RE: [TeX-music] pmx: note-slur-pause
Alexandros Droseltis wrote
> I have a problem at the last note/pause of the following example. How
> could I correct it? I want the slur to begin at the note and end at
> the pause at the same height.
PMX cannot handle slurs to rests, partly because they don't make much
musical sense. But if you really want to do this, it turns out PMX lets you
start and end a slur on the same note. The horizontal shifts are limited,
though, to +/- 6.3 notehead widths. See the corrected file below.
>the accidentals are
>small. At the rest of the piece, some are big and some are small. What
>did I do wrong?
You didn't enter "Ab" at the beginning. Explanation: the original default
behavior for PMX was to use big accidentals unless a big one would not fit
in the available space, then it switched to a small one, and then would only
add space if the small one would not fit. At some point I decided I didn't
really like the jumble of sizes, so I programmed up "Ab" to force big
accidentals always. But the old default had been in place for a long time,
so I didn't really want to change the default.
I also notice you aren't using postscript slurs ("Ap"). I realize there are
some features in that package that some people object to. I've been in touch
with Stanislav, he's already sent me an upgrade that addresses all of those
issues, and I've been building some more functionality into PMX to use the
new slurs. In particular, ties and slurs will now be different whenever
"Ap" is in effect. I'm waiting for Stanislav to give me the go-ahead to post
the new slur files; the upgraded PMX may take a little longer.
--Don Simons
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Re: [TeX-music] pmx: note-slur-pause
Don Simons wrote:
>
> Alexandros Droseltis wrote
>
> > I have a problem at the last note/pause of the following example. How
> > could I correct it? I want the slur to begin at the note and end at
> > the pause at the same height.
>
> PMX cannot handle slurs to rests, partly because they don't make much
> musical sense. But if you really want to do this, it turns out PMX lets you
> start and end a slur on the same note. The horizontal shifts are limited,
> though, to +/- 6.3 notehead widths. See the corrected file below.
Thanks Don! It's very nice. But the combination note-slur-pause *does*
make musical sense, especially in instruments like the harp or
percussion: it means that the player must not stop the vibration of the
strings (harp) or the body of the instrument (tubes). Berg uses it in
the horns too, to indicate that the end of the sound must not be abrupt.
> I also notice you aren't using postscript slurs ("Ap").
I tried it, but pmx does not accept it.
Regards
Alexandros
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Re: [TeX-music] pmx: note-slur-pause
Hello Don, Alexandros, and all,
This is a bit out-of-date topic: combination of note-slur-pause.
Following does not work well on PMX(2.30-)2.402 with and without `Ap'.
Slurs are parsed, horizontal positioning is *OK*, but the vertical
position of end is always {b}.
1 1 4 4 4 4 0 0 0 4 20 0
0
./
Ap
c25d s r4 s /
c24d s r4 s /
In these cases, slurs should be level at default.
Don, Would you please fix this?
on Sun, 19 May 2002 15:08:19 +0200 Alexandros Droseltis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Don! It's very nice. But the combination note-slur-pause *does*
> make musical sense, especially in instruments like the harp or
> percussion: it means that the player must not stop the vibration of the
> strings (harp) or the body of the instrument (tubes). Berg uses it in
> the horns too, to indicate that the end of the sound must not be abrupt.
Also, a combination of note-slur-pause is sometimes seen in songs
and tunes for pianoforte.
This says to a singer that the note must be sustained `espressivo'
during the note length.
This is quite different expression from a tenuto but it's hard
to explain in letters.
Anyway a combination of note-slur-pause makes important musical sense.
By the way, not only my package but perhaps also Stanislav's package
has no limit with slur slope.
How about abolishing the slur slope limitter shown below?
-
This is PMX, Version 2.402, 13 July 2002
Opening mx20.pmx
Starting first PMX pass
ERROR in line 6, bar 2 Magnitude of slur height adjustment cannot exceed 15
v
c25d s r4 s+32 /
-
Best regards,
Hiroaki MORIMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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RE: [TeX-music] pmx: note-slur-pause
Hiroaki MORIMOTO wr4ote
> This is a bit out-of-date topic: combination of note-slur-pause.
>
I'm glad you reminded me, because I had forgotten about it, and you did
justify
the request.
> Following does not work well on PMX(2.30-)2.402 with and without `Ap'.
> Slurs are parsed, horizontal positioning is *OK*, but the vertical
> position of end is always {b}.
>
> 1 1 4 4 4 4 0 0 0 4 20 0
>
> 0
> ./
> Ap
> c25d s r4 s /
>
> c24d s r4 s /
>
>
> In these cases, slurs should be level at default.
> Don, Would you please fix this?
>
http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/pmx/pmx2404.zip
> By the way, not only my package but perhaps also Stanislav's package
> has no limit with slur slope.
> How about abolishing the slur slope limitter shown below?
>
> -
> This is PMX, Version 2.402, 13 July 2002
> Opening mx20.pmx
>
> Starting first PMX pass
>
>
> ERROR in line 6, bar 2 Magnitude of slur height adjustment
> cannot exceed 15
> v
> c25d s r4 s+32 /
>
> -
>
To be precise, the limit is on the vertical height adjustment. The slope
will depend on how long the slur is. But now that I've fixed the slurs
ending on rests. is there any real need for this? If not I'd rather not
change it: I reserved 5 bits for the height adjustment because I thought
+/-15 would cover any
real situation.
--Don
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Oops! RE: [TeX-music] pmx: note-slur-pause
Forgot to include the example:
=
21 44 0 00 0
1 1 200.07
Arpa
tt
./
Ab
% BARS
r4 r1 d84 Df ( a14 a ) g8 f1 b8 c1 ( e14 /
\Uptext{\metron{\cu}{60}}\
d84 Df a84 g f1 ( b b ) c e84 ( d15 a g f /
m5800
%e1 ) ( d15 a g [ f b83 ofd-1 ) ( c1 ] r8 ) /
e1 ) ( d15 a g [ f b83 ofd-1 ) ( c1 )+0+4 ] r8 /
%b83 ) [ b35 cf b1 ] [ b35 cf b8 of ( cn1 ] r8 ) /
b83 ) [ b35 cf b1 ] [ b35 cf b8 of ( cn1 )+0+4 ] r8 /
=
> -Original Message-
> From: Don Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: TeX-Music
> Subject: RE: [TeX-music] pmx: note-slur-pause
>
>
> Alexandros Droseltis wrote
>
> > I have a problem at the last note/pause of the following example. How
> > could I correct it? I want the slur to begin at the note and end at
> > the pause at the same height.
>
> PMX cannot handle slurs to rests, partly because they don't make
> much musical sense. But if you really want to do this, it turns
> out PMX lets you start and end a slur on the same note. The
> horizontal shifts are limited, though, to +/- 6.3 notehead
> widths. See the corrected file below.
>
> >the accidentals are
> >small. At the rest of the piece, some are big and some are small. What
> >did I do wrong?
>
> You didn't enter "Ab" at the beginning. Explanation: the
> original default behavior for PMX was to use big accidentals
> unless a big one would not fit in the available space, then it
> switched to a small one, and then would only add space if the
> small one would not fit. At some point I decided I didn't really
> like the jumble of sizes, so I programmed up "Ab" to force big
> accidentals always. But the old default had been in place for a
> long time, so I didn't really want to change the default.
>
> I also notice you aren't using postscript slurs ("Ap"). I
> realize there are some features in that package that some people
> object to. I've been in touch with Stanislav, he's already sent
> me an upgrade that addresses all of those issues, and I've been
> building some more functionality into PMX to use the new slurs.
> In particular, ties and slurs will now be different whenever "Ap"
> is in effect. I'm waiting for Stanislav to give me the go-ahead
> to post the new slur files; the upgraded PMX may take a little longer.
>
> --Don Simons
>
>
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