Re: [tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?

2016-07-19 Thread Claudia Stanny 
The close paraphrasing (to be generous . . . looks more like mosaic
plagiarism) might be forgiven in a student paper if it included a citation
for the original author. Missing in last night's speed.

When students copy words verbatim and do not cite the author, they steal
both the author's language and the author's ideas. Plagiarism also occurs
when we claim ideas as our own, paraphrasing (however loosely, which might
not cross the boundary into mosaic plagiarism) without crediting the source
of those ideas.

The NPR rendition, with Michelle and she who will not be named speaking in
unison, was compelling.

Claudia


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On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Rick Froman  wrote:

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> I think it is funny that politicians and those in the political realm can
> employ speech writers while claiming everything they say is their own
> thoughts. While 7% overlap in a tested document on a plagiarism detector
> might not automatically raise a red flag, I definitely wouldn’t look kindly
> on a student who employed someone to write their papers for them (even with
> the caveat that they actually provided the outline of the paper and some
> specifics for the writer to toss in and they had final say on the final
> form of the paper). To be clear, if I did follow up on the 7% indicator and
> found those sentences for the speech discussed on this thread, I would
> definitely say the student had plagiarized. You don’t have to plagiarize an
> entire paper for plagiarism to have occurred. However, I would also
> consider as a violation of academic integrity every use, by a student, of a
> speechwriter or ghostwriter.
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> Assuming that the speech writers attended university, would they not have
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RE: [tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?

2016-07-19 Thread Rick Froman 
I think it is funny that politicians and those in the political realm can 
employ speech writers while claiming everything they say is their own thoughts. 
While 7% overlap in a tested document on a plagiarism detector might not 
automatically raise a red flag, I definitely wouldn't look kindly on a student 
who employed someone to write their papers for them (even with the caveat that 
they actually provided the outline of the paper and some specifics for the 
writer to toss in and they had final say on the final form of the paper). To be 
clear, if I did follow up on the 7% indicator and found those sentences for the 
speech discussed on this thread, I would definitely say the student had 
plagiarized. You don't have to plagiarize an entire paper for plagiarism to 
have occurred. However, I would also consider as a violation of academic 
integrity every use, by a student, of a speechwriter or ghostwriter.

Rick


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Stuart McKelvie noted:

Assuming that the speech writers attended university, would they not have 
learned what plagiarism is?


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RE: [tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?

2016-07-19 Thread Stuart McKelvie 
Dear Tipsters,

Assuming that the speech writers attended university, would they not have 
learned what plagiarism is?

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From: Ken Steele [mailto:steel...@appstate.edu]
Sent: July 19, 2016 11:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?




7% is the amount accounted for at this moment in time.

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On 7/19/2016 8:17 AM, Mike Palij wrote:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/melania-trump-michelle-obama-speech/index.html

Send me something. ;-)

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Re: [tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?

2016-07-19 Thread Ken Steele 

7% is the amount accounted for at this moment in time.

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On 7/19/2016 8:17 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
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> http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/melania-trump-michelle-obama-speech/index.html
> Send me something. ;-)
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Re: [tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?

2016-07-19 Thread Mike Palij 

It's Hillary's fault.  See:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/07/19/paul-manafort-blames-hillary-clinton-for-melania-trump-speech-plagiarism-allegation/

Also, quoting from the WSJ article:

|New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who is slated to speak Tuesday
|at the convention, said the similarities in the speeches aren't a
|cause for concern when "93% of the speech is completely different
|from Michelle Obama's speech."

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 06:36:21 -0700,  Christopher Green wrote:

"Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface
what they take, and good poets make it into something better,
or at least something different."
- T. S. Eliot
Make of that what you want.



On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:08 AM, William Scott wrote:

quote from the CNN report:
"Manafort said the words Melania used were not "cribbed" but
are common words."

What a great defense to the charge of plagiarism. We have a
bass player in > our bluegrass group who often tells a joke on
stage. He claims to know all > the words to all the Bluegrass
songs. He just doesn't remember what order they are in.

In direct answer to the question, a plagiarized paragraph in
a student's paper has always been plagiarism. Also, the words
do not have to be the same if the ideas, especially as sentences,
follow the same order to the same effect.


On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:17:14 AM, Mike Palij wrote:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/melania-trump-michelle-obama-speech/index.html

Send me something. ;-) 



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[tips] Why Is She Smiling?

2016-07-19 Thread Mike Palij 
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/police/mc-pa--kids-in-trunk-20160718-story.html

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Re: [tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?

2016-07-19 Thread Christopher Green 
"Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, 
and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.”
- T. S. Eliot

Make of that what you want. 
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On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:08 AM, William Scott  wrote:

> 
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> 
>  
> quote from the CNN report:
> "Manafort said the words Melania used were not "cribbed" but are common 
> words."
> 
> What a great defense to the charge of plagiarism. We have a bass player in 
> our bluegrass group who often tells a joke on stage. He claims to know all 
> the words to all the Bluegrass songs. He just doesn't remember what order 
> they are in.
> 
> In direct answer to the question, a plagiarized paragraph in a student's 
> paper has always been plagiarism. Also, the words do not have to be the same 
> if the ideas, especially as sentences, follow the same order to the same 
> effect.
> 
> Bill Scott
> 
> From: Mike Palij 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:17:14 AM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Cc: Michael Palij
> Subject: [tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?
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> 
> 
> 
>  
> http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/melania-trump-michelle-obama-speech/index.html
>  
> Send me something. ;-)
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> -Mike Palij
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Re: [tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?

2016-07-19 Thread William Scott 
quote from the CNN report:

"Manafort said the words Melania used were not "cribbed" but are common words."


What a great defense to the charge of plagiarism. We have a bass player in our 
bluegrass group who often tells a joke on stage. He claims to know all the 
words to all the Bluegrass songs. He just doesn't remember what order they are 
in.


In direct answer to the question, a plagiarized paragraph in a student's paper 
has always been plagiarism. Also, the words do not have to be the same if the 
ideas, especially as sentences, follow the same order to the same effect.


Bill Scott



From: Mike Palij 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:17:14 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Cc: Michael Palij
Subject: [tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?




http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/melania-trump-michelle-obama-speech/index.html

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[tips] Is 7% Copying Still Plagiarism?

2016-07-19 Thread Mike Palij 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/melania-trump-michelle-obama-speech/index.html

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