike.They include an adversary using or planning to use weapons of mass destruction against US or allied forces as well as civilian populations.Preventive nuclear strikes could also be employed to destroy a biological weapons arsenal belonging to an enemy, if there is no possibility to take it out with conventional weapons and it is determined the enemy is poised for a biological attack, according to the draft.They could also be seen as justified to destroy deep, hardened bunkers containing enemy chemical or biological weapons or the command and control infrastructure required to execute a chemical, biological or nuclear attack.However, a number of scenarios allow nuclear strikes without enemy weapons of mass destruction in the equation.They could be used, for instance, to counter potentially overwhelming conventional adversaries, to secure a rapid end of a war on US terms, or simply "to ensure success of US and multinational operations," the document indicates.In the context of the US-led "war on terror", the draft explicitly warns that any attempt by a hostile power to hand over weapons of mass destruction to militant groups to enable them to strike a devastating blow against the United States will likely trigger a US nuclear response against the culprit.Regional US commanders may request presidential approval to go nuclear "to respond to adversary-supplied WMD use by surrogates against US and multinational forces or civilian populations," the draft says.The doctrine also gives the Pentagon the green light to deploy nuclear weapons to parts of the world where their future use is considered the most likely and urges troops to constantly train for nuclear warfare."To maximize deterrence of WMD use, it is essential US forces prepare to use nuclear weapons effectively and that US forces are determined to employ nuclear weapons if necessary to prevent or retaliate against WMD use," the document states.The doctrine surfaced after the US Congress moved over the past several months to revive a controversial weapons research program aimed at enabling the US military to conduct precision nuclear strikes against hardened underground facilities.In separate measures, both the Senate and the House of Representatives approved four million dollars for fiscal 2006 to study the feasibility of the so-called Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, also known as the "bunker-buster" bomb, a program that was interrupted last year under intense international and domestic criticism.Moreover, under the 2002 Moscow Treaty, the United States will be able to retain up to 2,200 operationally deployed strategic nuclear warheads all the way through 2012.The doctrine reminds that while first use of nuclear weapons may draw condemnation, "no customary or conventional international law prohibits nations from employing nuclear weapons in armed conflict."© Copyright 2005 AFP___Biofuel mailing li
Re: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes
Hmmm. With the track record of the current group in charge, this would seem like giving a ferrari to a 16 year old with bad eyesight. After he just crashed up his old ford escort Wonder how long before some pharmacuticals plant in Iran goes up in a mushroom cloud? On 9/12/05, robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Keith Addison wrote: > > > http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0911-02.htm > > > > Published on Sunday, September 11, 2005 by Agence France Presse > > > > Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes > > > Don't say I didn't warn you! > > robert luis rabello > "The Edge of Justice" > Adventure for Your Mind > http://www.newadventure.ca > > Ranger Supercharger Project Page > http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes
Keith Addison wrote: > http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0911-02.htm > > Published on Sunday, September 11, 2005 by Agence France Presse > > Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes Don't say I didn't warn you! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
