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Thanks for the warm welcome Mike ;-) Steve, best of luck! If your decision was made with personal health and joy in life in mind, you couldn't have made a better choice. God spede! 2010/10/7 Mike Collinson > My very best to Steve. I've been through this with my own baby, a digital > animation company, and it is a bruising experience. > > I continue to welcome in the OSM community anyone who is lucky enough to be > also professionally or entrepreneurially engaged and personally rather hope > Steve finds a new angle. > > Mike > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Milo van der Linden Open Source Geospatial consultant dogodigi - Geospatial solutions Beukenlaan 2 5261LE Vught T. +31616598808 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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My very best to Steve. I've been through this with my own baby, a digital animation company, and it is a bruising experience. I continue to welcome in the OSM community anyone who is lucky enough to be also professionally or entrepreneurially engaged and personally rather hope Steve finds a new angle. Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Nic Roets wrote: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Richard Weait wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: >>> Op 06-10-10 15:12, Nic Roets schreef: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC wrote: > On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote: >> >> http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade > > What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder? It may remove a conflict of interest problem or two ?? >>> >>> He is still shareholder, as is stated in the message. That shows that >>> there is a potential financial conflict of interest. For example if OSM >>> switches license, it can be good for Cloudmade or bad for them, he could >>> defend his own financial position. > > He will definitely be more independent now that he doesn't spend 8 > hours a day in close proximity to the CM employees and he never has > meetings with their lawyers (see some of the discussions on legal-talk > in recent months). > >> Y'all have a funny way of demonstrating your warm wishes for his >> future and presumption of good faith. > > Unlike you, I guess I'm just seeing him and his wife as ordinary > members of the team (taking into account code written, keynote > speeches etc). So yes, good luck to him and good luck to anyone else > on this list changing careers. > > And saying someone has a conflict on interest is not an insult. Nor > should it lead to automatic exclusion from debates or votes. But it > should be mentioned. Thank you for your warm thoughts. Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: >> Op 06-10-10 15:12, Nic Roets schreef: >>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC >>> wrote: On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote: > > http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder? >>> >>> It may remove a conflict of interest problem or two ?? >> >> He is still shareholder, as is stated in the message. That shows that >> there is a potential financial conflict of interest. For example if OSM >> switches license, it can be good for Cloudmade or bad for them, he could >> defend his own financial position. He will definitely be more independent now that he doesn't spend 8 hours a day in close proximity to the CM employees and he never has meetings with their lawyers (see some of the discussions on legal-talk in recent months). > Y'all have a funny way of demonstrating your warm wishes for his > future and presumption of good faith. Unlike you, I guess I'm just seeing him and his wife as ordinary members of the team (taking into account code written, keynote speeches etc). So yes, good luck to him and good luck to anyone else on this list changing careers. And saying someone has a conflict on interest is not an insult. Nor should it lead to automatic exclusion from debates or votes. But it should be mentioned. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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TimSC wrote, "What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder?" I'm hoping that it means that he has more time and more flexability to fight the OSMTrolls. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > Op 06-10-10 15:12, Nic Roets schreef: >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC >> wrote: >>> On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade >>> >>> What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder? >> >> It may remove a conflict of interest problem or two ?? > > He is still shareholder, as is stated in the message. That shows that > there is a potential financial conflict of interest. For example if OSM > switches license, it can be good for Cloudmade or bad for them, he could > defend his own financial position. Y'all have a funny way of demonstrating your warm wishes for his future and presumption of good faith. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 06-10-10 15:12, Nic Roets schreef: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC > wrote: >> On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote: >>> >>> http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade >> >> What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder? > > It may remove a conflict of interest problem or two ?? He is still shareholder, as is stated in the message. That shows that there is a potential financial conflict of interest. For example if OSM switches license, it can be good for Cloudmade or bad for them, he could defend his own financial position. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkysgSYACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn1nAQCeIKiH42Q9+iSlqF/QEtGajn9i oQAAn0OgNeGvDuYxywd39YZOGudKsKhN =81bm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Nic Roets wrote: > But more importantly, it shows to me that the feature curve or novelty > factor of OSM is flattening out. Once you have efficient rendering, > searching and routing and the community is no longer growing > exponentially, it's just hard work to polish everything. All the more reason I'm so impressed at what Wikipedia is up to these days. Far from stagnating, they've got a huge number of outreach-type programs on the boil, pushing out into new countries, coming up with new ways to improve quality and coverage... (On the OSM front, the recent announcements of SchemaTroll and Taginfo are very positive developments...) Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC wrote: > On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote: >> >> http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade > > What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder? It may remove a conflict of interest problem or two ?? But more importantly, it shows to me that the feature curve or novelty factor of OSM is flattening out. Once you have efficient rendering, searching and routing and the community is no longer growing exponentially, it's just hard work to polish everything. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder? TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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I hope everything is okay at CM. I worked at ArsDigita during a time when the founder was being pushed out by VC investors (Greylock and General Atlantic) who then attempted to take the company in a different direction. It wasn't a happy time for many employees, and the new product we worked on was a bit of a trainwreck. That said, the dotcom crash cannot have helped. I don't see any announcement about this on Cloudmade's blog, but then I didn't really expect to. Is Nick Black still there? Any other old-time OSMers still? -- Ed Avis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade I am not convinced it is real until Fake Steve C. says so. All jokes aside, best of luck to him. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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