Re: [Tagging] Tagging for an American Wild & Scenic river

[Brad Neuhauser]

"Wild and Scenic River" is specifically mentioned on the wiki as
boundary=protected_area, protect_class=5. Look at the table for
nature-protected areas
,
and scroll down to the US section. Cheers, Brad

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Kevin Kenny 
wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>> On 3 February 2018 at 12:00, Kevin Kenny 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Dave Swarthout 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I asked this question last week of the OSM Help community:

 I'm looking for tagging that will indicate that a particular river in
 the United States is a "Wild and Scenic River" as defined by the Wild &
 Scenic Rivers Act. I have searched with Overpass for waterway=* that also
 has a scenic=yes tag but it turned up no results. Can anyone provide some
 guidance and/or examples?

 Like you, I know of the Wild, Scenic and Recreational Rivers
>>> designations.
>>> Like you, I lack a good way to tag them.
>>> If nobody else has come up with anything - and do let's also ask on
>>> talk-us,
>>> since this is a peculiarly American designation - then let's invent
>>> something
>>> and Wikify it.
>>>
>>> Without knowing the details of just what a "Wild Scenic" river is, could
>> you use the nature=conservation tag in conjunction with waterway=?
>>
>
> Wild and Scenic Rivers are linear protected areas designated by statute in
> the US.  https://www.rivers.gov/
>
> Designating the waterway itself is a good start, but Wild and Scenic
> Rivers (also Recreational Rivers in New York State) generally also have
> associated corridors that should have some sort of boundary=protected_area
> (and we can debate what protect_class might be appropriate) associated with
> them.
>
> I'm aware of several rivers that are so designated that I've visited, but
> I've not done the necessary research to figure out how to represent them
> and their corridors. The Federal program has downloadable Public Domain
> data on its web site that I have not examined.
>
> My home state of New York actually has very few of them that are Federally
> designated - the Delaware, on the Pennsylvania line. This is because the
> State anticipated the Federal government and came up with its own
> designations http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/32739.html and came up with
> its own program to administer them http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/6033.html
> .
>
> The Federal program is not universally loved: https://www.flickr.com/
> photos/66934423@N00/10605220
>
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for an American Wild & Scenic river

[Kevin Kenny]

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> On 3 February 2018 at 12:00, Kevin Kenny 
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Dave Swarthout 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I asked this question last week of the OSM Help community:
>>>
>>> I'm looking for tagging that will indicate that a particular river in
>>> the United States is a "Wild and Scenic River" as defined by the Wild &
>>> Scenic Rivers Act. I have searched with Overpass for waterway=* that also
>>> has a scenic=yes tag but it turned up no results. Can anyone provide some
>>> guidance and/or examples?
>>>
>>> Like you, I know of the Wild, Scenic and Recreational Rivers
>> designations.
>> Like you, I lack a good way to tag them.
>> If nobody else has come up with anything - and do let's also ask on
>> talk-us,
>> since this is a peculiarly American designation - then let's invent
>> something
>> and Wikify it.
>>
>> Without knowing the details of just what a "Wild Scenic" river is, could
> you use the nature=conservation tag in conjunction with waterway=?
>

Wild and Scenic Rivers are linear protected areas designated by statute in
the US.  https://www.rivers.gov/

Designating the waterway itself is a good start, but Wild and Scenic Rivers
(also Recreational Rivers in New York State) generally also have associated
corridors that should have some sort of boundary=protected_area (and we can
debate what protect_class might be appropriate) associated with them.

I'm aware of several rivers that are so designated that I've visited, but
I've not done the necessary research to figure out how to represent them
and their corridors. The Federal program has downloadable Public Domain
data on its web site that I have not examined.

My home state of New York actually has very few of them that are Federally
designated - the Delaware, on the Pennsylvania line. This is because the
State anticipated the Federal government and came up with its own
designations http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/32739.html and came up with its
own program to administer them http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/6033.html.

The Federal program is not universally loved:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/66934423@N00/10605220
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for an American Wild & Scenic river

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On 3 February 2018 at 12:00, Kevin Kenny 
wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Dave Swarthout 
> wrote:
>
>> I asked this question last week of the OSM Help community:
>>
>> I'm looking for tagging that will indicate that a particular river in the
>> United States is a "Wild and Scenic River" as defined by the Wild & Scenic
>> Rivers Act. I have searched with Overpass for waterway=* that also has a
>> scenic=yes tag but it turned up no results. Can anyone provide some
>> guidance and/or examples?
>>
>> Like you, I know of the Wild, Scenic and Recreational Rivers designations.
> Like you, I lack a good way to tag them.
> If nobody else has come up with anything - and do let's also ask on
> talk-us,
> since this is a peculiarly American designation - then let's invent
> something
> and Wikify it.
>
> Without knowing the details of just what a "Wild Scenic" river is, could
you use the nature=conservation tag in conjunction with waterway=?
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for an American Wild & Scenic river

[Warin]

On 03-Feb-18 01:00 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Dave Swarthout 
> wrote:


I asked this question last week of the OSM Help community:

I'm looking for tagging that will indicate that a particular river
in the United States is a "Wild and Scenic River" as defined by
the Wild & Scenic Rivers Act. I have searched with Overpass for
waterway=* that also has a scenic=yes tag but it turned up no
results. Can anyone provide some guidance and/or examples?

I got one response that talked about tagging the area surrounding
such rivers, a wilderness corridor of sorts, which was useful but
beyond the scope of this first inquiry. I'm looking for a way to
tag the river itself.

I'm turning to the tagging community now for advice.


Like you, I know of the Wild, Scenic and Recreational Rivers designations.
Like you, I lack a good way to tag them.
If nobody else has come up with anything - and do let's also ask on 
talk-us,
since this is a peculiarly American designation - then let's invent 
something

and Wikify it.


I see no reason not to use scenic=yes on a waterway.
It is only an unapproved tag that is 'in use' ... so its use on 
waterways is a simple extension.


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Re: [Tagging] Tagging for an American Wild & Scenic river

[Kevin Kenny]

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Dave Swarthout 
wrote:

> I asked this question last week of the OSM Help community:
>
> I'm looking for tagging that will indicate that a particular river in the
> United States is a "Wild and Scenic River" as defined by the Wild & Scenic
> Rivers Act. I have searched with Overpass for waterway=* that also has a
> scenic=yes tag but it turned up no results. Can anyone provide some
> guidance and/or examples?
>
> I got one response that talked about tagging the area surrounding such
> rivers, a wilderness corridor of sorts, which was useful but beyond the
> scope of this first inquiry. I'm looking for a way to tag the river itself.
>
> I'm turning to the tagging community now for advice.
>

Like you, I know of the Wild, Scenic and Recreational Rivers designations.
Like you, I lack a good way to tag them.
If nobody else has come up with anything - and do let's also ask on talk-us,
since this is a peculiarly American designation - then let's invent
something
and Wikify it.
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[Tagging] Tagging for an American Wild & Scenic river

[Dave Swarthout]

I asked this question last week of the OSM Help community:

I'm looking for tagging that will indicate that a particular river in the
United States is a "Wild and Scenic River" as defined by the Wild & Scenic
Rivers Act. I have searched with Overpass for waterway=* that also has a
scenic=yes tag but it turned up no results. Can anyone provide some
guidance and/or examples?

I got one response that talked about tagging the area surrounding such
rivers, a wilderness corridor of sorts, which was useful but beyond the
scope of this first inquiry. I'm looking for a way to tag the river itself.

I'm turning to the tagging community now for advice.

Cheers,

Dave
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