Re: [Talk-GB] Rights of way - Image vote

[Rob Nickerson]

Thanks for commenting/voting on which images provided enough evidence to
tag a way as a "public footpath" / "public bridleway". I am pleased to see
that there was agreement on the simple cases. Others were not so clear cut
and I chuckled when I saw that a "Undecided" option had been added to the
voting options. :-)

Next Steps:

 * It has previously been suggested that a "suspected=*" tag be used for
when a mapper is undecided. Unless there are objections, I will add
"suspected=*" (where * is one of the 4 options - public
footpath/bridleway/BOAT/RB) and a generic "suspected=row" to the wiki
guidelines. This may help us to help councils find lost way before the 2026
deadline.

* 2 more images! - I am interested in how far the suspected tag should go.
Please see the 2 additional images (taken from the wiki) added at the
bottom of the link and vote/comment as you see appropriate:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WyD_Bezo5FXw27ei0eHTj1CH6Pzfbk-fz4yBd5zc7h0/edit


Cheers,
Rob

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>Hi All
>
>Thanks for all the feedback on the UK tagging guidelines page. I have
>collated all these together and will start to implement changes to the page
>before reporting back here.
>
>I would like to add a few more images to help new users identify public
>rights of way. Can you please spend a couple of minutes to vote on whether
>the following images provide enough evidence to support a
>designation=public_footpath / public_bridleway tag:
>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WyD_Bezo5FXw27ei0eHTj1CH6Pzfbk-fz4yBd5zc7h0/edit
>> 
>>
>
>Thanks,
>RobJN
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Re: [Talk-GB] Micronations

[Gregory]

"The Principality of Sealand" is here,
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.894396&lon=1.482519&zoom=18&layers=M

On 10 May 2012 09:10, Ed Loach  wrote:

> Brian wrote:
>
> >  http://micronations.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ivania which is a
> "vanity nation" consisting 
>
> > of someone's bedroom in Derbyshire. I can see a rash of these appearing.
> Are they appropriate 
>
> > to be present in OSM? I think not 
>
> ** **
>
> I agree with the "not". But "1 permanent resident"? Bed-ridden I presume.*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> I've not yet checked how Rough's Fort (aka Sealand) is tagged - a more
> well-known micronation who had their first international football game the
> other day:
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://www.harwichandmanningtreestandard.co.uk/news/localnews/9694306.Sealand_plays_first_official_international_football_match/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> (shortened http://is.gd/BAy3zB )
>
> ** **
>
> Ed
>
> ** **
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[Talk-GB] Ensuring ground-breaking Welsh Active Travel Bill promotes open data & mapping

[Ralph Smyth]

Yesterday the Welsh Government published a consultation on a ground-breaking 
Active Travel Bill.
http://wales.gov.uk/consultations/transport/activetravelbill/?lang=enThe White 
Paper sets out proposals to require Local Authorities in Wales to:

* identify and map the network of routes within their areas that are safe and 
appropriate for walking and cycling; 
* identify and map the enhancements that would be required to create a fully 
integrated network for walking and cycling and develop a prioritised list of 
schemes to deliver the network; 

There's surely a huge opportunity to integrate this with OSM and make the 
mapping of current and proposed routes fit for the 21st century rather than 
simply repeating the methods of 20th century definitive maps?

In relation to the first bullet point, would OSM need new tags to record 
suitability of ways for walking and cycling? For example, grading a route based 
on level of Bikeability training needed to cycle along it? That wouldn't 
necessarily cover crossings or things like making right turns and there's 
nothing I'm aware of that's similar for walking - TfL does have a level of 
service methodology but it's too detailed and complicated. If there was good 
coverage of things like speed limits on OSM then perhaps some spatial analysis 
tools could be used to combine different sources of data such as motor traffic 
flows, KSI and community feelings of traffic intimidation to help to provide 
some sort of objective justification.

The second proposed map could be more difficult as the routes would initially 
be indicative or speculative rather than in any way approved, such as the route 
of HS2 is now. Would this need to be a fork of OSM, for example to enable a 
local authority to control the proposals and produce a definitive enhancement 
map every few years rather than having it being continuously changed? Are there 
any tools for doing this as it's something I'd like to promote as part of 
neighbourhood planning, since it could help enable communities earmark a share 
of Community Infrastructure Levy or New Homes Bonus for things like new walking 
and cycle paths or community facilities.

Given the continuing discussions about Rights of Ways on this list, you may 
also be interested that the consultation also covers changing Welsh definitions 
of RoWs so that they are different to the English ones, though nothing is 
specifically proposed. Defra is due (or rather has been due for some time) to 
publish a consultation on fundamental changes to RoWs on this side of Offa's 
Dyke, so maybe the Welsh are waiting to take the lead from that.


Ralph
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Re: [Talk-GB] Micronations

[Ed Loach]

Brian wrote:

>  http://micronations.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ivania which is a "vanity 
> nation" consisting 

> of someone's bedroom in Derbyshire. I can see a rash of these appearing. Are 
> they appropriate 

> to be present in OSM? I think not 

 

I agree with the "not". But "1 permanent resident"? Bed-ridden I presume.

 

I've not yet checked how Rough's Fort (aka Sealand) is tagged - a more 
well-known micronation who had their first international football game the 
other day:

 

http://www.harwichandmanningtreestandard.co.uk/news/localnews/9694306.Sealand_plays_first_official_international_football_match/

 

(shortened http://is.gd/BAy3zB )

 

Ed

 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Micronations

[Philip Barnes]

Really not, and doesn't have the comedy ring of being his parents basement.

Can't find it, I guess its somewhere in Buxton?

Phil

Sent from my Nokia N9



On 10/05/2012 8:23 Brian Prangle wrote:

If you look at zoom level 3 for the UK you will see the "Kingdom of Ivania" 
rendered. A google search throws up  
http://micronations.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ivania which is a "vanity nation" 
consisting of someone's bedroom in Derbyshire. I can see a rash of these 
appearing. Are they appropriate to be present in OSM? I think not

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Re: [Talk-GB] Micronations

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 05/10/2012 09:32 AM, Andy Allan wrote:

If you look at zoom level 3 for the UK you will see the "Kingdom of Ivania"
rendered. A google search throws up
http://micronations.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ivania which is a "vanity
nation" consisting of someone's bedroom in Derbyshire. I can see a rash of
these appearing. Are they appropriate to be present in OSM? I think not


They are completely inappropriate for OSM, and should be removed immediately.


I requested a re-render of the tile and Ivania is gone now; but the last 
render was from 04 May which means that it has been up there for at 
least 6 days until someone brought it up.


Something to keep in mind for automatic vandalism detectors; anything 
rendered on small zooms is a more attractive target for playful 
contributors.


Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-GB] Micronations

[Andy Allan]

On 10 May 2012 08:23, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> If you look at zoom level 3 for the UK you will see the "Kingdom of Ivania"
> rendered. A google search throws up
> http://micronations.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ivania which is a "vanity
> nation" consisting of someone's bedroom in Derbyshire. I can see a rash of
> these appearing. Are they appropriate to be present in OSM? I think not

They are completely inappropriate for OSM, and should be removed immediately.

Cheers,
Andy

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[Talk-GB] Micronations

[Brian Prangle]

If you look at zoom level 3 for the UK you will see the "Kingdom of Ivania"
rendered. A google search throws up
http://micronations.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ivania which is a "vanity
nation" consisting of someone's bedroom in Derbyshire. I can see a rash of
these appearing. Are they appropriate to be present in OSM? I think not
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