Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated
Support addition of motor_vehicle to presets for highway=track ... This would usefully match a 'restricted byway' in England - as opposed to a 'byway open to all traffic' (BOAT). Mike Harris > -Original Message- > From: Craig Wallace [mailto:craig...@fastmail.fm] > Sent: 30 August 2009 15:56 > To: talk@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and > motorcar=yes/designated > > On 30/08/2009 08:24, Christoph Eckert wrote: > >> If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path. > >> > > I better should resist to abuse my dictatorship for tagging > politics ;-) . > > Anyway, I have removed motorcar from the list of options, > as tagwatch > > does not show significant use (10 times motorcar=no in > Europe). If the > > removal triggers some complaints, I'll reenable it. > > > There seems to be something wrong with those Tagwatch stats, > as Tagwatch lists over 4000 uses of motorcar=no for > highway=path for Germany. Though I suspect many of them are > set by people just because its listed in the JOSM presets. > I would agree with its removal anyway from the prests anyway, > as it just causes confusion. Maybe it would be more useful to > have the option for motorcycle or motor_vehicle instead? > > And on a related note, it would be useful to have > motor_vehicle in the presets for highway=track. > It would save having to set both motorcar and motorcycle, as > both are usually prohibited on most tracks around here. > > Craig > > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/8/30 Christoph Eckert : > >> If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path. > > +1 > > > Anyway, I have removed motorcar from the list of options, as tagwatch > > does not show significant use (10 times motorcar=no in Europe). If the > > removal triggers some complaints, I'll reenable it. > > thank you. I think it was a good decision to remove motorcar as option > from path as Pieren said: if cars can use the way, it's at least a > track. Sometimes paths are signed with prohibition signs for motorcars, in which case it does make sense to tag the paths with motorcar=no. Cars don't have to be able to use the road to put that sign there. Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: > And on a related note, it would be useful to have motor_vehicle in the > presets for highway=track. > It would save having to set both motorcar and motorcycle, as both are > usually prohibited on most tracks around here. Not in many countries. I couldn't give a track default access restriction in France for instance. It's really depending on the region. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated
On 30/08/2009 08:24, Christoph Eckert wrote: >> If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path. >> > I better should resist to abuse my dictatorship for tagging politics ;-) . > Anyway, I have removed motorcar from the list of options, as tagwatch does not > show significant use (10 times motorcar=no in Europe). If the removal triggers > some complaints, I'll reenable it. > There seems to be something wrong with those Tagwatch stats, as Tagwatch lists over 4000 uses of motorcar=no for highway=path for Germany. Though I suspect many of them are set by people just because its listed in the JOSM presets. I would agree with its removal anyway from the prests anyway, as it just causes confusion. Maybe it would be more useful to have the option for motorcycle or motor_vehicle instead? And on a related note, it would be useful to have motor_vehicle in the presets for highway=track. It would save having to set both motorcar and motorcycle, as both are usually prohibited on most tracks around here. Craig ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated
2009/8/30 Christoph Eckert : >> If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path. +1 > Anyway, I have removed motorcar from the list of options, as tagwatch does not > show significant use (10 times motorcar=no in Europe). If the removal triggers > some complaints, I'll reenable it. > thank you. I think it was a good decision to remove motorcar as option from path as Pieren said: if cars can use the way, it's at least a track. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated
Hi, > Hi, I would really appreciate if the JOSM presets dictators could > remove the option about motorcar in the JOSM presets dialog. > > We get on the french ML more and more complains about the confusion > between unclassified, tracks, footway, path, etc. If in addition, the > JOSM presets about highway=path suggests that a path is also for > motorcars, we will never stop ! I agree there is some fuzzyness between unclassified, track, footway, cycleway and path. But this fuzzyness cannot be removed just by changing the JOSM presets. > If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path. I better should resist to abuse my dictatorship for tagging politics ;-) . Anyway, I have removed motorcar from the list of options, as tagwatch does not show significant use (10 times motorcar=no in Europe). If the removal triggers some complaints, I'll reenable it. HTH, ce ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated
Hi, I would really appreciate if the JOSM presets dictators could remove the option about motorcar in the JOSM presets dialog. We get on the french ML more and more complains about the confusion between unclassified, tracks, footway, path, etc. If in addition, the JOSM presets about highway=path suggests that a path is also for motorcars, we will never stop ! If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
