Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
m@ver1ck;664197 Wrote: I've got the following system: SB Touch - Rega DAC - Naim Nait XS - Rega RS5 speakers. I've never entirely been happy with the s/q of my system. Recently, I tried the dac with a laptop, and the system sounded a lot better, like a lot of noise disappeared. The system sounded a lot less shrill and more pleasant to listen to. Enter spotify: When I listen to spotify through the sb touch - Rega DAC etc, there is again this sense of calm, lowering of noise floor etc. The system sounds really really good. However, when it's playing lossless files, there is a little shrillness to it. Any ideas? I'm thinking of getting a gigabit router. Maybe the system is working hard pumping lots of bits, and less will make it happier? The router has nothing to do with sound quality. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
Any idea what does? Or should I just abandon this foolishness and get a record player? -- m@ver1ck m@ver1ck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50580 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
m@ver1ck;664252 Wrote: Any idea what does? Or should I just abandon this foolishness and get a record player? When it sounds bad what are you playing? - your own rips? - how exactly were they done? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
Could be because Spotify is not replay-gained (no API support for it) and your own rips are? Louder sometimes sounds better. 320k Vorbis should be basically indistinguishable for probably everyone. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
Good point. Spirit is much louder. And evidence shows that even slight differences in volume lead listeners to prefer the louder version. -- garym System 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) System 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.2 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
I've experienced that Spotify does a lot of Dynamic compression, too. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
flac using eac, Apple lossless using itunes etc. -- m@ver1ck m@ver1ck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50580 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
You migth prefere the compresssed sound of spotify, a more correct reproduction off the source migth not be to your liking ? Also make sure that the replaygain feature is off. Some very bad sounding modern pop recordings migth sound better by being processed by spotify or some radiostation, thats an artifact of modern production values . The correct reproduction of some records migth not be to anyones taste :-/ -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
andyg;664260 Wrote: Could be because Spotify is not replay-gained (no API support for it) and your own rips are? Louder sometimes sounds better. It's that a bit backwards, given that he thinks Spotify sounds better? -- JJZolx » » Download 'Squeezebox Server 7.5.6 r35834' (http://downloads.slimdevices.com/SqueezeboxServer_v7.5.6_unreleased/), the last nightly build of SBS 7.5. » JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
garym;664267 Wrote: Good point. Spirit is much louder. And evidence shows that even slight differences in volume lead listeners to prefer the louder version. JJZolx;664363 Wrote: It's that a bit backwards, given that he thinks Spotify sounds better? Spotify is much louder than my flac files even without replay gain. That is louder= better and spotify is louder. -- garym System 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) System 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.2 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
garym;664372 Wrote: Spotify is much louder than my flac files even without replay gain. That is louder= better and spotify is louder. Oh yeah. I'd forgotten that 'net radio is generally louder and that nearly all of today's CDs that you rip will have negative, not positive ReplayGain. -- JJZolx » » Download 'Squeezebox Server 7.5.6 r35834' (http://downloads.slimdevices.com/SqueezeboxServer_v7.5.6_unreleased/), the last nightly build of SBS 7.5. » JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify sounds better than lossless. What's wrong with my set up?
I've got the following system: SB Touch - Rega DAC - Naim Nait XS - Rega RS5 speakers. I've never entirely been happy with the s/q of my system. Recently, I tried the dac with a laptop, and the system sounded a lot better, like a lot of noise disappeared. The system sounded a lot less shrill and more pleasant to listen to. Enter spotify: When I listen to spotify through the sb touch - Rega DAC etc, there is again this sense of calm, lowering of noise floor etc. The system sounds really really good. However, when it's playing lossless files, there is a little shrillness to it. Any ideas? I'm thinking of getting a gigabit router. Maybe the system is working hard pumping lots of bits, and less will make it happier? -- m@ver1ck m@ver1ck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50580 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91028 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
