Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick, On 11 October 2000 at 20:23:26 GMT -0700 (which was 04:23 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote and made these points on the subject of "Encrypting Messages with PGP": IOW's the box seems to pop up only when there is some uncertainty as to which key to use. This makes sense, because I have a default key *and* an RSA key which I don't use (plus a disabled DH/DSS key which was once in use). NA Thanks for the confirmation Allie. The mere fact that the dialogue NA box doesn't appear under all conditions, is deserving of a report NA to RitLABS which I have just sent off. Not sure if others have NA sent one in, but I didn't think it would do any harm to send mine NA in. I don't think it's a bug - I think it is how it is supposed to work. NA Being able to choose multiple recipients is a feature of PGP's NA encryption process, so not having that choice when using TB! is a NA clear indication that the problem rests with the plug-in. If you have one key and only one key for each address specified, what is the purpose in offering a further choice of encryption keys? Why would you want it to do that if the message has one recipient with a single known key for that target address and one sender with a single know key for that sender's address? Under what circumstances would that cause a problem? You can force the issue by generating a secondary key for your own address and not publishing it. That will ensure that the dialog box always appears (as it does here). *I* wish it wouldn't sometimes g! - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Stress is when you wake up screaming you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet. TB! v1.47 Beta/7 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOeQsaTnkJKuSnc2gEQKUcwCg2YlxZzTIJ9O2vTg5EHH+BFl7p1EAoOM1 CqYvSPzF1VrYoHTZ4aTIQlDc =sI8z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! on Wednesday, October 11, 2000 02:21:04, our bat friend Marck D. Pearlstone typed: NA Can someone please verify that for me, and if that is the case, I NA want to put in a feature request to Stef and Max. PGP is designed NA to give you that dialogue box during encryption, allowing for NA multiple recipients, so I would consider TB!'s PGP implementation NA missing a feature... or perhaps classify it even as a bug. MDP Any other comments? Who sees what I see? Who sees what Nick sees (or MDP doesn't see as the case may be)? I have similar problems as Nick describes with pgp v6.5.8. I've just switched to the ckt build of pgp 6.5.8 and have yet to post a message which is encrypted to see if i have the same problems. But one thing i wonder is is this the same when you post a new msg as when you reply? I've only replied to encrypted messages, and then the bat chooses the recipients key. - -- /Krister email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Icq: 902032 Obtain my pgp keys by sending a mail to this address: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Send_pgp_keys Using The Bat 1.46c under Windows 98, V4 10, build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOeQj7jg5SXqDEzkLEQIPRACdGwoSp8864JDBXffNnapIo9M6/QwAnjT8 LznJIePygYHo3Se0Oahid6Sl =6jNA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:24:48 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: KE I have similar problems as Nick describes with pgp v6.5.8. I've just KE switched to the ckt build of pgp 6.5.8 and have yet to post a KE message which is encrypted to see if i have the same problems. But KE one thing i wonder is is this the same when you post a new msg as KE when you reply? Yes it is the same. The same reasons for the key selection pop-up dialog appearing apply for both new and reply messages. KE I've only replied to encrypted messages, and then the bat chooses KE the recipients key. This is because you have a single key associated with the recipient address. There's no other key to choose from, hence the dialog doesn't appear. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion? " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOeRHr/AXeSHuB5k3EQIZ7ACfc/V8Y9OXQicSGHlbcupeT2lM1FUAoOhx tZzvVYCsXP4qtzrb4TDkoXRh =zC7p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On October 11, 2000 Marck D. Pearlstone Wrote: That's it - and I always get (and always have got) the key selection box when encrypting messages. This comes up before the pass-phrase entry window IIRC. Well that seems strange, because that was not my experience when using TB! and 6.5.8 I can't see anything in your setup that was any different in how I had PGP's options set. I don't understand why you get the dialogue box, and I... and others... don't/did not. :o( Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Join PGP-Basics at http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics iQA/AwUBOeR0KsUChHR7o/3OEQLWUACg1VST62uFzx2JHzHXLQq3IdrPJNEAoLDG J8UbnqsfcKO83D5CghKzy99w =ysEZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:04:51 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote: NA You make a good point there Allie, but what if you have more than NA one Public Key associated with a given recipient... will TB!/6.5.8 NA produce the dialogue box giving you a choice of which Public Key to NA use? Yes it will, if the addresses associated with the keys are the same or doesn't correspond with the current intended address. NA What if you were sending the message to a colleague in the next NA office, and only wanted to use conventional encryption, If you have a PGP key for the recipient, why would you wish to use conventional encryption? If you don't have a key for the person in the next office, the dialog will appear. NA or use the secure viewer? Is this for message decryption? If so, I use PGP tray when I wish to use the secure viewer. I assign a hot-key to it. I use the TB! decryption shortcut if I wish to decrypt the message the TB! way and I use the PGP Tray hot-key if I wish to use the secure viewer. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "One man's constant is another man's variable. - Perlis " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOeR22vAXeSHuB5k3EQIasACgzcvpftdYvLvsSKNhqMJi+QgNHlUAn2eD fZPzlu91PqexxUWeo4F4e0aL =WXbz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On October 11, 2000 Marck D. Pearlstone Wrote: I don't think it's a bug - I think it is how it is supposed to work. After further reading Marck, I have to agree with you and Allie on this. Apparently, if you want to force the PGP Recipient Dialogue box to appear, hold down the SHIFT key while hitting the send button. This will avail you of the option to use Conventional Encryption and/or the Secure Viewer. You mention that the dialogue box appears for you every time, but perhaps Allie wouldn't mind trying this method to see if it works. If I recall correctly, the encryption was done before the message was sent if you used the "Privacy/PGP/Encrypt Entire Text" option from the Message Toolbar, so perhaps one would have to enable PGP via the Account Properties, and check the box for encryption. This would cause the message to be encrypted *after* you hit the send button, and thus by holding down the SHIFT button in this case *should* bring up the PGP Recipient Selection dialogue box. Amazing what you find out when reading the manual. sheepish grin Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Join PGP-Basics at http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics iQA/AwUBOeR43MUChHR7o/3OEQIw1wCg98VOld4okTM5Xy2cYqbXBEWBqEcAn1jw xe7payHGllctRW+9s4b4sCxF =chBA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:28:53 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: NA Well that seems strange, because that was not my experience when NA using TB! and 6.5.8 I can't see anything in your setup that was NA any different in how I had PGP's options set. I don't understand NA why you get the dialogue box, and I... and others... don't/did NA not. :o( MDP I think that the answer is that I have multiple keys on my keyring MDP that bear my email address. I'm sure that, if I had only one, I MDP would not see the dialog box. Hmmm. I have an RSA as well as a DH/DSS key and don't always get the dialog. I guess that the disabled DH/DSS key that you have is the reason behind the dialog appearing for you all the time. It's interesting that this is so even though you've defined a default key to use. It seems that TB! cannot decide which of the DH/DSS keys to use and hence the dialog appears. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Procrastination: The art of keeping up with yesterday. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOeR8H/AXeSHuB5k3EQI9RACfZebVScgvCTqDq+Q+kxzJS0FHG6UAoKLK d5KX6lSRVIkGcHaiYjoeFJUm =4jLD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:27:45 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote: NA After further reading Marck, I have to agree with you and Allie on NA this. Apparently, if you want to force the PGP Recipient Dialogue NA box to appear, hold down the SHIFT key while hitting the send NA button. This will avail you of the option to use Conventional NA Encryption and/or the Secure Viewer. NA You mention that the dialogue box appears for you every time, but NA perhaps Allie wouldn't mind trying this method to see if it works. No, using the shift key while hitting send to invoke the dialog doesn't work here. NA If I recall correctly, the encryption was done before the message NA was sent if you used the "Privacy/PGP/Encrypt Entire Text" option NA from the Message Toolbar, so perhaps one would have to enable PGP NA via the Account Properties, and check the box for encryption. This NA would cause the message to be encrypted *after* you hit the send NA button, Actually in the editor window, I enable PGP and select 'encrypt when complete' in the Privacy menu to get the message encrypted upon sending. NA and thus by holding down the SHIFT button in this case *should* NA bring up the PGP Recipient Selection dialogue box. It doesn't for me. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Even in this corner of the galaxy, Captain, 2+2=4 ... Spock " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOeR7SvAXeSHuB5k3EQI1AwCgoSUX/DoVheGvZlHL9rZ34vijiwEAnRvf jgZVVTA8ahuiqwJJ4CCg4nTs =t532 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick, On 11 October 2000 at 16:36:54 GMT -0700 (which was 00:36 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote and made these points on the subject of "Encrypting Messages with PGP": NA If I remember correctly when I was using PGP 6.5.8 via TB!'s NA plug-in, no such dialogue box appeared, and the message was simply NA encrypted to whomever it was addressed to (along with your default NA key if you set the options as such), with no opportunity to add NA recipients. That's not what I see. I get a selection dialog showing the two keys which TB/PGP is intending to use (the recipient's and my default key) in a small lower panel and allowing me to select any others from my keyring in a larger listbox above. NA Can someone please verify that for me, and if that is the case, I NA want to put in a feature request to Stef and Max. PGP is designed NA to give you that dialogue box during encryption, allowing for NA multiple recipients, so I would consider TB!'s PGP implementation NA missing a feature... or perhaps classify it even as a bug. Any other comments? Who sees what I see? Who sees what Nick sees (or doesn't see as the case may be)? - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Headline - Deer Kill 17,000 TB! v1.47 Beta/7 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOeOydjnkJKuSnc2gEQKO3QCdE/nDX60gOLcb63i2RjwSqU+x3CEAn2YT 6BiqEwPQ7YAelBPvZVEoZztl =sn/m -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On October 10, 2000 Marck D. Pearlstone Wrote: That's not what I see. I get a selection dialog showing the two keys which TB/PGP is intending to use (the recipient's and my default key) in a small lower panel and allowing me to select any others from my keyring in a larger listbox above. Hmmm... as far as I can recollect, I never saw that dialogue box, and now a few Members of PGP-Basics are saying the same thing. I wonder... did you cache your passphrase? Perhaps *not* caching the passphrase for encrypting forced the dialogue box? shrug Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Join PGP-Basics at http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics iQA/AwUBOeO5b8UChHR7o/3OEQIR5QCgz07k2HiISPV/3RksMp0WCEP2qtkAnRnN +Sjq7pLdRy1XR41R2ZrC8yPm =DomY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
Hi Marck, On Tuesday, October 10, 2000, 7:21 PM, you wrote in part about "Encrypting Messages with PGP": M That's not what I see. I get a selection dialog showing the two keys M which TB/PGP is intending to use (the recipient's and my default key) M in a small lower panel and allowing me to select any others from my M keyring in a larger listbox above. M Any other comments? Who sees what I see? Who sees what Nick sees (or M doesn't see as the case may be)? Just got back into town after being gone for a number of days. I see exactly what Marck sees. -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:21:04 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: NA If I remember correctly when I was using PGP 6.5.8 via TB!'s NA plug-in, no such dialogue box appeared, and the message was simply NA encrypted to whomever it was addressed to (along with your default NA key if you set the options as such), with no opportunity to add NA recipients. MDP That's not what I see. I get a selection dialog showing the two keys MDP which TB/PGP is intending to use (the recipient's and my default key) MDP in a small lower panel and allowing me to select any others from my MDP keyring in a larger listbox above. I only get the box with a choice of which keys to use in the following situations: a) When I have more than one of the same key type, using the same name or e-mail address, for the message recipient. b) When I'm trying to encrypt mail for a recipient whose public key is not associated with the current To: address. c) When the key for signing is found to be invalid. Otherwise the message is automatically encrypted without the key choice dialog popping up. When I encrypt a message to you Marck, the dialog doesn't appear. Same for Nick. IOW's the box seems to pop up only when there is some uncertainty as to which key to use. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Shift happpens. - Doppler " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOePQiPAXeSHuB5k3EQKziQCfbwRhwxGv9q8H/mT7w8R5wxT4zcUAoO5D cnCUjuoAGsllKb83ET/77tB9 =iTvh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On October 10, 2000 A. Curtis Martin Wrote: IOW's the box seems to pop up only when there is some uncertainty as to which key to use. Thanks for the confirmation Allie. The mere fact that the dialogue box doesn't appear under all conditions, is deserving of a report to RitLABS which I have just sent off. Not sure if others have sent one in, but I didn't think it would do any harm to send mine in. Being able to choose multiple recipients is a feature of PGP's encryption process, so not having that choice when using TB! is a clear indication that the problem rests with the plug-in. Thanks again for your input. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Join PGP-Basics at http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics iQA/AwUBOePdK8UChHR7o/3OEQLCuACg421ZwZZrWu0VlHB3567/CsvueIQAn3je PiEdJInUEfioI+QluDerwnjb =/G2k -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:23:26 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote: NA Being able to choose multiple recipients is a feature of PGP's encryption NA process, so not having that choice when using TB! is a clear indication NA that the problem rests with the plug-in. NA Thanks again for your input. No problem, but hang on there a minute Nick. If I wish to encrypt the message to multiple recipients, when I address the message to the other recipients, the encryption to the other recipients is also done automatically (unless uncertainties with the other recipients key as I outlined before arise). I can't think of any practical reason why I'd want to encrypt a message to someone to whom the message will not be sent to. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOePiXfAXeSHuB5k3EQLfPACgim+jvwwSycL8aGHffc34NZFDLRcAnj5T Vbp7P1Q98zzuqvA/kmVXDAQH =cQjx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
