Re: [Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
On 06/23/2014 05:02 PM, Alan wrote: > Hi! > > On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 23:56:49 +0200 > jvoisin wrote: >> On 06/22/2014 08:37 PM, Alan wrote: >>> I integrated the new greeter UI prototype into a working greeter. >>> Not all options works yet, but anyone interested is welcome to try >>> and give feedback. Here is the iso: >>> http://nightly.tails.boum.org/build_Tails_ISO_feature-5464-revamp-ui/ >> >> Impressive! >> > Thanks. > >> Here is my feedback: >> >> - The greeter window is not vertically centerer. > > How do you reproduce this? For me it is centered unless I resize the > (virtual) screen, which doesn't trigger a move of the window. > Can you reproduce that without changing the size of the screen? It seems that my virtual machine settings where working against me: It's indeed centered. > If not, > do you (and others) think that the greeter should take screen size > changes into account? > >> - I think that the text in the two "network configuration" buttons >> should be centered. > > Please note they are not in the current greeter. What do others think? > >> - What about making possible to use the "Esc" key to go back in the >> process? > > Yes. I didn't work yet on keyboard navigation but plan to do so if it > looks like we'll adopt this new greeter. > >> - The "network configuration" documentation is not really browsable, >> since it's not scrollable. I guess that the window is actually >> super-long, instead of having a restricted size. > > For me it is scrollable. Please provide a screenshot on not scrollable > documentation. Once againt, I'll blame my 9wrong) VM setup. Sorry. > > >> - The "mac spoofing" screen doesn't make clear that the button is a >> toggle-able one, and not the upper part of some exclusives ones. This >> is likely related to the first point. > > I suggest using a switch (similar to window camouflage) for this one. > >> - "Widows camouflage" ;) > > Please clarify. I'm quite sure you want a _windows_ camouflage, and not a _widows_ one. > >> - In "administrator password", the cursor is not automatically put in >> the first field. >> > OK. > >> Except those points, it's really nice, congratulations! > > Thanks for the feedback. > > Cheers > ___ > Tails-dev mailing list > Tails-dev@boum.org > https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev > To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to > tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. > ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
Hi! On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 23:56:49 +0200 jvoisin wrote: > On 06/22/2014 08:37 PM, Alan wrote: > > I integrated the new greeter UI prototype into a working greeter. > > Not all options works yet, but anyone interested is welcome to try > > and give feedback. Here is the iso: > > http://nightly.tails.boum.org/build_Tails_ISO_feature-5464-revamp-ui/ > > Impressive! > Thanks. > Here is my feedback: > > - The greeter window is not vertically centerer. How do you reproduce this? For me it is centered unless I resize the (virtual) screen, which doesn't trigger a move of the window. Can you reproduce that without changing the size of the screen? If not, do you (and others) think that the greeter should take screen size changes into account? > - I think that the text in the two "network configuration" buttons > should be centered. Please note they are not in the current greeter. What do others think? > - What about making possible to use the "Esc" key to go back in the > process? Yes. I didn't work yet on keyboard navigation but plan to do so if it looks like we'll adopt this new greeter. > - The "network configuration" documentation is not really browsable, > since it's not scrollable. I guess that the window is actually > super-long, instead of having a restricted size. For me it is scrollable. Please provide a screenshot on not scrollable documentation. > - The "mac spoofing" screen doesn't make clear that the button is a > toggle-able one, and not the upper part of some exclusives ones. This > is likely related to the first point. I suggest using a switch (similar to window camouflage) for this one. > - "Widows camouflage" ;) Please clarify. > - In "administrator password", the cursor is not automatically put in > the first field. > OK. > Except those points, it's really nice, congratulations! Thanks for the feedback. Cheers ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
On 06/22/2014 08:37 PM, Alan wrote: > Hi, > > I integrated the new greeter UI prototype into a working greeter. Not > all options works yet, but anyone interested is welcome to try and give > feedback. Here is the iso: > http://nightly.tails.boum.org/build_Tails_ISO_feature-5464-revamp-ui/ Impressive! Here is my feedback: - The greeter window is not vertically centerer. - I think that the text in the two "network configuration" buttons should be centered. - What about making possible to use the "Esc" key to go back in the process? - The "network configuration" documentation is not really browsable, since it's not scrollable. I guess that the window is actually super-long, instead of having a restricted size. - The "mac spoofing" screen doesn't make clear that the button is a toggle-able one, and not the upper part of some exclusives ones. This is likely related to the first point. - "Widows camouflage" ;) - In "administrator password", the cursor is not automatically put in the first field. Except those points, it's really nice, congratulations! ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
Hi, I integrated the new greeter UI prototype into a working greeter. Not all options works yet, but anyone interested is welcome to try and give feedback. Here is the iso: http://nightly.tails.boum.org/build_Tails_ISO_feature-5464-revamp-ui/ This is tracked as https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/5319. Cheers signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
On 04/10/12 21:21, a...@boum.org wrote: > > Hi, > > Some time ago, I wrote: > >> From: a...@boum.org >> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:44:15 +0200 >> >> As you have probably experienced, tails-greeter UI is far from >> ergonomic. Thus, some of use discussed plans to improve the situations[1]. >> >> These plans include asking for your input on UI design proposals. >> We will then propose 1 or 2 implementations, get them tested and see >> what happens. >> >> So it's time for those who care to send what you find relevant, be it >> suggestions about something not to forget about, proposals or user >> experience workflow, UI mockups or anything else. > > Well no answer so far... but I took some time to play on this, and have > some mockups to propose. Please test! > > Everything is on the ticket, under the title "Prototypes": > > https://tails.boum.org/todo/tails-greeter:_revamp_UI/ > > Download everything in > > https://tails.boum.org/todo/tails-greeter:_revamp_UI/mockups/ > > or better clone the git, go to the directory and: > > $ ./mockup.py [-v ] [-p] > > Dependencies: gtk3, python gobject introspection (basically debian wheezy) > > My goals for the interface was: > > - read in "natural" order: top to bottom > - no hidden windows/options > - easy to adapt to right-to-left languages RTL > - inspired/similar to GNOME3 "system perferences" > > I'd like to hear about: > > - your overall impression? > - should keyboard selectable independently from locale in one click? > - your navigation experience? > - where should the locales box be? First of all, it's really great to be able to test UI mockups like this! And I think they all improve on the current Trail Greeter. Regarding the comparison with GNOME System Settings, I feel that the idea of Tails Greeter is to offer a nice way of navigating between possible options, changing none or many of them, and then log in. On the other hand, GNOME System Settings is more focus towards helping you to find the particular setting that you want to modify and then be done with it. I felt this idea of moving back and forth between possible options work better in version 3, where the set of possible options always stays visible and the settings for a particular option appears in another pane. Otherwise, if the possible options disappear when you select one, you might think that you are in a sequence of windows, like in the current Greeter. But I also like better the horizontal listing of the options from all the versions. I see we can fit nicely two rows of 6 options, but I fear that wouldn't work with the more vertical setup. Regarding the language and persistence options. I also prefer version 3: I think it's enough to have the language option that can be expanded in the side pane just as the other ones, as long as it is the one shown be default when opening on Tails Greeter. But then I would separate it from the “Persistence” which would be another option, say the second one in the list. I would group Language with Keyboard and have “Language & Keyboard” that would show widgets to choose the language, the region and the keyboard. If the keyboard widget is smart and adapts to what's in the language and region options, then that's perfect. To sum up, I would go for version 3 but with an horizontal layout and separate “Language & Keyboard” and “Persistence” options. Does that make sense? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev
Re: [Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
hi, a...@boum.org wrote (04 Oct 2012 19:21:57 GMT) : > Well no answer so far... but I took some time to play on this, and > have some mockups to propose. Please test! > I'd like to hear about: > - your overall impression? I like it. > - should keyboard selectable independently from locale in > one click? If the keyboard auto-selection in function of the chosen locale was working well, then I would answer "not necessarily". But in the current state of Tails Greeter: keyboard layout is imperfectly (if at all) selected in function of the chosen locale (at least, selecting French language + Swiss locale => French keyboard layout), so someone wanting French language + Swiss keyboard (they do exist, don't they?) + persistence would have to go back and forth (e.g. in v3, select language and region, then move to the keyboard layout options, then come back to persistence UI). > - your navigation experience? I like the two-steps language -> region selection UI. About v1 - v3: if we some day have some Tails Greeter settings stored in the encrypted persistent volume, then in these mockups it's unclear when the persistent volume would actually be unlocked, and persistent settings applied. v4 and v5 look very much clearer on this front. I don't like the persistence UI being hidden in v4. I prefer the way it is in v5. > - where should the locales box be? I dislike the one on the left (v2). In the current state of Tails, I prefer the mockups where one can choose their preferred language on top. However, once we get this persistent (by moving the main place where we intend this choice to be done to Tails USB installer), then this should probably be changed so that this option stands out less. Also: In the options that are presented as a list or toggle button (e.g. keyboard selection, Windows Camouflage), what if a single-click (or state change) on the main widget was enough to change the state and go back to the main menu? This might feel a bit odd compared to how the rest of the desktop works, but it would be a time-saver. I'm unsure. About v3: how does the "main menu on the left" fit with RTL speakers? Would the menu have to switch to the right once a RTL language is selected? That's all for now. Cheers, -- intrigeri | GnuPG key @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/intrigeri.asc | OTR fingerprint @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/otr.asc ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev
Re: [Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
Hi, > From: a...@boum.org > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 21:21:57 +0200 > > Well no answer so far... but I took some time to play on this, and have > some mockups to propose. Please test! > I added screenshots to encourage the lazy ones to have a look and hopefully test: https://tails.boum.org/todo/tails-greeter:_revamp_UI/ Cheers -- pgpTGib979fGj.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev
Re: [Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
> From: sajol...@pimienta.org > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:15:01 +0200 > On 04/10/12 21:21, a...@boum.org wrote: > > [...] > > > > or better clone the git, go to the directory and: > > > > $ ./mockup.py [-v ] [-p] > > I'm excited about see that! > > I was not able to find the mockup.py script in Tails Greeter repository. > Where is it? > In amnesia's master: wiki/src/todo/tails-greeter:_revamp_UI/mockups/ Sorry for the unclearness, Cheers -- pgp4zat44AQBr.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev
Re: [Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
On 04/10/12 21:21, a...@boum.org wrote: > > Hi, > > Some time ago, I wrote: > >> From: a...@boum.org >> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:44:15 +0200 >> >> As you have probably experienced, tails-greeter UI is far from >> ergonomic. Thus, some of use discussed plans to improve the situations[1]. >> >> These plans include asking for your input on UI design proposals. >> We will then propose 1 or 2 implementations, get them tested and see >> what happens. >> >> So it's time for those who care to send what you find relevant, be it >> suggestions about something not to forget about, proposals or user >> experience workflow, UI mockups or anything else. > > Well no answer so far... but I took some time to play on this, and have > some mockups to propose. Please test! > > Everything is on the ticket, under the title "Prototypes": > > https://tails.boum.org/todo/tails-greeter:_revamp_UI/ > > Download everything in > > https://tails.boum.org/todo/tails-greeter:_revamp_UI/mockups/ > > or better clone the git, go to the directory and: > > $ ./mockup.py [-v ] [-p] I'm excited about see that! I was not able to find the mockup.py script in Tails Greeter repository. Where is it? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev
Re: [Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
Hi, Some time ago, I wrote: > From: a...@boum.org > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:44:15 +0200 > > As you have probably experienced, tails-greeter UI is far from > ergonomic. Thus, some of use discussed plans to improve the situations[1]. > > These plans include asking for your input on UI design proposals. > We will then propose 1 or 2 implementations, get them tested and see > what happens. > > So it's time for those who care to send what you find relevant, be it > suggestions about something not to forget about, proposals or user > experience workflow, UI mockups or anything else. Well no answer so far... but I took some time to play on this, and have some mockups to propose. Please test! Everything is on the ticket, under the title "Prototypes": https://tails.boum.org/todo/tails-greeter:_revamp_UI/ Download everything in https://tails.boum.org/todo/tails-greeter:_revamp_UI/mockups/ or better clone the git, go to the directory and: $ ./mockup.py [-v ] [-p] Dependencies: gtk3, python gobject introspection (basically debian wheezy) My goals for the interface was: - read in "natural" order: top to bottom - no hidden windows/options - easy to adapt to right-to-left languages RTL - inspired/similar to GNOME3 "system perferences" I'd like to hear about: - your overall impression? - should keyboard selectable independently from locale in one click? - your navigation experience? - where should the locales box be? Cheers -- pgp1muvNUvL1g.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev
[Tails-dev] Tails-greeter UI redesign
Hi everybody, As you have probably experienced, tails-greeter UI is far from ergonomic. Thus, some of use discussed plans to improve the situations[1]. These plans include asking for your input on UI design proposals. We will then propose 1 or 2 implementations, get them tested and see what happens. So it's time for those who care to send what you find relevant, be it suggestions about something not to forget about, proposals or user experience workflow, UI mockups or anything else. Please keep in mind that: - we want something simple enough for the 1st time user but practical for all Tails users; - we will get more "advanced" options in the future. The ones who draft new t-g UI may want to have a look at gnome's studies on the subject[2]. By the way, we are likely to issue another call for help to test these UI prototypes when they are ready. Hoping to hear from you, Cheers, Alan [1]. https://tails.boum.org/todo/tails-greeter:_revamp_UI/ [2]. https://live.gnome.org/Design/HIG https://live.gnome.org/Design/HIG/GeneralGuidelines -- pgpFssanUOH2P.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev
