Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. 73, Jim K9YC Funny that there is no comment abt this??? I also don't think something like that deserve any comment, but cant hold... I suggest that for those, who support this Opinion, that DX Mart or DX Supermarket should be started, so only one who pay get QSO, its a true HAM spirit. and then pay again for QSL... Maybe expedition even need not to go to the entity at all, why make cost, waste time and money, etc??? also, who pay more should get QSO first, and/or more QSO, maye to charge by Band / Mode... and maybe, as Premium service, no need to work DX Exped at all, QSO would be entered in LOG automatically, and VIP QSL send, plus LoTW confirmation and eQSL as free Bonus I promise, will not call such Expedition ever, and I will not be angry and make DQRM for sure... I also promise, I will not charge for any QSO with E74AW, or QSL , except usual practice, and will work as good DX Operating practice demand, mean, will not wait for daylight in NA, to call NA, and will not call EU in my SR when is time to work NA, or will not work EU when is JA SR etc... Its just my humble opinion, I do not ask anyone to agree or disagree with me... And Im not angry to anyone, ... gl to all who think this kind of HAM radio should be 73 dado E74AW -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Friday, 06 February, 2015 04:28 To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Someone did a more extensive analysis of several DXpeditions maybe 2 or 3 years ago. Basically the same conclusion. Typically NA puts up the largest percentage of the funds but doesn't get that percentage in Q's. I forget which group it was posted in. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Garry Shapiro Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:43 PM To: mailto:topband@contesting.com topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry On 2/5/2015 11:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Thu,2/5/2015 8:29 AM, Fortra wrote: jeez those numbers are worrying. So are the numbers for contributions to the cost of DX trips that have gotten increasingly expensive. The only way to get on the island is via a helicopter, and they have had to make many trips. Some of my friends go on these trips (three are on Navassa), and all of them complain that while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. Take a look at the News tab on this link, then the Our Sponsors tab, noting the breakdown by continent for contributions from Clubs and individual hams. http://www.navassadx.com/ http://www.navassadx.com/ All of that notwithstanding, some of the key players on this expedition were also part of FT5ZM, which did a spectacular job of filling logs everywhere, taking advantage of propagation and great station engineering. AA7JV and HA7RY are part of this trip. Their topband record is excellent. And they're not the only guys who know how to work topband. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Remote Operation
Absolutly agree, It makes absolutely NO difference where the operator is sitting. The contact is between the two physical stations. I send same statement few days ago, and its VERY CLEAR, except someone deliberatly dont want to make it clear Callsign is assigned to HAM for Station, and Station have physical / geographic Location , Latitude/Longitude... if Op not operating from that location, then there is /p /m /mm /am etc, / ctry pfx if in other ctry, and its perfect system then only question remain is how far RX Antenna/ Antennas can be from TX , as we taking TX Location as Station location (is remote Acces by dedicated IP Link, public Interent, RF Link, make no diffrence at all...) All this is self understandable, so I think no need for any wide discussion, I just repeat my Opinoin 73 all dado E74AW -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of m.r. Sent: Monday, 02 February, 2015 06:07 To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Remote Operation To me the remote operation ethics have always been clear, and still are. It makes absolutely NO difference where the operator is sitting. The contact is between the two physical stations. Any station - remotely controlled or not - must identify legally under the rules of the county in which the RF transmitter and receiver are located. This includes properly identifying the zone, state, section, grid square, whatever the current activity requires. When it is just the country, that must also be clear. In this case, if OE1AZS was using the W4ABC station, he could legally identify in two ways, Just W4ABC, or W4/OE1AZS. It is NOT legal for a transmitter in the W4 district of the US to be identified ONLY as OE1AZS. It does not matter if the person, OE1AZS, is sitting at the knobs at W4ABC, or is sitting at home controlling the W4ABC station by remote control. But, folks who can, will cheat just to be first in a log. They really only cheat themselves, to the DX station, its just one more contact Claming the contact for DXCC or any other kind of award credit is cheating. Again, the person most cheated is the individual who submits the contact for the award. Robin Critchell WA6CDR - Original Message - From: Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 20:13 Subject: Topband: Remote Operation Listening to K1N on 7023 and to stations calling this evening. OE1AZS was calling and boy was he loud here. Obviously not calling from Europe and he wasn't signing portable. My beam was pointed at K1N and the eu stations he was working were weak off the side of the beam except for OE1AZS. What would be his ethics limits? Doug There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer could believe them. - George Orwell, 1984 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: SAL-30 EZNEC Model
anyone can provide SAL-30 EZNEC model? (geometry, and phasing delay? ) 73 dado E74AW _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition
hi all, As I can can see in EZNEC, simple model, Tower 2 Ft over average ground, 242 Ft high, best and simplest solution is to put sloping Dipole, K8UR style, Arch shape, from top of the Tower, Gain in dipole direction can be as much as 3.84 dBi at 17 degrees Vertical angle, one Dipole toward EU 60-90 degrees, and maybe other to west 270-300 degrees, that would cover all 360 degrees , with F-S 90 degrees less then 3 dB difference, but 90 degrees from HH north is NA, south SA, and thats close-almost local, so should be no problem... 73 gl,looking forward HH , would be new one 160m hi dado E74AW -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carl Sent: Wednesday, 26 February, 2014 01:44 To: g...@ka1j.com; Topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition Make them shorter and they will often do well over tidal marshes but not over open water. For a 240' tower Id suggest gamma feeding it up at the 1/4 wave point and use 4 elevated radials. It the AM BCB radials are installed they will make an excellent ground screen but do not connect them to the 160M feedline. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com To: g...@ka1j.com; Topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition That's not so surprising Gary !! te Way the Beverages and similar slow-wave antennas work is that they depend on the lossy GND underneath for their operation, so a salt marsh would not be a very beneficial GND structure under a Beverage! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:09 PM To: Topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition My Inv-L is on a salt marsh on Long Island Sound in Connecticut I ran two bidirectional 860' beverages over the salt marsh. I had terrible results with the beverages, very noisy and hardly any improvement over the Inv-L, much of the time the Inv-L was more effective on Rx. With that, my experience of beverages salt marshes says to avoid this route. I ended up with a HI-Z Triangular array for Rx and it works very well at the same location. Gary KA1J No, I don't believe 240' is too high - especially if the tower has a base insulator! It would be so close to 1/2 wave on 160, that it could be fed very well as a 1/2 wave radiator on 160, either via a parallel tuned tank or a 1/4 wave of perhaps 450 oh ladder line. A 1/2 wave radiator wis an excellent transmit antenna, and, because of the high feed-point impedance can be driven against a very modest ground arrangement Like you, though, I believe they would do well to put up some terminated loops, or perhaps a Beverage (or 3?) for receive antennas! A 240' vertical would, I think, be a VERY noisy receive antenna. If they put up a KAZ terminated loop that only requires one overhead support, they could steer it around with ropes and weights on the ground. The KAZ is like ON4UN's FO0AAA 160 receive loop. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Richard Karlquist Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:38 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition Congratulations on your adventure. In the past, I have seen some of these AM tower efforts ruined by lousy receive conditions. I suggest you get an advance team out to the site to check out the noise level etc. and maybe put up some temporary beverages, loops, whatever and LISTEN on them. Use WWV and WWVH on 2.5 MHz as a beacon. Others can comment on whether 240 feet is too high. Rick N6RK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7124 - Release Date: 02/25/14 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
