[OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names
Wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which contains a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with streetnames missing from osm at the time of preparation highlighted - these need adding to osm. There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have been looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told me which have been done and which haven't, except for the last page which has the No named streets in this section comment. Can anyone say which of these has been done? Adrian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names
Hi Adrian I also had a look at these maps and I still don't understand completely how they relate to OSM. The map already displays the OSMs road network, but where do the street names in the USGS map come from? They aren't taken from OSM, are they? Are there indeed two road networks in the USGS map, one in maroon (from OSM) and one from an unknown source (in black)? For my taste, navigation in the PDF atlas is too complicated (for mappers, people in the field may find it useful) and comparing the street names manually with names displayed on a slippymap in another instance is way too complicated too. Are the USGS maps available as tiles served by a WMS server? Regards Karl Am 25.01.2010 18:13, schrieb Adrian Brain: Wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which contains a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with streetnames missing from osm at the time of preparation highlighted - these need adding to osm. There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have been looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told me which have been done and which haven't, except for the last page which has the No named streets in this section comment. Can anyone say which of these has been done? Adrian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names
Hi Karl, I had trouble understanding what these were too. The pdf's are from Delta State University (here) and represent the difference between the road names on the USGS maps and the road names on osm. Names present on the USGS maps but NOT in osm are highlighted in black. That is very useful, but there are roughly ninety docs with twenty (image) pages in each giving 1800 separate comparisons to be made. Also, updates will have been made to osm, from other sources, since the extract. So if a name is in black in the pdf but now present in osm that still does not indicate whether that area has been done or not. (And that doesn't include the work of actually putting names into osm when they are found) As each pdf is done it needs to be commented as such. I'm happy to start on the job but want to wait for some time in case anyone has already done some of the work. We can't afford to do such large amounts of work twice if we can avoid it. It would make sense to work outwards from PaP but it is the towns where the comparison is most laborious/time-consuming. Regards, Adrian. --- On Mon, 25/1/10, Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch wrote: From: Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names To: talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 17:34 Hi Adrian I also had a look at these maps and I still don't understand completely how they relate to OSM. The map already displays the OSMs road network, but where do the street names in the USGS map come from? They aren't taken from OSM, are they? Are there indeed two road networks in the USGS map, one in maroon (from OSM) and one from an unknown source (in black)? For my taste, navigation in the PDF atlas is too complicated (for mappers, people in the field may find it useful) and comparing the street names manually with names displayed on a slippymap in another instance is way too complicated too. Are the USGS maps available as tiles served by a WMS server? Regards Karl Am 25.01.2010 18:13, schrieb Adrian Brain: Wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which contains a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with streetnames missing from osm at the time of preparation highlighted - these need adding to osm. There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have been looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told me which have been done and which haven't, except for the last page which has the No named streets in this section comment. Can anyone say which of these has been done? Adrian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names
Is the whole thing on the wiki just wrong? I haven't looked extensively, but the street names appear to match up. This would make sense as the map says Street data courtesy openstreetmap.org If there were any other data, it would probably be from MINUSTAH, but that's already mentioned on the OSM Street Names page. Has anyone seen a specific example of where the USGS maps have more street data than OSM? Brad On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Adrian Brain adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi Karl, I had trouble understanding what these were too. The pdf's are from Delta State University (herehttp://edcftp.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/disaster/201001_Earthquake_Haiti/data/map_products/MISSISSIPPI_DELTA_STATE_MAPS/Haiti_25Kand6Kcombo_lettersize_GeopdfimageAtlas_vDSU20100119/) and represent the difference between the road names on the USGS maps and the road names on osm. Names present on the USGS maps but NOT in osm are highlighted in black. That is very useful, but there are roughly ninety docs with twenty (image) pages in each giving 1800 separate comparisons to be made. Also, updates will have been made to osm, from other sources, since the extract. So if a name is in black in the pdf but now present in osm that still does not indicate whether that area has been done or not. (And that doesn't include the work of actually putting names into osm when they are found) As each pdf is done it needs to be commented as such. I'm happy to start on the job but want to wait for some time in case anyone has already done some of the work. We can't afford to do such large amounts of work twice if we can avoid it. It would make sense to work outwards from PaP but it is the towns where the comparison is most laborious/time-consuming. Regards, Adrian. --- On *Mon, 25/1/10, Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch* wrote: From: Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names To: talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 17:34 Hi Adrian I also had a look at these maps and I still don't understand completely how they relate to OSM. The map already displays the OSMs road network, but where do the street names in the USGS map come from? They aren't taken from OSM, are they? Are there indeed two road networks in the USGS map, one in maroon (from OSM) and one from an unknown source (in black)? For my taste, navigation in the PDF atlas is too complicated (for mappers, people in the field may find it useful) and comparing the street names manually with names displayed on a slippymap in another instance is way too complicated too. Are the USGS maps available as tiles served by a WMS server? Regards Karl Am 25.01.2010 18:13, schrieb Adrian Brain: Wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which contains a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with streetnames missing from osm at the time of preparation highlighted - these need adding to osm. There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have been looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told me which have been done and which haven't, except for the last page which has the No named streets in this section comment. Can anyone say which of these has been done? Adrian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://mc/compose?to=t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://mc/compose?to=t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names
I wrote (guessed) part of what is on the wiki because there was just this list of PDF documents and no furthern info. I'm looking for confirmations/corrections from people who are actually involved in producing these maps. Discussion was to complete OSM data from the USGS maps but the way it looks now it doesn't make a lot of senset to me. And no, I didn't find any name I could have completed when I had a closer look at three samples areas. Should we simply remove the whole section from the wiki? -- Karl Am 25.01.2010 21:31, schrieb Brad Neuhauser: Is the whole thing on the wiki just wrong? I haven't looked extensively, but the street names appear to match up. This would make sense as the map says Street data courtesy openstreetmap.org http://openstreetmap.org If there were any other data, it would probably be from MINUSTAH, but that's already mentioned on the OSM Street Names page. Has anyone seen a specific example of where the USGS maps have more street data than OSM? Brad On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Adrian Brain adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Karl, I had trouble understanding what these were too. The pdf's are from Delta State University (here http://edcftp.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/disaster/201001_Earthquake_Haiti/data/map_products/MISSISSIPPI_DELTA_STATE_MAPS/Haiti_25Kand6Kcombo_lettersize_GeopdfimageAtlas_vDSU20100119/) and represent the difference between the road names on the USGS maps and the road names on osm. Names present on the USGS maps but NOT in osm are highlighted in black. That is very useful, but there are roughly ninety docs with twenty (image) pages in each giving 1800 separate comparisons to be made. Also, updates will have been made to osm, from other sources, since the extract. So if a name is in black in the pdf but now present in osm that still does not indicate whether that area has been done or not. (And that doesn't include the work of actually putting names into osm when they are found) As each pdf is done it needs to be commented as such. I'm happy to start on the job but want to wait for some time in case anyone has already done some of the work. We can't afford to do such large amounts of work twice if we can avoid it. It would make sense to work outwards from PaP but it is the towns where the comparison is most laborious/time-consuming. Regards, Adrian. --- On *Mon, 25/1/10, Karl Guggisberg /karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch mailto:karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch/* wrote: From: Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch mailto:karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names To: talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 17:34 Hi Adrian I also had a look at these maps and I still don't understand completely how they relate to OSM. The map already displays the OSMs road network, but where do the street names in the USGS map come from? They aren't taken from OSM, are they? Are there indeed two road networks in the USGS map, one in maroon (from OSM) and one from an unknown source (in black)? For my taste, navigation in the PDF atlas is too complicated (for mappers, people in the field may find it useful) and comparing the street names manually with names displayed on a slippymap in another instance is way too complicated too. Are the USGS maps available as tiles served by a WMS server? Regards Karl Am 25.01.2010 18:13, schrieb Adrian Brain: Wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which contains a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with streetnames missing from osm at the time of preparation highlighted - these need adding to osm. There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have been looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told me which have been done and which haven't, except for the last page which has the No named streets in this section comment. Can anyone say which of these has been done? Adrian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://mc/compose?to=t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://mc/compose?to=t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names
OK, I went back and found the message referenced on the wiki: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-January/047477.html J-G forwarded a message that included a link to the USGS maps. The message was in response to someone looking for an updated street index, and it spun off from there. If we need further confirmation, user osmapb1--oh, that's Adrian--has gone and checked 9 areas and found no differences. So, yes, I'd recommend removing it. Plenty of other things to work on! (if noone else does it in the next hour or two, I'll do when I have another chance). Brad On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.chwrote: I wrote (guessed) part of what is on the wiki because there was just this list of PDF documents and no furthern info. I'm looking for confirmations/corrections from people who are actually involved in producing these maps. Discussion was to complete OSM data from the USGS maps but the way it looks now it doesn't make a lot of senset to me. And no, I didn't find any name I could have completed when I had a closer look at three samples areas. Should we simply remove the whole section from the wiki? -- Karl Am 25.01.2010 21:31, schrieb Brad Neuhauser: Is the whole thing on the wiki just wrong? I haven't looked extensively, but the street names appear to match up. This would make sense as the map says Street data courtesy openstreetmap.org If there were any other data, it would probably be from MINUSTAH, but that's already mentioned on the OSM Street Names page. Has anyone seen a specific example of where the USGS maps have more street data than OSM? Brad On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Adrian Brain adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi Karl, I had trouble understanding what these were too. The pdf's are from Delta State University (herehttp://edcftp.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/disaster/201001_Earthquake_Haiti/data/map_products/MISSISSIPPI_DELTA_STATE_MAPS/Haiti_25Kand6Kcombo_lettersize_GeopdfimageAtlas_vDSU20100119/) and represent the difference between the road names on the USGS maps and the road names on osm. Names present on the USGS maps but NOT in osm are highlighted in black. That is very useful, but there are roughly ninety docs with twenty (image) pages in each giving 1800 separate comparisons to be made. Also, updates will have been made to osm, from other sources, since the extract. So if a name is in black in the pdf but now present in osm that still does not indicate whether that area has been done or not. (And that doesn't include the work of actually putting names into osm when they are found) As each pdf is done it needs to be commented as such. I'm happy to start on the job but want to wait for some time in case anyone has already done some of the work. We can't afford to do such large amounts of work twice if we can avoid it. It would make sense to work outwards from PaP but it is the towns where the comparison is most laborious/time-consuming. Regards, Adrian. --- On *Mon, 25/1/10, Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch* wrote: From: Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names To: talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 17:34 Hi Adrian I also had a look at these maps and I still don't understand completely how they relate to OSM. The map already displays the OSMs road network, but where do the street names in the USGS map come from? They aren't taken from OSM, are they? Are there indeed two road networks in the USGS map, one in maroon (from OSM) and one from an unknown source (in black)? For my taste, navigation in the PDF atlas is too complicated (for mappers, people in the field may find it useful) and comparing the street names manually with names displayed on a slippymap in another instance is way too complicated too. Are the USGS maps available as tiles served by a WMS server? Regards Karl Am 25.01.2010 18:13, schrieb Adrian Brain: Wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which contains a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with streetnames missing from osm at the time of preparation highlighted - these need adding to osm. There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have been looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told me which have been done and which haven't, except for the last page which has the No named streets in this section comment. Can anyone say which of these has been done? Adrian. ___ talk mailing listt...@openstreetmap.org http://mc/compose?to=t...@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ talk mailing list talk
