Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[Apollinaris Schöll]

Hi Steve

Not sure what's the reason. After trying a couple of changes it still
didn't work. Only changing to a relation was successful.
Looks like boundaries are no longer rendered if they are defined on a way.
I don't know enough about the rendering chain if there has been such a
drastic change or if there is some bug.

btw. josm has a plugin multipoly-convert which can do this easily.


On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:21 PM, stevea  wrote:

> Hi again, Apo.  Thanks for your good boundary fixes in Silicon Valley.  We
> should hike again sometime.
>
> As a side-topic issue to Menlo Park Admin Boundary, the City Limits of
> Capitola, California 
> (http://www.openstreetmap.org/**?way=33074173)
> simply disappeared from being rendered in mapnik/Standard after the last
> time I edited them, about six months ago.  I'm befuddled as to why.
>
> SteveA
> California
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Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[Nathan Edgars II]

On 6/9/2012 6:03 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote:

Hi Steve,

Does the border reappear if your revert your changes ?  If not, perhaps
a style sheet change happened around the same time as your change.  It
may be fruitful to minimize the tags on the way; get it rendering
properly, then re-add tags and see if rendering breaks.


Also change it to a relation to avoid the overlap with adjacent 
municipalities.


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Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[the Old Topo Depot]

Hi Steve,

Does the border reappear if your revert your changes ?  If not, perhaps a
style sheet change happened around the same time as your change.  It may be
fruitful to minimize the tags on the way; get it rendering properly, then
re-add tags and see if rendering breaks.

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:21 PM, stevea  wrote:

> Hi again, Apo.  Thanks for your good boundary fixes in Silicon Valley.  We
> should hike again sometime.
>
> As a side-topic issue to Menlo Park Admin Boundary, the City Limits of
> Capitola, California 
> (http://www.openstreetmap.org/**?way=33074173)
> simply disappeared from being rendered in mapnik/Standard after the last
> time I edited them, about six months ago.  I'm befuddled as to why.
>
> SteveA
> California
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[the Old Topo Depot]

Yup, took a harder look at the changeset and decided a manual merge was a
better option than a revert.

Several changesets have been committed for the area.  If anyone has time to
put eyeballs on the results to lok for missing features, I'd appreciate it.
 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.42848&lon=-122.2135&zoom=15&layers=M)

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:

> this one deleted the MV,SV border. not much damage otherwise
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11044834
>
> The challenge with the other changeset is the size. analyzing the history
> is so hard. Reverting a whole changeset is very difficult with subsequent
> edits  of others. There will be so many conflicts in that process that
> going forward  things is often easier.
>
> especially some of these borders had been imported over each other and
> there is still duplicates and misaligned borders. I am not aware of a high
> quality set of city borders. The tiger borders are of very low quality and
> where possible I have aligned to the county borders.
>
> On Jun 8, 2012, at 4:13 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote:
>
> Thanks, Apollinaris, for the additional updates.  BTW, what are the
> changeset IDs that touched the other admin ways, please ?
>
> Further examination of changeset 
> 11339421 reveals
> deletion of Sharon Heights Golf Course, some surrounding ways, and other
> point features in the immediate vicinity, including exit numbers on I-280,
> emergency call boxes, as well as other features.  See
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.4251091480255&lon=-122.214467525482&zoom=16
>
>
> It may be prudent to revert the entire changeset, given the number of
> deletions contained, and the fact that this changeset is the only committed
> by bxbreen (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bxbreen).  Unfortunately,
> at least the Sand Hill/I-280 interchange has been subsequently edited by
> others.
>
> Thoughts on how best to proceed are appreciated.
>
> Best,
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
>
>> there is more damage to the borders in the area. I have removed some
>> duplicates for Menlo PArk now and fixed PA,EPA,MV,SV too. looks like
>> another pretty new user deleted even more boundaries.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2012, at 9:16 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote:
>>
>> It appears that changeset 
>> 11339421 deleted
>> way id 108849539, which was a part of the Menlo Park admin boundary.  As
>> the changeset is rather large (2,304 nodes; 160 ways) a full revert seems
>> undesirable.
>> What might be the best way to recover the deleted way and restore the
>> associated relation without attempting a full revert ?
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> John Novak
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[stevea]

Hi again, Apo.  Thanks for your good boundary fixes in Silicon 
Valley.  We should hike again sometime.


As a side-topic issue to Menlo Park Admin Boundary, the City Limits 
of Capitola, California (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=33074173) 
simply disappeared from being rendered in mapnik/Standard after the 
last time I edited them, about six months ago.  I'm befuddled as to 
why.


SteveA
California

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Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[Apollinaris Schoell]

this one deleted the MV,SV border. not much damage otherwise
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11044834

The challenge with the other changeset is the size. analyzing the history is so 
hard. Reverting a whole changeset is very difficult with subsequent edits  of 
others. There will be so many conflicts in that process that going forward  
things is often easier. 

especially some of these borders had been imported over each other and there is 
still duplicates and misaligned borders. I am not aware of a high quality set 
of city borders. The tiger borders are of very low quality and where possible I 
have aligned to the county borders. 

On Jun 8, 2012, at 4:13 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote:

> Thanks, Apollinaris, for the additional updates.  BTW, what are the changeset 
> IDs that touched the other admin ways, please ?
> 
> Further examination of changeset 11339421 reveals deletion of Sharon Heights 
> Golf Course, some surrounding ways, and other point features in the immediate 
> vicinity, including exit numbers on I-280, emergency call boxes, as well as 
> other features.  See 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.4251091480255&lon=-122.214467525482&zoom=16
>  
> 
> It may be prudent to revert the entire changeset, given the number of 
> deletions contained, and the fact that this changeset is the only committed 
> by bxbreen (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bxbreen).  Unfortunately, at 
> least the Sand Hill/I-280 interchange has been subsequently edited by others.
> 
> Thoughts on how best to proceed are appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Apollinaris Schoell  
> wrote:
> there is more damage to the borders in the area. I have removed some 
> duplicates for Menlo PArk now and fixed PA,EPA,MV,SV too. looks like another 
> pretty new user deleted even more boundaries.
> 
> 
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 9:16 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote:
> 
>> It appears that changeset 11339421 deleted way id 108849539, which was a 
>> part of the Menlo Park admin boundary.  As the changeset is rather large 
>> (2,304 nodes; 160 ways) a full revert seems undesirable.
>> What might be the best way to recover the deleted way and restore the 
>> associated relation without attempting a full revert ?
>> Thanks in advance, 
>> 
>> John Novak
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[the Old Topo Depot]

Thanks, Apollinaris, for the additional updates.  BTW, what are the
changeset IDs that touched the other admin ways, please ?

Further examination of changeset
11339421
reveals
deletion of Sharon Heights Golf Course, some surrounding ways, and other
point features in the immediate vicinity, including exit numbers on I-280,
emergency call boxes, as well as other features.  See
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.4251091480255&lon=-122.214467525482&zoom=16


It may be prudent to revert the entire changeset, given the number of
deletions contained, and the fact that this changeset is the only committed
by bxbreen (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bxbreen).  Unfortunately, at
least the Sand Hill/I-280 interchange has been subsequently edited by
others.

Thoughts on how best to proceed are appreciated.

Best,

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:

> there is more damage to the borders in the area. I have removed some
> duplicates for Menlo PArk now and fixed PA,EPA,MV,SV too. looks like
> another pretty new user deleted even more boundaries.
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 9:16 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote:
>
> It appears that changeset 
> 11339421 deleted
> way id 108849539, which was a part of the Menlo Park admin boundary.  As
> the changeset is rather large (2,304 nodes; 160 ways) a full revert seems
> undesirable.
> What might be the best way to recover the deleted way and restore the
> associated relation without attempting a full revert ?
> Thanks in advance,
>
> John Novak
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[Apollinaris Schoell]

there is more damage to the borders in the area. I have removed some duplicates 
for Menlo PArk now and fixed PA,EPA,MV,SV too. looks like another pretty new 
user deleted even more boundaries.


On Jun 7, 2012, at 9:16 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote:

> It appears that changeset 11339421 deleted way id 108849539, which was a part 
> of the Menlo Park admin boundary.  As the changeset is rather large (2,304 
> nodes; 160 ways) a full revert seems undesirable.
> What might be the best way to recover the deleted way and restore the 
> associated relation without attempting a full revert ?
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> John Novak
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[the Old Topo Depot]

Thanks much, Nathan, for the assist.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Nathan Edgars II  wrote:

> I forgot to mention that you can also use Potlatch 1. Hit U to view
> deleted ways, select the way, and unlock. This is probably the easiest for
> a simple undeletion like this.
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Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[Nathan Edgars II]

I forgot to mention that you can also use Potlatch 1. Hit U to view 
deleted ways, select the way, and unlock. This is probably the easiest 
for a simple undeletion like this.


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Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[Nathan Edgars II]

On 6/8/2012 12:16 AM, the Old Topo Depot wrote:

It appears that changeset 11339421
 deleted way id
108849539, which was a part of the Menlo Park admin boundary.  As the
changeset is rather large (2,304 nodes; 160 ways) a full revert seems
undesirable.
What might be the best way to recover the deleted way and restore the
associated relation without attempting a full revert ?


Download and select relation 1544957 in JOSM, then run the JOSM revert 
plugin and revert selection only. This doesn't undelete the way, but you 
can then download incomplete members of the relation and select the way 
(which now has 0 nodes), then revert again. And done: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11831691


(There's also an undelete plugin, but it doesn't always work properly 
for me, especially on a thousand-node way.)


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[Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

[the Old Topo Depot]

It appears that changeset
11339421
deleted
way id 108849539, which was a part of the Menlo Park admin boundary.  As
the changeset is rather large (2,304 nodes; 160 ways) a full revert seems
undesirable.
What might be the best way to recover the deleted way and restore the
associated relation without attempting a full revert ?
Thanks in advance,

John Novak
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