[OSM-talk] dangerous bug in josm-latest (rev. 2292)

2009-10-16 Thread SLXViper
Hi there,

josm has a quite dangerous bug destroying data randomly [1], at least
revision 2292 is affected. It couldn't yet be reproduced reliably but
has been observed by multiple users.
Please add a comment to the ticket if you can contribute some
information to facilitate debugging.

best regards

[1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/3728

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Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Liz writes:
 > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote:
 > >  > simple example
 > >  > I tagged shop=lawyer
 > >  > On this list someone said that they didn't think that lawyer belonged in
 > > shop > but office=legal.
 > >
 > > I saw that.  Simply because someone else offered a different idea
 > > doesn't make your idea "not good".  If I suggested that it should be
 > > tagged "shop=office" AND "office=legal", would that be a better idea?
 > This comes from a discussion of whether we should
 >  tag and be dammed or 
 > spend all night searching the wiki for an appropriate combination or
 > write a schema covering every possible case before we make an edit.
 > 
 > I don't believe that any one is correct to the exclusion of all others

Ah!  Then you agree with me, because I propose that people tag AND
read/write to the wiki.  Neither being damned nor staying up all
night.

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Re: [OSM-talk] STRATO sponsors three servers for use by OSM

2009-10-16 Thread Richard Mann
Maybe call them the "Berlin" servers for forwards compatibility?

Richard

2009/10/16 Dirk-Lüder Kreie 

> Frederik Ramm schrieb:
>
> > While we do casually refer to these new servers as the "German" dev
> > server and the "German" tile server, they are open to all members of the
> > worldwide OSM community.
>
> Well they are the german servers because they reside there, I don't see
> that as a discrimination to call the servers by location.
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Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] source=walking-paper

2009-10-16 Thread Ed Avis
  poczta.fm> writes:

>I am digitizing my first walking paper. I am tagging everything new with 
>
>source=survey 
>source:ref=http://www.walking-papers.org/scan.php?id=78mvb9xn
> 
>Is there any better and established way to do it?

Rather than tagging each object individually with the same redundant 
information,
which later mappers must then remember to change as they update your work,
would it not be better to attach this information to the changeset?

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Re: [OSM-talk] New OSMF/OSM Blog

2009-10-16 Thread Shaun McDonald
I've just added http://blog.osmfoundation.org/ to http://blogs.openstreetmap.org/ 
 (Yep watch that s again)


Shaun

On 16 Oct 2009, at 11:06, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:

OSMF has established a new Blog which will be used to communicate  
official

announcements and other OSM specific news. You can find it at
http://blog.openstreetmap.org/ or http://blog.osmfoundation.org/

We've kicked off with a first blog about the procurement of the
openstreetmaps.org domain and are looking for donations to cover the  
£800

cost of the acquisition. More, and a donate link, in the blog.

Cheers

Andy

Andy Robinson
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0777 553 7872
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Name & Registered Office:
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Re: [OSM-talk] STRATO sponsors three servers for use by OSM

2009-10-16 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Frederik Ramm schrieb:

> While we do casually refer to these new servers as the "German" dev 
> server and the "German" tile server, they are open to all members of the 
> worldwide OSM community.

Well they are the german servers because they reside there, I don't see
that as a discrimination to call the servers by location.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?

2009-10-16 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
 wrote:
> I think 0.2 may have had both ways (though not called that at the time) and
> areas but there was no user side interface to enable them to be added to the
> database. Areas was later dropped in favour of a closed way.

I think api 0.2 used  instead of 


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Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?

2009-10-16 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Frederik Ramm wrote:
>Sent: 16 October 2009 10:30 AM
>To: Grant Slater
>Cc: Talk OSM
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?
>
>Hi,
>
>Grant Slater wrote:
>> Brief API (+data format) history...
>> 0.3 -> (remove segments?) 0.4 -> (+relations) 0.5 -> (+changesets) 0.6
>
>No, 0.3 and 0.4 were identical as far as the XML format is concerned.
>0.5 then removed segments and introduced relations in one step.
>
>(I think that 0.2 didn't have ways, only nodes+segments but that was
>before my time.)

I think 0.2 may have had both ways (though not called that at the time) and
areas but there was no user side interface to enable them to be added to the
database. Areas was later dropped in favour of a closed way.

Cheers

Andy

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>Bye
>Frederik
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[OSM-talk] [tagging] source=walking-paper

2009-10-16 Thread stlman
Hello.

I am digitizing my first walking paper. I am tagging everything new with 

source=survey 
source:ref=http://www.walking-papers.org/scan.php?id=78mvb9xn

Is there any better and established way to do it?

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[OSM-talk] New OSMF/OSM Blog

2009-10-16 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
OSMF has established a new Blog which will be used to communicate official
announcements and other OSM specific news. You can find it at
http://blog.openstreetmap.org/ or http://blog.osmfoundation.org/ 

We've kicked off with a first blog about the procurement of the
openstreetmaps.org domain and are looking for donations to cover the £800
cost of the acquisition. More, and a donate link, in the blog.

Cheers

Andy

Andy Robinson
Treasurer
OpenStreetMap Foundation
0777 553 7872
a...@osmfoundation.org

Name & Registered Office:
Openstreetmap Foundation
16 Oakfield Glade
Weybridge
Surrey
KT13 9DP
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Registration No. 05912761.




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[OSM-talk] Rapid rendering with Javascript

2009-10-16 Thread paul youlten
Just stumbled on this page:

http://nsf.free.fr/index.htm

which uses the new lightweight gRaphael Javascript graphing library
(http://g.raphaeljs.com) to render 5.5Mb of polygon data into a SVG
map of France in less than a second (at least on FF3.0, Ubuntu 9.04).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?

2009-10-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Grant Slater wrote:
> Brief API (+data format) history...
> 0.3 -> (remove segments?) 0.4 -> (+relations) 0.5 -> (+changesets) 0.6

No, 0.3 and 0.4 were identical as far as the XML format is concerned. 
0.5 then removed segments and introduced relations in one step.

(I think that 0.2 didn't have ways, only nodes+segments but that was 
before my time.)

Bye
Frederik


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[OSM-talk] Freemap blog now up again, including Footnav updates

2009-10-16 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hello everyone,

After a long period of being down, largely due to being too busy with 
other things, the Freemap blog, which focuses on UK countryside mapping 
and my own development projects in this area, is now up again at:

http://www.free-map.org.uk/wordpress/

If you're following the Footnav and/or FreemapMobile projects, updates on 
these projects will be detailed on the Freemap blog as they happen.

Nick

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Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-16 Thread Liz
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote:
>  > simple example
>  > I tagged shop=lawyer
>  > On this list someone said that they didn't think that lawyer belonged in
> shop > but office=legal.
>
> I saw that.  Simply because someone else offered a different idea
> doesn't make your idea "not good".  If I suggested that it should be
> tagged "shop=office" AND "office=legal", would that be a better idea?
This comes from a discussion of whether we should
 tag and be dammed or 
spend all night searching the wiki for an appropriate combination or
write a schema covering every possible case before we make an edit.

I don't believe that any one is correct to the exclusion of all others




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Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?

2009-10-16 Thread Grant Slater
2009/10/16 Frederik Ramm :
>
> Yes, it's called planet.openstreetmap.org!
>

Also... (additional files here)
http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/openstreetmap.org/

Brief API (+data format) history...
0.3 -> (remove segments?) 0.4 -> (+relations) 0.5 -> (+changesets) 0.6

/ Grant

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Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?

2009-10-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Ciprian Talaba wrote:
> Is there a place where we can download old planet files, from 2007 for 
> example?

Yes, it's called planet.openstreetmap.org!

Note, however, that if you go any earlier than October 2007 you will 
encounter version 0.4 planet files which cannot be processed using 
today's tools. You will have to use SVN to retrieve an old version of

/applications/utils/osm-extract/planetosm-excerpt-area.pl

from SVN, and then use

/applications/utils/conv05/04to05.pl

to produce a version 0.5 extract which can be processed with today's tools.

You can also get a primitive history animation (only nodes shown as 
dots) from labs.geofabrik.de/history, or if you give me the bbox then I 
could make an animated GIF like the ones on 
http://www.geofabrik.de/gallery/history/. But I must admit that the ITO 
animations look best so if you get them to do one that would be preferable.

Bye
Frederik

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