Topband: QRP Question...
Had so much fun in the Stew with an Elecraft K1 but it overloaded / desensitized with many strong signals. It uses a NE602 equiv. Gilbert Cell product detector. Am thinking about a KX-3 or TenTec 539. Anyone have comments about either on 160m ? Or some other choice ? 73 Jim / W1FMR ___ Stew Perry Topband Distance Challenge coming on December 29th.
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Guys - this QRP thread needs to die. Thanks. Tree On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Mike & Coreen Smith wrote: > A very very few times, I have used /QRP,. but 99.9% of the time I don't- > it's not me... > > I worked VK0IR on 20m SSB in the middle of the night using a couple watts. > The op stopped, worked me, and we chatted for probably a good minute or two. > He was quite surprised. No idea who the op was, but I am sure he'd remember, > even to this day. I had already worked them days earlier, as plain jane > "VE9AA", so I didn't want to appear in their log as a dupe. This was a > super rare thing to hear my part of the work in the middle of the night on > 20m with 59 signalsthe rest of 20m was stone cold dead(Es link to F2 > I think) so he made a point to find out what was up. He had been only > working a very few EU's @ the time. > > If I thought my signal was super weak and the station was asking me for > repeats, I am smart enough to drop the /QRP like a hot potato and move > forward with my basic callsign. It goes both ways. A little intuitiveness > goes a long way. (AKA common sense) > > HOWEVER, I don't get all worked up about others signing it to me. It's > perfectly fine. Sometimes, if things are slow, I'll say "NICE SIG /QRP OM" > or whatever, if it truly is a nice signal. Maybe that QRP guy wants to know > how well he's being heard. In SSB contests (only if things are slow...) I > might ask the guy what he's running for an antennahe's not working > strings of UA0's, so he'll likely stop and tell you. Relax people. Let > them sign what they want to sign. > > I do a lot of HF mobile and I have to sign /M...that's what we are told > to do here. (nobody thinks I am in the UK, that's just plain silly) > > 73 de Mike VE9AA/M > > Mike, Coreen & Corey Smith > 699 Rte 616 Keswick Ridge > NB > Canada > E6L 1T1 > - Original Message - > From: Jan Erik Holm > To: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question > > > Yes really. FCC does not rule the world and in this case > FCC is wrong. > > Country designator is put before the callsign. This changed > way back in the 1970´ties > > Not to confuse things if I go to England and work mobile > I could sign G3/SM2EKM/m or M3/SM2EKM/m, plain and simple > and not confusing. > > Not to waist any more BW I will now QSY to a different QRG. > > /Jim SM2EKM > > On 2011-12-13 06:32, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > > Really? > > > > FCC rules: > > > > (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each > > indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or > > by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is > > self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and > > after, the call sign.*No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any > > other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned > > to another country.* > > > > *M England (M3xxx and M6xxx - Foundation Class Licence, > > All others - Full Licence Grade) > 14 27* > > > > > > > > As I said nobody enforces this. Your licensing may be different. > > > > Mike W0MU > > > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > > > > > On 12/12/2011 10:21 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: > >> This is so wrong. Please please stop spreading this wrong stuff. > >> > >> It is a mobile designator and NO nothing else. > >> > >> /Jim SM2EKM > >> - > >> On 2011-12-12 18:21, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > >>> Legally signing /M is only legal if you are in England or one of the > >>> countries that uses the M prefix. It is readily accepted as Mobile > but > >>> is not a legal designator. I am not sure that most of the ones you > >>> listed are legal IARU or ITU call designators. This could vary from > >>> country to country. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Mike W0MU > >> ___ > >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > ___ > > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4077 - Release Date: 12/12/11 > 19:55:00 > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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A very very few times, I have used /QRP,. but 99.9% of the time I don't- it's not me... I worked VK0IR on 20m SSB in the middle of the night using a couple watts. The op stopped, worked me, and we chatted for probably a good minute or two. He was quite surprised. No idea who the op was, but I am sure he'd remember, even to this day. I had already worked them days earlier, as plain jane "VE9AA", so I didn't want to appear in their log as a dupe. This was a super rare thing to hear my part of the work in the middle of the night on 20m with 59 signalsthe rest of 20m was stone cold dead(Es link to F2 I think) so he made a point to find out what was up. He had been only working a very few EU's @ the time. If I thought my signal was super weak and the station was asking me for repeats, I am smart enough to drop the /QRP like a hot potato and move forward with my basic callsign. It goes both ways. A little intuitiveness goes a long way. (AKA common sense) HOWEVER, I don't get all worked up about others signing it to me. It's perfectly fine. Sometimes, if things are slow, I'll say "NICE SIG /QRP OM" or whatever, if it truly is a nice signal. Maybe that QRP guy wants to know how well he's being heard. In SSB contests (only if things are slow...) I might ask the guy what he's running for an antennahe's not working strings of UA0's, so he'll likely stop and tell you. Relax people. Let them sign what they want to sign. I do a lot of HF mobile and I have to sign /M...that's what we are told to do here. (nobody thinks I am in the UK, that's just plain silly) 73 de Mike VE9AA/M Mike, Coreen & Corey Smith 699 Rte 616 Keswick Ridge NB Canada E6L 1T1 - Original Message - From: Jan Erik Holm To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question Yes really. FCC does not rule the world and in this case FCC is wrong. Country designator is put before the callsign. This changed way back in the 1970´ties Not to confuse things if I go to England and work mobile I could sign G3/SM2EKM/m or M3/SM2EKM/m, plain and simple and not confusing. Not to waist any more BW I will now QSY to a different QRG. /Jim SM2EKM On 2011-12-13 06:32, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > Really? > > FCC rules: > > (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each > indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or > by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is > self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and > after, the call sign.*No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any > other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned > to another country.* > > *M England (M3xxx and M6xxx - Foundation Class Licence, > All others - Full Licence Grade) 14 27* > > > > As I said nobody enforces this. Your licensing may be different. > > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > > On 12/12/2011 10:21 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: >> This is so wrong. Please please stop spreading this wrong stuff. >> >> It is a mobile designator and NO nothing else. >> >> /Jim SM2EKM >> - >> On 2011-12-12 18:21, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >>> Legally signing /M is only legal if you are in England or one of the >>> countries that uses the M prefix. It is readily accepted as Mobile but >>> is not a legal designator. I am not sure that most of the ones you >>> listed are legal IARU or ITU call designators. This could vary from >>> country to country. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike W0MU >> ___ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4077 - Release Date: 12/12/11 19:55:00 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Yes really. FCC does not rule the world and in this case FCC is wrong. Country designator is put before the callsign. This changed way back in the 1970´ties Not to confuse things if I go to England and work mobile I could sign G3/SM2EKM/m or M3/SM2EKM/m, plain and simple and not confusing. Not to waist any more BW I will now QSY to a different QRG. /Jim SM2EKM On 2011-12-13 06:32, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > Really? > > FCC rules: > > (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each > indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or > by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is > self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and > after, the call sign.*No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any > other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned > to another country.* > > *M England (M3xxx and M6xxx - Foundation Class Licence, > All others - Full Licence Grade) > 14 27* > > > > As I said nobody enforces this. Your licensing may be different. > > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > > On 12/12/2011 10:21 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: >> This is so wrong. Please please stop spreading this wrong stuff. >> >> It is a mobile designator and NO nothing else. >> >> /Jim SM2EKM >> - >> On 2011-12-12 18:21, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >>> Legally signing /M is only legal if you are in England or one of the >>> countries that uses the M prefix. It is readily accepted as Mobile but >>> is not a legal designator. I am not sure that most of the ones you >>> listed are legal IARU or ITU call designators. This could vary from >>> country to country. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike W0MU >> ___ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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On Dec 13, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > My pet peeve is the use of QSL. It's supposed to indicate the receipt of a > message. A simple "roger" will suffice for the receipt of a signal report. "Roger" is proper for phone use, it's the old phonetic for R. Just a plain "R" is proper for CW or keyboard use. Ken WA8JXM ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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I agree with Roger. Both "QSL" and "CFM" are inefficient ways for indicating solid copy on CW. A simple "R" is all that's needed. 73, Joe K2XX On 12/13/2011 10:19 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > My pet peeve is the use of QSL. It's supposed to indicate the receipt of a > message. A simple "roger" will suffice for the receipt of a signal report. > > 73, Roger (no ten impunded) > > On 12/12/2011 4:06 PM, Carl Clawson wrote: >>> Another constant irking remarks extant is the use of "Roger" >>> in place of >>> "over" or "go ahead". To which I always remark..."my name is >>> Herb, not >>> Roger... Roger? >> ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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My pet peeve is the use of QSL. It's supposed to indicate the receipt of a message. A simple "roger" will suffice for the receipt of a signal report. 73, Roger (no ten impunded) On 12/12/2011 4:06 PM, Carl Clawson wrote: >> Another constant irking remarks extant is the use of "Roger" >> in place of >> "over" or "go ahead". To which I always remark..."my name is >> Herb, not >> Roger... Roger? > > -- Remember the Liberty (AGTR-5) http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ http://www.gtr5.com/ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Give it a rest, guys...! If someone elects to sign "/QRP", what of it...? Who cares about legalities, when every day on the band one hears stations working DX, & not giving the DX station's callsign at any time in the exchange...? And how about those endless "CQ DX/TEST" calls emanating ceaselessly from the "machines" that habituate 160-meters...? Yes, there are things to gripe about, alright---but there are far more to enjoy & to celebrate on Topband. I guess that's why we're all addicted to it! 'Nuff said...happy Topbanding, one & all... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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On 13/12/2011 05:32, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > Really? > > FCC rules: > > (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each > indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or > by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is > self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and > after, the call sign.*No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any > other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned > to another country.* > > *M England (M3xxx and M6xxx - Foundation Class Licence, > All others - Full Licence Grade) > 14 27* If I understood right, the "I'm in another country" bit goes in front over here, so a US amateur visiting the UK would be M/W1BB and if operating mobile, would be M/W1BB/M. When I drive in Germany, I'm DL/G3OIT/M. I recall that when I operated in the USA, I was told to use G3OIT/W8 so maybe the US puts the visitor flag in a different place. Certainly, if I heard W1BB/M I would think he was in his car in the USA, not in the UK. I agree, though, that it's pointless to sign /QRP. I suppose the next step would be for those with a good linear to sign /QRO_BUT_LOUSY_ANTENNA We used to have /A (alternative location) but that was dropped and we're told to use /P (even if the kit isn't portable). There is also /AM but the authorities here aren't keen to issue permits for that - I tried once: the requirements were impossible to meet. We do still have /M and /MM with various restrictions applying. 73 and Good Yule, Keith G3OIT ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Thank you very much Martin, I couldn´t have put i better myself. And as an advice, if some QRP station wants to work me don´t even try once with /qrp mickey mouse stuff, there will be no QSO. /Jim SM2EKM --- On 2011-12-12 20:59, Martin Kratoska wrote: > For sure, among worst violations of good operating practice is the (now > very common and massive) use of /QRP, ie. OK1RR/QRP. There is no other > reason than to attract more attention than others (using regular call > sign). ITU RR recognizes only /P, /M, /MM and /AM, national authorities > sometimes allowing a numbered ID indicating a region, ie. SM5ABC/4. All > other call signs must be issued in accordance with the regular licensing > mechanism (like OL1A/JP, Pope's visit in OK, there was a special call > OL1A/JP, issued with the slash and the JP appendix). Some other IDs are > issued in groups for limited time, like /J for Jamboree stations, /L for > school stations etc. > > More > http://www.ok1rr.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.57 > > A trend to attract more attention than others is really one of the worst > possible examples of bad behaviour and should be not tolerated (BTW > nothing against possible penalization of /QRP users). I find /QRP very > annoying in contests and pile-ups, it impedes a fast, hig rate operating. > > QRP is not your_call/QRP! > > 73 > Martin, OK1RR > > Dne 12.12.2011 17:58, W0UCE napsal(a): >> >> >> Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note >> the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just >> like to learn something - "Why?" >> >> So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after >> a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the >> station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. >> >> The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it >> makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after >> their call. >> >> 73, >> Jack >> >> ___ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK >> > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Really? FCC rules: (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign.*No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country.* *M England (M3xxx and M6xxx - Foundation Class Licence, All others - Full Licence Grade) 14 27* As I said nobody enforces this. Your licensing may be different. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/12/2011 10:21 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: > This is so wrong. Please please stop spreading this wrong stuff. > > It is a mobile designator and NO nothing else. > > /Jim SM2EKM > - > On 2011-12-12 18:21, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >> Legally signing /M is only legal if you are in England or one of the >> countries that uses the M prefix. It is readily accepted as Mobile but >> is not a legal designator. I am not sure that most of the ones you >> listed are legal IARU or ITU call designators. This could vary from >> country to country. >> >> >> >> Mike W0MU > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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This is so wrong. Please please stop spreading this wrong stuff. It is a mobile designator and NO nothing else. /Jim SM2EKM - On 2011-12-12 18:21, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > Legally signing /M is only legal if you are in England or one of the > countries that uses the M prefix. It is readily accepted as Mobile but > is not a legal designator. I am not sure that most of the ones you > listed are legal IARU or ITU call designators. This could vary from > country to country. > > > > Mike W0MU ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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I don't know of ONE award (I'm speaking of ARRL awards now) that requires the QSL to have /qrp on it, Carl...can you state one instance of that being a requirement??? I have QRP WAS and WAC and none of my QSL cards have a /qrp identifier anywhere on the card..I hope to have QRP WAS on 160 meters completed this winter and none of the QSLs sent to me list me as K9JWV/QRP...in fact, from an LoTW perspective, having a station I worked list me as K9JWV/QRP probably puts that record into the "zombie status." Regards, Jim R. K9JWV > From: z...@jeremy.mv.com > To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; w0...@nc.rr.com; topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:31:37 -0500 > > Since there are QRP awards the QSL's have to include/QRP to be accepted. > > There are more illegal QRO ops than the few who cheat with /QRP so quit with > the silly bickering. > > How would you like it if the shoe was on the other foot? > > Carl > KM1H > > - Original Message - > From: "James Rodenkirch" > To: ; > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question > > > > > > I have a crass answer (based on something heard in a movie that Bert > > Reynolds starred in some years back) butthe short answer is, in my > > opinion, those operators who do sign /qrp don't think much of themselves, > > their equipment or their antenna! Something has them thinking small about > > themselves and that couldn't be a more in-accurate assessment of > > themselves or their equipment. > > > > But - can't help 'em > > > > > > > > > >> From: w0...@nc.rr.com > >> To: topband@contesting.com > >> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:58:22 -0500 > >> Subject: Topband: QRP Question > >> > >> > >> > >> Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note > >> the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would > >> just > >> like to learn something - "Why?" > >> > >> So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP > >> after > >> a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > >> station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > >> > >> The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me > >> it > >> makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after > >> their call. > >> > >> 73, > >> Jack > >> > >> ___ > >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > > > ___ > > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > > > > > - > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4076 - Release Date: 12/12/11 > > > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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> Another constant irking remarks extant is the use of "Roger" > in place of > "over" or "go ahead". To which I always remark..."my name is > Herb, not > Roger... Roger? Heh heh. Good one, Herb. Adhering to ITU phonetics one should say "Romeo" but I've never heard that. 73, Carl WS7L ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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What I want to put out about signing /QRP in a contest First, I ALREADY know you are weak and I'm going to have to work hard to get you in the log. I WANT to work weak QRPers because there is a good chance I can make that contact and others will not. This makes for vertical separation in the contest score listings :>) But this is also true for wretched signal 100w stations who done something amazing to get up an antenna AT ALL in their situation. QRPers have no mojo advantage over someone who gets up a working 160 antenna in a 75'x75' HOA lot. Nod goes to the HOA guy here. Second, some QRPers obviously have very good antennas and are 579WAY out in the clear. They send their call and exchange exactly once like they're QRO, and we have each other's call in each other's log in ten seconds. It's really not the power, it's the antennas, and the operators. Third, and most important, if I am struggling to get your call out of the noise, /QRP down in the muddle confuses the h**l out of me and may be THE ONE reason why I'm not copying your call. Fourth, and most irritating, I long ago lost count of the number of times that /QRP was the **ONLY** thing I was sure of when I finally gave up and said SRI TRY LATER. At least the postage stamp lot guys running 100w to a super-fold antenna are not tempted to send /HOA /QRP = Terrible, Terrible practice. QRPers, I'm begging you, please tell your QRP friends 73, Guy On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Bill Cromwell wrote: > On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 11:58 -0500, W0UCE wrote: > > > > Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note > > the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would > just > > like to learn something - "Why?" > > > > So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP > after > > a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > > station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > > > > The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me > it > > makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after > > their call. > > > > 73, > > Jack > > > > ___ > > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > Hi Jack, > > I rarely attach /QRP to my call. The exceptions might be in a QRP > contest (sprint) where other hams are searching for QRP stations. I send > my call and see what happens next the same as everybody else. I started > working QRP with a brand new ham license in 1980 and I still haven't > exceeded 100 watts. All of my transmitters *CAN* produce more than 5 > watts up to 100 watts for some of them. All of them can dial down under > one watt, too, and are most often under 30 watts. Sometimes QRPp is just > not appropriate. On the other hand, if I need to scream at full legal > power I would prefer to go play my music for a while. Or find a ham band > with better propagation. > > If other QRP ops want to hang that /QRP on their call well that is their > choice and has no effect on me at all. If they're calling CQ and I hear > them I'm up for a chat. > > 73, > > Bill KU8H > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Carl: My intent with the question was to learn something, not to initiate bickering. Jack W0UCE Since there are QRP awards the QSL's have to include/QRP to be accepted. There are more illegal QRO ops than the few who cheat with /QRP so quit with the silly bickering. How would you like it if the shoe was on the other foot? Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: "James Rodenkirch" To: ; Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question > > I have a crass answer (based on something heard in a movie that Bert > Reynolds starred in some years back) butthe short answer is, in my > opinion, those operators who do sign /qrp don't think much of themselves, > their equipment or their antenna! Something has them thinking small about > themselves and that couldn't be a more in-accurate assessment of > themselves or their equipment. > > But - can't help 'em > > > > >> From: w0...@nc.rr.com >> To: topband@contesting.com >> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:58:22 -0500 >> Subject: Topband: QRP Question >> >> >> >> Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note >> the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would >> just >> like to learn something - "Why?" >> >> So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP >> after >> a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the >> station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. >> >> The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me >> it >> makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after >> their call. >> >> 73, >> Jack >> >> ___ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4076 - Release Date: 12/12/11 > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 11:58 -0500, W0UCE wrote: > > Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note > the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just > like to learn something - "Why?" > > So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after > a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > > The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it > makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after > their call. > > 73, > Jack > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK Hi Jack, I rarely attach /QRP to my call. The exceptions might be in a QRP contest (sprint) where other hams are searching for QRP stations. I send my call and see what happens next the same as everybody else. I started working QRP with a brand new ham license in 1980 and I still haven't exceeded 100 watts. All of my transmitters *CAN* produce more than 5 watts up to 100 watts for some of them. All of them can dial down under one watt, too, and are most often under 30 watts. Sometimes QRPp is just not appropriate. On the other hand, if I need to scream at full legal power I would prefer to go play my music for a while. Or find a ham band with better propagation. If other QRP ops want to hang that /QRP on their call well that is their choice and has no effect on me at all. If they're calling CQ and I hear them I'm up for a chat. 73, Bill KU8H ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Well, Don - when I submit QSL cards to ARRL for an award such as my WAS QRP certificate the QSL cards don't say K9JWV/QRP on it - that's an attestation I have to send along when I apply for the certificate.here's another reason NOT to sign /QRP --- I work some fella, sign /QRP and he submits our QSO to LoTW as K9JWV/QRP and I submit mine to LoTW as a K9JWV QSO and LoTW won't recognize that QSOit'll be on of those zombies... I do understand your comment about signing /QRP if searching other QRP operators, especially if you're at or near one of the QRP watering holes... > To: topband@contesting.com > From: wd8...@aol.com > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:57:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: Topband: QRP Question > > > > Let me play the devils advocate and put a spin on why you might want to sign > /qrp when calling CQ. > > > 1) If I work you and you sign /qrp, then I will send you a QSL card that > says K9JWV/qrp (or whatever your call might be), but if you don't say you are > qrp, then you will get a card that says K9JWV and no mention that I am > confirming you worked me while you were running qrp. > > 2) You also might want to sign /qrp when calling CQ if you are trying to > attract other qrp operators. If I hear someone sign /qrp when they call CQ, > I often fire up my QRP rig since I suspect they will be able to hear me just > as well as I am hearing them. > > Don (wd8dsb) > > > > > > > > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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For sure, among worst violations of good operating practice is the (now very common and massive) use of /QRP, ie. OK1RR/QRP. There is no other reason than to attract more attention than others (using regular call sign). ITU RR recognizes only /P, /M, /MM and /AM, national authorities sometimes allowing a numbered ID indicating a region, ie. SM5ABC/4. All other call signs must be issued in accordance with the regular licensing mechanism (like OL1A/JP, Pope's visit in OK, there was a special call OL1A/JP, issued with the slash and the JP appendix). Some other IDs are issued in groups for limited time, like /J for Jamboree stations, /L for school stations etc. More http://www.ok1rr.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.57 A trend to attract more attention than others is really one of the worst possible examples of bad behaviour and should be not tolerated (BTW nothing against possible penalization of /QRP users). I find /QRP very annoying in contests and pile-ups, it impedes a fast, hig rate operating. QRP is not your_call/QRP! 73 Martin, OK1RR Dne 12.12.2011 17:58, W0UCE napsal(a): > > > Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note > the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just > like to learn something - "Why?" > > So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after > a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > > The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it > makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after > their call. > > 73, > Jack > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Let me play the devils advocate and put a spin on why you might want to sign /qrp when calling CQ. 1) If I work you and you sign /qrp, then I will send you a QSL card that says K9JWV/qrp (or whatever your call might be), but if you don't say you are qrp, then you will get a card that says K9JWV and no mention that I am confirming you worked me while you were running qrp. 2) You also might want to sign /qrp when calling CQ if you are trying to attract other qrp operators. If I hear someone sign /qrp when they call CQ, I often fire up my QRP rig since I suspect they will be able to hear me just as well as I am hearing them. Don (wd8dsb) ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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i think i was M/W7DRA/P, ah yes, in Canterbury..if i remember... mike w7dra, back when i had money to travel On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:21:01 -0700 W0MU Mike Fatchett writes: > Legally signing /M is only legal if you are in England or one of the > > countries that uses the M prefix. It is readily accepted as Mobile > but > is not a legal designator. I am not sure that most of the ones you > listed are legal IARU or ITU call designators. This could vary from > > country to country. > > Sending /qrp just takes up more time and adds more difficulty when > > signals are very very weak. > > I also agree that those making contacts with QRP stations should be > > getting the bonuses for doing most of the work not the other way > around. > > > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > > On 12/12/2011 10:07 AM, Ronald Raasch wrote: > > To sign /qrp is unlegal. Bad behavior. There are only a few legal > > extensions. /p./a/m/am./1-0..Thats all i remember > right > > now.. > > > > 73 Ronald LA3ANA > > > > > > > > > > Am 12.12.2011, 17:58 Uhr, schrieb W0UCE: > > > >> > >> Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and > please note > >> the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I > would > >> just > >> like to learn something - "Why?" > >> > >> So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send > /QRP > >> after > >> a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't > care if the > >> station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > >> > >> The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? > To me > >> it > >> makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or > /QRO after > >> their call. > >> > >> 73, > >> Jack > >> > >> ___ > >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > LifeLock® Official Site Identity Theft Can Happen to Anyone So Get Protection with LifeLock. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ee659ba72c769ebd7fst03vuc ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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to me running QRP in 160m contests is the great equalizer. my NC183 is now the equal of the FT12000 MKVII MODXXX with 35 roofing filters. my ARC5 with VR150 regulated voltage sounds no different than the K3 etcetcetc. all the electronic logging in the world doesn't do better than a simple lead pencil if all you can make is 12 contacts in a CQWW contest. mike w7dra LifeLock® Official Site Identity Theft Can Happen to Anyone So Get Protection with LifeLock. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ee64674ef80e9e5b00st05vuc ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Interesting points Herb. I hope Political Correctness never becomes a requirement to operate on Top Band; rather it remain the Gentleman's Band the way it should be. See you in Stew this coming weekend. 73 Jack, The great thing about chasing DX on TB is that soon one chooses to eschew superfluous or confusing transmission of CW characters because they hinder. I am glad you brought this issue up and I believe the reason in some cases with QRPers could be that the flea power insecurity syndrome abounds and needs to be mollified. Most experienced seasoned QRPers would never use the /QRP appendage but rather would personally cherish the contact they made with 5 watts or less. No need to explain away anything. There is also perhaps a feeling that a weak signal must be explained away so the QRP'er is held blameless for not having what it takes to be "adequate," or "I am impotent because I choose not to be potent." In the past days of amateur radio S1 or S2 was categorized as weak. (On160 with DX who cares in you can work them?) However, using the term "weak" is considered today to lack political correctness and unkind. Today the term hams use to describe a weak signal is "You are light with me". Another constant irking remarks extant is the use of "Roger" in place of "over" or "go ahead". To which I always remark..."my name is Herb, not Roger... Roger? The whole thing is now turned upside down and some insist we no longer refer to each others as top-banders but instead we are instead 'low-banders'. 73, Herb KV4FZ On 12/12/2011 12:58 PM, W0UCE wrote: > > Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note > the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just > like to learn something - "Why?" > > So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after > a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > > The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it > makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after > their call. > > 73, > Jack > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Jack, The great thing about chasing DX on TB is that soon one chooses to eschew superfluous or confusing transmission of CW characters because they hinder. I am glad you brought this issue up and I believe the reason in some cases with QRPers could be that the flea power insecurity syndrome abounds and needs to be mollified. Most experienced seasoned QRPers would never use the /QRP appendage but rather would personally cherish the contact they made with 5 watts or less. No need to explain away anything. There is also perhaps a feeling that a weak signal must be explained away so the QRP'er is held blameless for not having what it takes to be "adequate," or "I am impotent because I choose not to be potent." In the past days of amateur radio S1 or S2 was categorized as weak. (On160 with DX who cares in you can work them?) However, using the term "weak" is considered today to lack political correctness and unkind. Today the term hams use to describe a weak signal is "You are light with me". Another constant irking remarks extant is the use of "Roger" in place of "over" or "go ahead". To which I always remark..."my name is Herb, not Roger... Roger? The whole thing is now turned upside down and some insist we no longer refer to each others as top-banders but instead we are instead 'low-banders'. 73, Herb KV4FZ On 12/12/2011 12:58 PM, W0UCE wrote: > > Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note > the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just > like to learn something - "Why?" > > So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after > a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > > The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it > makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after > their call. > > 73, > Jack > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Many are just looking for an edge to be heard in a pileup and I have heard it work. I don't listen for QRP or Mobile or whatever. I just want a callsign. Many times QRP stations are just as loud as the rest, same with mobiles. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/12/2011 10:23 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: > I have a crass answer (based on something heard in a movie that Bert Reynolds > starred in some years back) butthe short answer is, in my opinion, those > operators who do sign /qrp don't think much of themselves, their equipment or > their antenna! Something has them thinking small about themselves and that > couldn't be a more in-accurate assessment of themselves or their equipment. > > But - can't help 'em > > > > >> From: w0...@nc.rr.com >> To: topband@contesting.com >> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:58:22 -0500 >> Subject: Topband: QRP Question >> >> >> >> Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note >> the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just >> like to learn something - "Why?" >> >> So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after >> a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the >> station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. >> >> The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it >> makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after >> their call. >> >> 73, >> Jack >> >> ___ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Hello Jack! I think it makes sense to use /QRP! As someone has written here before, there are some (good!) operators out here, who always come back to people sending /QRP first when they hear this extension. This helps a lot! I made some QRP QSOs with ZL on 40m during contest, in EU pile-up...and made it through. Why? The stations on the other side got my /QRP and transmitted "QRX QRX QRX nw /QRP /QRP kn kn". Making QSOs (specially DX) with QRP is a challenge for the QRPers, but the greatest honour is at the station on the other side, picking out the QRPer thousands of miles away. And a /QRP is defining your output exactly: 5W or less in CW. 4 charcters! This is much faster to transport then doing it after the report (my pwr) But it's an old discussion. Some of the latest DX-peditions made QSOs with me using /QRP after my call in the confirmation, but had decided not lo log this extension. They left it away in their log. The Q's showed up in the "DJ5RE" log. I was pretty unhappy at first, but I found my piece concerning that problem in knowing what I used during the QSO. But I am happy about every QSO that has printed /QRP or /QRPP on it, when I used it. Crossing the atlantic with 100mW is still very exciting for me, and having it confirmed on a card is a great thing. My 2 cents... 73s (and often 72s) from Bavaria! Tom, DJ5RE - Original Message - From: "W0UCE" To: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: Topband: QRP Question > > > Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note > the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would > just > like to learn something - "Why?" > > So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP > after > a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > > The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it > makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after > their call. > > 73, > Jack > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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I have a crass answer (based on something heard in a movie that Bert Reynolds starred in some years back) butthe short answer is, in my opinion, those operators who do sign /qrp don't think much of themselves, their equipment or their antenna! Something has them thinking small about themselves and that couldn't be a more in-accurate assessment of themselves or their equipment. But - can't help 'em > From: w0...@nc.rr.com > To: topband@contesting.com > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:58:22 -0500 > Subject: Topband: QRP Question > > > > Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note > the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just > like to learn something - "Why?" > > So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after > a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > > The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it > makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after > their call. > > 73, > Jack > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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On 12/12/2011 16 58, W0UCE wrote: > > > Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note > the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just > like to learn something - "Why?" > > So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after > a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > > The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it > makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after > their call. > > 73, > Jack Jack, I've had folks ask me to identify them as "/QRP" when QSLing them. I tell them that I have to way to tell if they were QRP or not. Only they hold the key to that. Dave Heil K8MN - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4676 - Release Date: 12/12/11 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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Legally signing /M is only legal if you are in England or one of the countries that uses the M prefix. It is readily accepted as Mobile but is not a legal designator. I am not sure that most of the ones you listed are legal IARU or ITU call designators. This could vary from country to country. Sending /qrp just takes up more time and adds more difficulty when signals are very very weak. I also agree that those making contacts with QRP stations should be getting the bonuses for doing most of the work not the other way around. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/12/2011 10:07 AM, Ronald Raasch wrote: > To sign /qrp is unlegal. Bad behavior. There are only a few legal > extensions. /p./a/m/am./1-0..Thats all i remember right > now.. > > 73 Ronald LA3ANA > > > > > Am 12.12.2011, 17:58 Uhr, schrieb W0UCE: > >> >> Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note >> the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would >> just >> like to learn something - "Why?" >> >> So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP >> after >> a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the >> station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. >> >> The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me >> it >> makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after >> their call. >> >> 73, >> Jack >> >> ___ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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To sign /qrp is unlegal. Bad behavior. There are only a few legal extensions. /p./a/m/am./1-0..Thats all i remember right now.. 73 Ronald LA3ANA Am 12.12.2011, 17:58 Uhr, schrieb W0UCE : > > > Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note > the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would > just > like to learn something - "Why?" > > So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP > after > a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. > > The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me > it > makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after > their call. > > 73, > Jack > > ___ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
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On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:58 AM, W0UCE wrote: > So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after > a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the > station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. I think it is a plea to accept their weak signal and work them. Or an explanation as to why they are so weak. For some, it may be a brag. Ken WA8JXM ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Topband: QRP Question
Maybe and experienced QRP OP can answer a question for me and please note the question is not intended to anger anyone or start a flame. I would just like to learn something - "Why?" So here is the question: Why do some using QRP continually send /QRP after a CQ, their call or a contest exchange? In a contest I don't care if the station I work is QRP, LP or QRO - a QSO is a QSO. The same when calling CQ or during a rag chewing - Why send /QRP? To me it makes no more sense than someone sending /100w, /LP, /1500w or /QRO after their call. 73, Jack ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK