[time-nuts] Shorthand

2012-07-23 Thread g4gjl
Is there a commonly accepted shorthand for a frequency, say 10MHz, generated at 
the maximum accuracy of the lab generating it?

ie instead of writing 10.5MHz?

Pete
G4GJL
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Re: [time-nuts] Shorthand

2012-07-23 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, 5E-10, valid for every frequency.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:50 PM, g4...@btopenworld.com wrote:

 Is there a commonly accepted shorthand for a frequency, say 10MHz,
 generated at the maximum accuracy of the lab generating it?

 ie instead of writing 10.5MHz?

 Pete
 G4GJL
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Re: [time-nuts] Shorthand

2012-07-23 Thread Tom Van Baak

Hi Pete,

Yes, there are several ways to represent frequencies:

1) Absolute units of Hz. For example 60 Hz, or 32.768 kHz, or 3.579545 MHz, or 
9.192631770 GHz. Note some modern texts use s⁻¹ (1/s or s-1) instead of Hz or 
Hertz. Or, you can always show your age and use cps (cycles per second).

2) Arithmetic error from some nominal value. For example 3 Hz above 1 MHz, or 
17 Hz below 40 GHz. Your frequency is 10 MHz plus 0.005 Hz, or 5 mHz 
(milli-Hertz) too high.

3) Relative, or geometric error. For example, 60 Hz with 1% error, or 32.768 
kHz with -10 ppm error, or 10 MHz with +0.5 ppb error. Note these errors values 
are unit-less. The general form is F = F0 x (1 + E) where F0 is the nominal 
frequency and E is the relative error.

In your example 10.5 MHz is 10 MHz x (1 + 0.05). Note carefully 
the decimal point; 10.000 000 005 MHz is 10 MHz x (1.000 000 000 5) so E = 0.5 
ppb.

In most cases one need only specify the relative error since F0 is either 
implied or irrelevant. For example, if you multiplied your oscillator to 1 GHz 
or divided it down to 1 PPS the relative frequency error would remain 0.5 ppb.

3½) When using percents, ppb (parts per million), or ppb (parts per billion) is 
not convenient, you can always use scientific notation. So instead of 0.5 ppb 
(or 500 ppt) it's more common to see 5e-10. This is much more informative than 
saying 10.5MHz and making the poor reader count each of the zeros.

In summary,

10.5 MHz 
5 mHz above 10 MHz
+0.5 ppb error
+5e-10

/tvb

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Subject: [time-nuts] Shorthand


 Is there a commonly accepted shorthand for a frequency, say 10MHz, generated 
 at the maximum accuracy of the lab generating it?
 
 ie instead of writing 10.5MHz?
 
 Pete
 G4GJL




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Re: [time-nuts] Shorthand

2012-07-23 Thread Jim Lux

On 7/23/12 3:23 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote:


Hi Pete,

Yes, there are several ways to represent frequencies:

1) Absolute units of Hz. For example 60 Hz, or 32.768 kHz, or
3.579545 MHz, or 9.192631770 GHz. Note some modern texts use s⁻¹ (1/s
or s-1) instead of Hz or Hertz. Or, you can always show your age and
use cps (cycles per second).



or, as the directional couplers I've been working with the last few 
weeks say, 2-4 KMC


We have boxes of these Narda 10,20 and 30 dB couplers with N connectors, 
all bought for Ranger and Mariner.  I joke that they are older than most 
of the engineers using them.  The cal tags on some probably qualify as 
historical documents.


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