Re: [Talk-ko] Copy of thread reagrding redactions due to copyright violations in North Korea
Yes, after the funding stop, 38 North has moved to the Henry L. Stinson Center. https://www.38north.org/2018/05/editor051718/ 2018-06-05 4:04 GMT+09:00 Max : > on the 38north website it says: > "38 North is a project of The Henry L. Stimson Center." > > > On 04.06.2018 15:51, Changwoo Ryu wrote: >> >> It's very sad. I have seen USKI at Johns Hopkins recently in Korean >> newspapers; USKI has been mostly funded by the ROK government since >> its beginning. (Only recently the funding stopped.) So practically >> that 38north's map data has been built using ROK taxpayers' money. >> >> ___ >> Talk-ko mailing list >> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko >> > > > ___ > Talk-ko mailing list > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
Re: [Talk-ko] Copy of thread reagrding redactions due to copyright violations in North Korea
On the website http://38northdigitalatlas.org/ they write: "This project is in a beta development phase. The ArcGIS platform allows users to search the data by name (in English and Korean) for cities, villages, factories, schools, government offices, restaurants, shops, markets, etc. However, because this data is generally derived from North Korean sources, Korean and English spellings can differ from South Korean protocol. Although there is already a significant amount of data available in this portal, we have much more still to be processed. Over time, periodic updates will be made to the atlas of both location data and satellite imagery layers. 38 North would like to thank the programmers at i-cubed, and our partners at ScapeWare3d and Airbus Space and Defense for their help in designing and building this portal. 38 North is also grateful for generous support from the Carnegie Corporation of New York and the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation for developing this important digital resource. Copyright: The material in the “38 North DPRK Digital Atlas” is copyright protected by the US-Korea Institute at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, 38 North and Curtis Melvin. It is expressly forbidden to copy this material or use it in any other format. Licensing options are available. For details, please contact thirtyeightno...@gmail.com." So basically they rip off DPRK official information to put it under their copyright. I bought a printed map in DPRK, will scan and provide it somwere. On 04.06.2018 15:51, Changwoo Ryu wrote: It's very sad. I have seen USKI at Johns Hopkins recently in Korean newspapers; USKI has been mostly funded by the ROK government since its beginning. (Only recently the funding stopped.) So practically that 38north's map data has been built using ROK taxpayers' money. ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
Re: [Talk-ko] Copy of thread reagrding redactions due to copyright violations in North Korea
on the 38north website it says: "38 North is a project of The Henry L. Stimson Center." On 04.06.2018 15:51, Changwoo Ryu wrote: It's very sad. I have seen USKI at Johns Hopkins recently in Korean newspapers; USKI has been mostly funded by the ROK government since its beginning. (Only recently the funding stopped.) So practically that 38north's map data has been built using ROK taxpayers' money. ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
Re: [Talk-ko] Copy of thread reagrding redactions due to copyright violations in North Korea
It's very sad. I have seen USKI at Johns Hopkins recently in Korean newspapers; USKI has been mostly funded by the ROK government since its beginning. (Only recently the funding stopped.) So practically that 38north's map data has been built using ROK taxpayers' money. ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
[Talk-ko] Copy of thread reagrding redactions due to copyright violations in North Korea
Since this is relevant to this mailinglist, I copy a thread from the main talk mailinglist here: Hi, most of the place names in North Korea had been copied from a web site called "38northdigitalatlas.org". We have received a complaint from the copyright holders about this. The user who added the information has admitted to copying it. The copyright holders have asked us to remove the data. We have tried to convince them to allow us to keep it but it wasn't possible, so I've redacted the affected place nodes (and some boundaries) in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/59473904. If you happen to have access to material than can legally be used to re-add some of the now missing place names, then your help is very welcome. Please be meticulous in specifying your sources when adding place names though - we don't want to re-import 38northdigitalatlas.org data through the back door. This particularly applies to information sourced from Wikipedia/Wikidata - please do not use them as sources. Bye Frederik - From what I checked this two projects are generally unusuable as data sources due to licensing issues. Mateusz Konieczny - It has been pointed out to me that there is 1983 document on North Korean place names by the United States Board on Geographic Names in North Korea. A Google-digitized, public domain version is viewable online, https://hdl.handle.net/2027/pst.15364708 and a text-only OCR'd version is also available. But the names are all in English only, and the coordinates rounded to full arc minutes (i.e. ± 1.5km on the ground). It could be good enough to label places you see on the imagery, but it is certainly not good enough for any kind of automated processing. Bye Frederik - Hi Frederik GNS data quality varies a lot from country to country, and yes with the coordinates rounded which had imprecision. Adding to that the corean alphabet, the South corean community would probably be the best to handle that. Pierre - Is this the equivalent, but with more detail? http://geonames.nga.mil/gns/html/namefiles.html "Foreign geographic names data is freely available. A suitable citation note is: "Toponymic information is based on the Geographic Names Database, containing official standard names approved by the United States Board on Geographic Names and maintained by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. More information is available at the Maps and Geodata link at www.nga.mil. The National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency name, initials, and seal are protected by 10 United States Code Section 425.” It’s not clear to me whether the citation is optional. Bryce Cogswell ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
