Re: [Tagging] [Wiki Talk] Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?
Hi, On 05/07/2015 06:35 AM, Ineiev wrote: There multiple collaborative mapping services. Each of them is a direct rival to OpenStreetMap in terms of competing for contributors and map editing contributions. OpenStreetMap is better than any other competitor for one simple and very fundamental reason This is not necessarily true. For example, a project may capture data that OSM is not interested in, and therefore it is not a direct rival. Again, it _may_; are there any counterexamples? There are quite a few collaborative mapping projects where people map where they encounter which species of plants or animals in the wild. (For example, a recent discussion on the German OSM forum was about a software called MykIS used by hobby mycologists.) They do a form of mapping, but they're certainly not a competitor. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Wiki Talk] Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: There are quite a few collaborative mapping projects where people map where they encounter which species of plants or animals in the wild. (For example, a recent discussion on the German OSM forum was about a software called MykIS used by hobby mycologists.) They do a form of mapping, but they're certainly not a competitor. In fact they're potential partners. Potential Partners, who by and large, use Google base maps. -- OSM can be the base map to the world. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Wiki Talk] Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?
I would remove such a page from the wiki. It is more suitable as a publicity pamphlet. But even in that case it needs some more structuring. The individual pros and cons have to be juxtaposed. The summary statements are not correct in all aspects and therefore open to criticism. On 7 May 2015 at 06:35, Ineiev ine...@gnu.org wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 08:29:48PM -0600, Mike Thompson wrote: To the extent possible I think we should focus on the positive and avoid negative statements about other projects, Why not, if they are true? or over generalizations about those projects. For example Your mapping service is a closed system is both negative and a generalization. There may be some other mapping system service that is also open like OSM that the reader is part of. Perhaps just title that box Closed Mapping Systems Of course there may be, but can you list any other projects aiming to make free maps? on the other hand, wiki could enumerate particular well-known services producing nonfree maps. re: There multiple collaborative mapping services. Each of them is a direct rival to OpenStreetMap in terms of competing for contributors and map editing contributions. OpenStreetMap is better than any other competitor for one simple and very fundamental reason This is not necessarily true. For example, a project may capture data that OSM is not interested in, and therefore it is not a direct rival. Again, it _may_; are there any counterexamples? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Wiki Talk] Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?
On 7 May 2015 at 07:30, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: I would remove such a page from the wiki. It is more suitable as a publicity pamphlet. Any and all of our publicity pamphlets should also be on the wiki, for various reasons, including: * An archive for future reference, when the paper version is no longer available * Ease of access by people remote from the location of paper copies * Copy pastable text, avaialbe for reuse in other publications * Version tracking * Easy to link to from other websites/ social media -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Camps
On Wed May 6 23:21:41 2015 GMT+0100, David Bannon wrote: On Wed, 2015-05-06 at 11:09 +, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: A resort is usually a town whos primary purpose is tourism. A resort is not operated by a single company, and access is not restricted. Resort should probably be avoided due to totally different meanings between BE and AE. OK Phil, I was not aware of that difference. So that leaves us wonder what to call those UK Holiday Camps ? Leave it to the UK people I guess. There are not many left, they were of their time. In the UK context tourism=holiday_camp would work. Look on YouTube for hi-de-hi for an example of a British holiday camp set in the 50s. Actually my only reference to an American resort is Kellermans in Dirty Dancing) also set in the 50s. Phil (trigpoint ) -- Sent from my Jolla ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?
On 05/07/2015 12:52 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: I still favour tagging the road with sidewalk tags, unless the sidewalk is physically separate from the road. Otherwise you are limited to crossing at defined points. Many people ARE limited to crossing at predefined points. A kerb IS a physical separation. Unless the roads you're mapping have sidewalks flush with the road, it's at best a low-detail approximation. --Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?
On 05/07/2015 01:02 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: +1 for solution 1. It's the most future-safe, it's easiest to explain, and most likely not to be misunderstood by new mappers. A few extra nodes is a small price. I also prefer solution 1. When mapping the exact location of something on the ground and making something work well for the consumer match up, that will almost always be my preference. --Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?
On 7 May 2015 at 16:57, Stefan Hahmann stefan.hahm...@geog.uni-heidelberg.de wrote: Dear all, I would like to raise a discussion about possible options of how to tag/model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications. As this can get quite complex, I have put some illustrating figures on this discussion page in the OSM Wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:footway%3Dsidewalk#How_to_model_sidewalks.2C_crossings_and_kerbs_with_respect_to_routing_applications.3F Any feedback either via this list or directly on the discussion page is welcome. It's probably not helped by your confusing diagrams. They are mere crossroads - two highways crossing each other presumably both tagged with sidewalk=both. Do this and think about the problem again. -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Camps
On Thu, 2015-05-07 at 07:12 +, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: OK Phil, I was not aware of that difference. So that leaves us wonder what to call those UK Holiday Camps ? Leave it to the UK people I guess. There are not many left, they were of their time. In the UK context tourism=holiday_camp would work. I have seen enough of them in old British films. More than enough ! So, it seems they are not something we need consider when designing a suite of tools tor describing camps ? Good ! David Look on YouTube for hi-de-hi for an example of a British holiday camp set in the 50s. Actually my only reference to an American resort is Kellermans in Dirty Dancing) also set in the 50s. Phil (trigpoint ) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Wiki Talk] Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?
I'm really not sure what this discussion is doing on tagging and have redirected follow ups to talk (it has in the matter of a few mails already gone substantially off-topic though). The page in question is actually a fork of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Map_Maker which was written as a response to the introduction of MM. I personally consider it dangerous to base such a comparison on anything but general principles. On the one hand you are always in danger of being out of date and at least in a legal grey zone if not already out side of it, on the other hand it tends to degenerate in to political/point of view material, are all commercial companies actually evil as Xxzme version seems to imply? Simon Am 07.05.2015 um 03:59 schrieb jgpacker: I call people to review the wiki page Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?. link: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Why_OSM_and_not_another_collaborative_mapping_service%3F It was written by a single user as a generic page to compare other collaborative mapping services to OSM. My issue with this page is that it's not generic at all. Am I the only one that thinks this? I didn't want to bother with this until it started being recommended elsewhere in the wiki as official. Cheers, John -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Wiki-Talk-Why-OSM-and-not-another-collaborative-mapping-service-tp5843604.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Camps
To add to that, Thailand has many tourist facilities named resort but we would call them hotels. They are not for camping. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:11 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Thu, 2015-05-07 at 07:12 +, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: OK Phil, I was not aware of that difference. So that leaves us wonder what to call those UK Holiday Camps ? Leave it to the UK people I guess. There are not many left, they were of their time. In the UK context tourism=holiday_camp would work. I have seen enough of them in old British films. More than enough ! So, it seems they are not something we need consider when designing a suite of tools tor describing camps ? Good ! David Look on YouTube for hi-de-hi for an example of a British holiday camp set in the 50s. Actually my only reference to an American resort is Kellermans in Dirty Dancing) also set in the 50s. Phil (trigpoint ) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?
On 7 May 2015 at 17:52, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I still favour tagging the road with sidewalk tags, unless the sidewalk is physically separate from the road. Otherwise you are limited to crossing at defined points. Phil (trigpoint) That appears to be the correct way for routing purposes. -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tagging village sign
Hi all, Tips on tagging a village sign please. Village sign: an ornate sign located fairly central to the village - such as on the village green. -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: There is confusion between monument and memorial ... suggest follow the definitions under the OSM tag historic .. where monument is large ... as in you can walk inside it, over it. memorial is small .. say a plaque As far as I can tell, the distinction is about size, but vague words like small and large used, and the examples given are at the extreme ends (building vs. plaque). People need more guidelines to know where the dividing line is in the middle. For example, is there a certain height (3m? 5m? 10m?) where a tower or pillar changes from memorial to monument? Or a certain amount of area (10 sq m? 25? 100?) something covers to change from memorial to monument? By way of example, on the historic=memorial page, there is a photo of a stone cross over 5m tall which could certainly fit the way monument is defined on that page An object, especially large and made of stone, built to remember and show respect to a person or group of people I don't especially care where the line is, but if people are concerned about mistagging then this should be clarified. Thanks, Brad ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?
Dear all, I would like to raise a discussion about possible options of how to tag/model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications. As this can get quite complex, I have put some illustrating figures on this discussion page in the OSM Wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:footway%3Dsidewalk#How_to_model_sidewalks.2C_crossings_and_kerbs_with_respect_to_routing_applications.3F Any feedback either via this list or directly on the discussion page is welcome. My current favourite would be either solution 3 (which is easiest to implement in current routing engines) or solution 1 (for the sake of actual correct modeling). Maybe there are even more (better?) solutions? Best. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?
+1 for solution 1. It's the most future-safe, it's easiest to explain, and most likely not to be misunderstood by new mappers. A few extra nodes is a small price. Janko čet, 7. svi 2015. 18:49 Mike N nice...@att.net je napisao: I tend to migrate toward solution 1 in urban environments. It takes additional work, but in the end, it seems that routing applications have the richest and most accurate set of data to work with. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?
On 5/7/2015 11:57 AM, Stefan Hahmann wrote: My current favourite would be either solution 3 (which is easiest to implement in current routing engines) or solution 1 (for the sake of actual correct modeling). Maybe there are even more (better?) solutions? I tend to migrate toward solution 1 in urban environments. It takes additional work, but in the end, it seems that routing applications have the richest and most accurate set of data to work with. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?
On Thu, 2015-05-07 at 17:57 +0200, Stefan Hahmann wrote: Dear all, I would like to raise a discussion about possible options of how to tag/model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications. As this can get quite complex, I have put some illustrating figures on this discussion page in the OSM Wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:footway%3Dsidewalk#How_to_model_sidewalks.2C_crossings_and_kerbs_with_respect_to_routing_applications.3F Any feedback either via this list or directly on the discussion page is welcome. My current favourite would be either solution 3 (which is easiest to implement in current routing engines) or solution 1 (for the sake of actual correct modeling). Maybe there are even more (better?) solutions? I still favour tagging the road with sidewalk tags, unless the sidewalk is physically separate from the road. Otherwise you are limited to crossing at defined points. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument
In Croatia historic=monument is often wrongly used to tag all types of sculptures. Only a dedicated icon for sculptures (tourism=artwork + artwork_type=sculpture) can fix that. Janko čet, 7. svi 2015. 18:05 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com je napisao: On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: There is confusion between monument and memorial ... suggest follow the definitions under the OSM tag historic .. where monument is large ... as in you can walk inside it, over it. memorial is small .. say a plaque As far as I can tell, the distinction is about size, but vague words like small and large used, and the examples given are at the extreme ends (building vs. plaque). People need more guidelines to know where the dividing line is in the middle. For example, is there a certain height (3m? 5m? 10m?) where a tower or pillar changes from memorial to monument? Or a certain amount of area (10 sq m? 25? 100?) something covers to change from memorial to monument? By way of example, on the historic=memorial page, there is a photo of a stone cross over 5m tall which could certainly fit the way monument is defined on that page An object, especially large and made of stone, built to remember and show respect to a person or group of people I don't especially care where the line is, but if people are concerned about mistagging then this should be clarified. Thanks, Brad ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
