RE: shortcut editor broken
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: tbbeta-boun...@thebat.dutaint.com [mailto:tbbeta- > boun...@thebat.dutaint.com] Namens Mark Partous > Verzonden: zaterdag 12 september 2009 6:38 > Aan: Carsten Guthardt-Schulz on TBBeta > Onderwerp: Re: shortcut editor broken > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:32:12 PM, you wrote: > > CGS> - the endless waiting for a new IMAP implementation > > Time after time we hear how much better Outlook and Thunderbird handle IMAP. > > I never reacted because I did not test those with IMAP. > > Now that I have, I will not change that attitude (this mail being the > exception); however, the thought that the author of such reading matter would > better go peel potatoes will always cross my mind, from now on. Hi Mark, I am already testing IMAP withThunderbird. Because I have Outlook on my computer I thought let's see how IMAP works with this ;-) To soon to let you know... -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn Microsoft(R) Office Outlook(R) 2007 GpgOL 1.0.0 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Carsten, Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:32:12 PM, you wrote: CGS> - the endless waiting for a new IMAP implementation Time after time we hear how much better Outlook and Thunderbird handle IMAP. I never reacted because I did not test those with IMAP. Now that I have, I will not change that attitude (this mail being the exception); however, the thought that the author of such reading matter would better go peel potatoes will always cross my mind, from now on. :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.10.9 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (2 days 17:18:22) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Thomas, Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:30:11 PM, you wrote: TF> I have tried Evolution and missed the folders and filters that make my TF> email exerience with TB! so powerfully easy. However, everybody has TF> different ways of working. I did not want to express I like Evolution! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.10.9 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (2 days 17:17:0) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Plain text message ends up HTML if edited once in Outbox
On Friday, September 11, 2009, 9:15:26 PM, Ian A. White wrote: > Are you saying that your default message format is Plain Text; you > created a message in HTML format; saved it to your Outbox as a draft; > then double-clicked on it in the Outbox and the message format > remained as HTML when it was re-edited? yes. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.10.9 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Plain text message ends up HTML if edited once in Outbox
Hello Dwight, On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:30:41 -0500 GMT (12/Sep/09, 8:30 AM +0700 GMT), Dwight Corrin wrote: >> But the logic of your problem is this: When you create the message, >> the folder/AB template applies with regards to the editor. If you >> reopen it from the editor, TB! forgets about that template and uses >> the default editor. DC> first of all, i can't confirm. I use microed, and tested with an html DC> message. it remained html message. Interesting. Ian originally reported that this does not work when it is the other way around. Before we try all variations and make guesses, maybe the developers can share light on how this is supposed to work. DC> 2d, if your explanation is correct, that makes no sense to me. the DC> message should be in whatever format it was created in, as long as it DC> exists in the outbox or in sent messages. (no comment on the draft DC> folder) I agree that it should. The issue here is whether it does, and if not, is that a bug or a bad design? - For Ian it didn't work. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Plain text message ends up HTML if edited once in Outbox
On Thursday, September 10, 2009, 11:58:36 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: > But the logic of your problem is this: When you create the message, > the folder/AB template applies with regards to the editor. If you > reopen it from the editor, TB! forgets about that template and uses > the default editor. first of all, i can't confirm. I use microed, and tested with an html message. it remained html message. 2d, if your explanation is correct, that makes no sense to me. the message should be in whatever format it was created in, as long as it exists in the outbox or in sent messages. (no comment on the draft folder) -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.10.9 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:56:02 -0400, Rick wrote: >>Is there any program out there that has delayed sending ... that works? > In one of your previous messages you stated that delayed sending > worked a couple of beta's ago. So why not stay with that version > until (hopefully) this bug is being fixed? > IMHO using TB! comes down to just doing that. Keep with the version > that works best for you and has the least annoying bugs. There have > always been bugs in TB! and there always will be. So if you're > relatively satisfied with one version, be happy to use that. I was just asking if there was anything else out there. I have no plans to leave TB although I do get discouraged with the lack of communication -- Rick Have you ever wondered if the one-dollar bills in your wallet were ever in a stripper's butt crack? If not, you're wondering now. v4.2.10.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:56:02 -0400, Rick wrote: >Is there any program out there that has delayed sending ... that works? In one of your previous messages you stated that delayed sending worked a couple of beta's ago. So why not stay with that version until (hopefully) this bug is being fixed? IMHO using TB! comes down to just doing that. Keep with the version that works best for you and has the least annoying bugs. There have always been bugs in TB! and there always will be. So if you're relatively satisfied with one version, be happy to use that. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
> Hello Thomas, >> Ritlabs keep breaking things that previously worked, it's their >> concept to keep us alert. What you have to do is the create a >> Bugtracker (BT) entry, otherwise they won't look at fixing it. Post >> the full link here, so people can check and comment, i.e. create bug >> reports. > No, I don't care anymore. I have so many tickets on Bugtracker that > I created and/or supported and nothing is being done about them. A > decent development team would read this beta list and react with > "oops, we just broke something", and fix it immediately. > Every couple of years I give Thunderbird and Outlook a try, but so > far I have always returned to The Bat. Next week I will set up a new > system and Thunderbird will get another chance. Hopefully, there are > enough addons now that I can ditch The Bat. It's about time. Is there any program out there that has delayed sending ... that works? -- Rick If you can dream it, you can do it. - Walt Disney v4.2.10.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Thomas, Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:32:13 PM, you wrote: > I don't know why you say "It'a about time". It appears that up to now, > TB! has been the superior product. Why would you wish that this > changes? For the same reasons as everyone else: - bugs not being fixed - the endless waiting for a new IMAP implementation - Ritlab's communication -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Plain text message ends up HTML if edited once in Outbox
Guten Morgen, IAW> Years ago I used to have a folder template, however [...] I see, thank you for the discription. You are doing the opposite from what I'm looking for: You are writing emails using different editors, I want to see emails using different viewers. Unfortunatly, I don't think your method can be used to achieve my target. Thanks anyway! -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.10.1 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpBJbmjXfItF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Carsten, On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:36:36 +0200 GMT (11/Sep/09, 14:36 PM +0700 GMT), Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: CGS> Every couple of years I give Thunderbird and Outlook a try, but CGS> so far I have always returned to The Bat. Next week I will set up CGS> a new system and Thunderbird will get another chance. Hopefully, CGS> there are enough addons now that I can ditch The Bat. It's about time. I don't know why you say "It'a about time". It appears that up to now, TB! has been the superior product. Why would you wish that this changes? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Plain text message ends up HTML if edited once in Outbox
Hello Ian, On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:27:38 +1000 GMT (11/Sep/09, 13:27 PM +0700 GMT), Ian A. White wrote: TF>> I'm thinking about an algorithm that makes the editor stick to the TF>> template but the rest of the template be ignored... difficult, to say TF>> the least. You get the point. IAW> But it would not be that difficult to have The Bat! store a flag value IAW> that indicates what editor was used to create the message while it is IAW> in the Outbox. I don't know how many values the flags can have currently. IAW> After all, until the message gets sent it is all part of The IAW> Bat!. That flag does not need to be sent and could be the first IAW> thing that is stripped from the message. To handle older created IAW> messages that would not have this flag, just do what happens now. It would require to add a variable with a value to each message, via the index file. IAW> The program could even just look at the address book template and IAW> use what is there. No. The program forgets the template the moment you type anything into the body. In fact, I take advantage of that characteristic. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Mark, On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:36:00 +0159 GMT (11/Sep/09, 15:37 PM +0700 GMT), Mark Partous wrote: HMdB>> Sorry for stepping in. I am using Thunderbird as some sort of backup for HMdB>> GPG and must say that I am beginning to like the program more and more ;-) MP> I, on the contrary, even prefer Evolution on Ubuntu above Thunderbird! :-) I have tried Evolution and missed the folders and filters that make my email exerience with TB! so powerfully easy. However, everybody has different ways of working. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Mark Partous schreef: > Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:24:42 AM, you wrote: > > HMdB> Sorry for stepping in. I am using Thunderbird as some sort of backup for > HMdB> GPG and must say that I am beginning to like the program more and more > ;-) > > I, on the contrary, even prefer Evolution on Ubuntu above Thunderbird! :-) Hi Mark, I have tried that on Suse but preferred Thunderbird ;-) -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn Mozilla Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (20090812) Enigmail 0.96.0 OpenPGP message encryption and authentication signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Henk, Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:24:42 AM, you wrote: HMdB> Sorry for stepping in. I am using Thunderbird as some sort of backup for HMdB> GPG and must say that I am beginning to like the program more and more ;-) I, on the contrary, even prefer Evolution on Ubuntu above Thunderbird! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.10.9 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 21:31:37) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Carsten Guthardt-Schulz schreef: ... > Every couple of years I give Thunderbird and Outlook a try, but so far I have > always returned to The Bat. Next week I will set up a new system and > Thunderbird will get another chance. Hopefully, there are enough addons now > that I can ditch The Bat. It's about time. Sorry for stepping in. I am using Thunderbird as some sort of backup for GPG and must say that I am beginning to like the program more and more ;-) -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn Mozilla Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (20090812) Enigmail 0.96.0 OpenPGP message encryption and authentication signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Thomas, > Ritlabs keep breaking things that previously worked, it's their > concept to keep us alert. What you have to do is the create a > Bugtracker (BT) entry, otherwise they won't look at fixing it. Post > the full link here, so people can check and comment, i.e. create bug > reports. No, I don't care anymore. I have so many tickets on Bugtracker that I created and/or supported and nothing is being done about them. A decent development team would read this beta list and react with "oops, we just broke something", and fix it immediately. Every couple of years I give Thunderbird and Outlook a try, but so far I have always returned to The Bat. Next week I will set up a new system and Thunderbird will get another chance. Hopefully, there are enough addons now that I can ditch The Bat. It's about time. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
