Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
2011/8/19 Tom H > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:19 PM, cornel panceac > wrote: > > 2011/8/19 cornel panceac > >> > >> anybody knows how to add more operating systems to grub2 , in fedora 16? > >> > > never mind, i've added the answer to: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Grub2 > > You have to set "GRUB_DEFAULT=saved" in "/etc/default/grub" in order > for "grub2-set-default " to work. > > (What does setting a grub default have to do with adding other OSs to > the grub menu?!) > Tom & others, please make there any correction you find necessary. I've just added some quick notes so that the information will not be flushed from buffer :) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:19 PM, cornel panceac wrote: > 2011/8/19 cornel panceac >> >> anybody knows how to add more operating systems to grub2 , in fedora 16? >> > never mind, i've added the answer to: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Grub2 You have to set "GRUB_DEFAULT=saved" in "/etc/default/grub" in order for "grub2-set-default " to work. (What does setting a grub default have to do with adding other OSs to the grub menu?!) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
Thank you for adding your solution. os-prober *should* be a dependency of grub2 . - Original Message - From: "cornel panceac" To: "For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases" Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:19:29 PM Subject: Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY 2011/8/19 cornel panceac < cpanc...@gmail.com > anybody knows how to add more operating systems to grub2 , in fedora 16? never mind, i've added the answer to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Grub2 :) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
cornel panceac wrote: > since we're talking about grub2, at the end of f16 rc5 i586 dvd install, > it tried for about an hour to do something with an non-existent fd0, > then failed to install onto the partition's boot sector. unfortunately, > this meant the newly installed system is not booting without further > actions. Since floppy support is not even loaded by default in the kernel any longer how are more people not seeing this problem? Everyone will not have a /dev/fd0 so everyone should see this bug. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
2011/8/19 cornel panceac > anybody knows how to add more operating systems to grub2 , in fedora 16? > > never mind, i've added the answer to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Grub2 :) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
anybody knows how to add more operating systems to grub2 , in fedora 16? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
2011/8/19 Bodhi Zazen > Did you file a bug report ? > yes: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732076 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
Did you file a bug report ? - Original Message - From: "cornel panceac" To: "For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases" Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:08:10 PM Subject: Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY since we're talking about grub2, at the end of f16 rc5 i586 dvd install, it tried for about an hour to do something with an non-existent fd0, then failed to install onto the partition's boot sector. unfortunately, this meant the newly installed system is not booting without further actions. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
since we're talking about grub2, at the end of f16 rc5 i586 dvd install, it tried for about an hour to do something with an non-existent fd0, then failed to install onto the partition's boot sector. unfortunately, this meant the newly installed system is not booting without further actions. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
On Thursday 18 of August 2011 10:09:26 Karel Volný wrote: > On Wednesday 17 of August 2011 18:55:06 Tom H wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Michael Cronenworth > > wrote: > > > Karel Volný wrote: > > >> - last time I checked, the website with the docs was > > >> down, and it lasted for at least a week, then I gave up > > >> (maybe it is online now?) > > > > > > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/ > > > > I suspect that Karel was referring to > > http://http://grub.enbug.org/Manual > > exactly > > K. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/ says "last updated May 29, 2011" - is that a joke? it is just about *three weeks* since my experiments with grub2 mentioned in another part of this thread, and everyone was referring to malfunctional http://grub.enbug.org/Manual ... oh my ... K. -- Karel Volný QE BaseOs/Daemons Team Red Hat Czech, Brno tel. +420 532294274 (RH: +420 532294111 ext. 8262074) xmpp ka...@jabber.cz :: "Never attribute to malice what can :: easily be explained by stupidity." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
On Wednesday 17 of August 2011 18:55:06 Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > Karel Volný wrote: > >> - last time I checked, the website with the docs was down, > >> and it lasted for at least a week, then I gave up (maybe > >> it is online now?) > > > > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/ > > I suspect that Karel was referring to > http://http://grub.enbug.org/Manual exactly K. -- Karel Volný QE BaseOs/Daemons Team Red Hat Czech, Brno tel. +420 532294274 (RH: +420 532294111 ext. 8262074) xmpp ka...@jabber.cz :: "Never attribute to malice what can :: easily be explained by stupidity." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
Fair enough, I started a page Will add content when F16 hits Beta, sooner if I have a chance https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Grub2 - Original Message - From: "Rahul Sundaram" To: "For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases" Cc: "Bodhi Zazen" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:23:05 PM Subject: Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY On 08/18/2011 12:27 AM, Bodhi Zazen wrote: > users to customize grub 2 is almost non-existent. > > All you really need is a documentation page, similar to this : > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 > > and reference the grub manual for further information. > > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html > > That second link is very complete ;) > > I can work on a grub 2 page for fedora (fedorasolved) if that would be of any > assistance, sort of depends on if anyone has started on documentation for > fedora yet. If you start a wiki page at http;//fedoraproject.org/wiki/Grub2, I would be happy to coordinate with you. I guess you grab the latest Fedora 16 Alpha RC and take a look first Rahul -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
On 08/18/2011 12:27 AM, Bodhi Zazen wrote: > users to customize grub 2 is almost non-existent. > > All you really need is a documentation page, similar to this : > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 > > and reference the grub manual for further information. > > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html > > That second link is very complete ;) > > I can work on a grub 2 page for fedora (fedorasolved) if that would be of any > assistance, sort of depends on if anyone has started on documentation for > fedora yet. If you start a wiki page at http;//fedoraproject.org/wiki/Grub2, I would be happy to coordinate with you. I guess you grab the latest Fedora 16 Alpha RC and take a look first Rahul -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
I have been using grub 2 for some time, most distros in fact use grub 2, fedora is one of the last major distros to switch over. The advantages of grub 2 are 1. Grub 2 is much more feature rich. 2. Grub 2 has very good OS detection. 3. Grub 2 has a few very nice features. 4. gurb 1 is depreciated. I agree that the major disadvantage is that it is more complex to configure if there are problems or you want to customize. This is off set by the simple fact that grub 2 almost always works out of the box and so the need for users to customize grub 2 is almost non-existent. All you really need is a documentation page, similar to this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 and reference the grub manual for further information. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html That second link is very complete ;) I can work on a grub 2 page for fedora (fedorasolved) if that would be of any assistance, sort of depends on if anyone has started on documentation for fedora yet. I have not yet tried F16 so do not know what, if any, customizations have been made for fedora. There is no real point to complaining about these things, projects move on, and you have to learn to adapt to the changes. bodhi.zazen - Original Message - From: "Tom H" To: "For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:23:56 AM Subject: Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > No small problem with Grub2 is that few but Grub devs know how to configure > it. Grub2 documentation is among the worst of the bad, virtually > non-existent, particularly in a form those who need it most can comprehend, > e.g. multibooters, RAID users & GPT users who are not Grub devs. It's been at least a year since I last consulted any online grub2 documentation but there were definitely some very good explanations and howtos available. The tools and scripts that build grub.cfg have become far better than they were when, for example, Ubuntu 9.10 was released and they didn't recognize a Fedora initrd (if you were dual-booting Fedora and Ubuntu) and sometimes misidentified the "/" and "/boot" partitions. Since then many bugs have been squashed, many refinements made, and features added (like having "/boot" on a v1.x metadata mdraid array or a partitioned mdraid array). Fedora's always had very good documentation so we'll eventually have something good on fp.o. I prefer grub1 though because if you want to customize grub.cfg beyond what grub2 upstream thinks that you can/should, you have to edit the scripts in "/etc/grub.d/" - and that's more trouble than it's really worth. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > No small problem with Grub2 is that few but Grub devs know how to configure > it. Grub2 documentation is among the worst of the bad, virtually > non-existent, particularly in a form those who need it most can comprehend, > e.g. multibooters, RAID users & GPT users who are not Grub devs. It's been at least a year since I last consulted any online grub2 documentation but there were definitely some very good explanations and howtos available. The tools and scripts that build grub.cfg have become far better than they were when, for example, Ubuntu 9.10 was released and they didn't recognize a Fedora initrd (if you were dual-booting Fedora and Ubuntu) and sometimes misidentified the "/" and "/boot" partitions. Since then many bugs have been squashed, many refinements made, and features added (like having "/boot" on a v1.x metadata mdraid array or a partitioned mdraid array). Fedora's always had very good documentation so we'll eventually have something good on fp.o. I prefer grub1 though because if you want to customize grub.cfg beyond what grub2 upstream thinks that you can/should, you have to edit the scripts in "/etc/grub.d/" - and that's more trouble than it's really worth. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Karel Volný wrote: >> >> - last time I checked, the website with the docs was down, and it >> lasted for at least a week, then I gave up (maybe it is online >> now?) > > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/ I suspect that Karel was referring to http://http://grub.enbug.org/Manual which was the more or less official (and not particularly helpful) grub2 documentation before the gnu.org grub2 manual was created and published and which has been offline for a few months. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
Karel Volný wrote: > - last time I checked, the website with the docs was down, and it > lasted for at least a week, then I gave up (maybe it is online > now?) http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/ -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
just a note ... > Grub2 documentation is among the worst of > the bad, virtually non-existent, virtually? - last time I checked, the website with the docs was down, and it lasted for at least a week, then I gave up (maybe it is online now?) so, from user POV, it *is* non-existant K. -- Karel Volný QE BaseOs/Daemons Team Red Hat Czech, Brno tel. +420 532294274 (RH: +420 532294111 ext. 8262074) xmpp ka...@jabber.cz :: "Never attribute to malice what can :: easily be explained by stupidity." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
On 2011/08/16 19:21 (GMT-0400) Benjamin Kosnik composed: > Yeah. That's right. I'm psyched to have this in fedora. Not me. > This will hopefully allow fedora to deal with GPT in a saner and > more-up-to-date way, thus resolving many bugzilla reports. But you get a vastly larger set of bugs with it. It's a mini operating system, far more complex than Legacy grub. > Including some of the interoperability issues with fedora/mac dual boot. No small problem with Grub2 is that few but Grub devs know how to configure it. Grub2 documentation is among the worst of the bad, virtually non-existent, particularly in a form those who need it most can comprehend, e.g. multibooters, RAID users & GPT users who are not Grub devs. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Oh YES! grub2 FINALLY
Yeah. That's right. I'm psyched to have this in fedora. This will hopefully allow fedora to deal with GPT in a saner and more-up-to-date way, thus resolving many bugzilla reports. Including some of the interoperability issues with fedora/mac dual boot. Yay. -benjamin -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
