Re: [Tutor] Looking for an edutainment-type introduction to programming book

2006-09-30 Thread Danny Yoo
 What I am looking for is a book thats:

 1) simple, and fun enough so that he can learn from it without my
 continous assistence. (Of course, I can answer questions, but the idea
 is that I don't want to walk him through all of it.)

 2) doesn't look like it is teaching programming -- it should be more
 like playing with the computer, and having fun style, with the
 learning programming being a sort of side-effect.

Hi Abel,

Under those restrictions, you may want to look at John Maeda's Design by 
Numbers book:

 http://dbn.media.mit.edu/whatisdbn.html
 http://dbn.media.mit.edu/

It's not Python, but it does seem interesting.  The book itself is a great 
coffee table book, filled with lots of fascinating pictures.  Frankly, 
it's probably not going to teach many general programming concepts, but it 
does give a sense of computation, and, of course, it's pretty.
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Re: [Tutor] Looking for an edutainment-type introduction to programming book

2006-09-30 Thread Dick Moores
At 09:16 AM 9/29/2006, Kent Johnson wrote:
I second the suggestion of Python Programming for the absolute beginner,
definitely worth a look.

Me, too, but make sure it's the 2nd edition.
http://www.bestbookdeal.com/book/detail/1598631128/

Dick




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[Tutor] Looking for an edutainment-type introduction to programming book

2006-09-29 Thread Abel Daniel

Hi!

I'm looking for a book to give to my younger brother as a birthday
present. He is 13 years old, had some experience with logo (but not
much, so he knows about simple instructions and loops, but not about,
say, algorithms), and is fairly comfortable around computers. He
sometimes mentions that he would like to learn programming, but so far
my only attempt to teach him was an absolute failure, due mostly to my
total lack of pedagogical skills. (I tried to start with the concept
of abstract objects, with predictable effects...)

What I am looking for is a book thats:

1) simple, and fun enough so that he can learn from it without my
continous assistence. (Of course, I can answer questions, but the idea
is that I don't want to walk him through all of it.)

2) doesn't look like it is teaching programming -- it should be more
like playing with the computer, and having fun style, with the
learning programming being a sort of side-effect.

Ideally it would use python, but thats not that strict a requirement,
squeak or logo might be acceptable, as well. (Although I'm prejudiced
towards python, that being my favourite programming language.)

Similarly, being a book isn't a requirement either, so a pdf, or an
online tutorial would be fine as well, although a book would be
better.

I tried to search for such books, but I mostly found 'now we are going
to learn programming' types, and I would like something more subtle,
and more motivating than that.


Any suggestions?

-- 
Abel Daniel
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Re: [Tutor] Looking for an edutainment-type introduction to programming book

2006-09-29 Thread tomd
If he is into games, you could try to look at Python Programming for
the Absolute Beginner, from Michael Dawson. It teaches Python through
programming a set of simple games.

-- 
Tom, http://www.vscripts.net

on Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:54:32 +0200, you wrote:
 1) simple, and fun enough so that he can learn from it without my
 continous assistence. (Of course, I can answer questions, but the idea
 is that I don't want to walk him through all of it.)

 2) doesn't look like it is teaching programming -- it should be more
 like playing with the computer, and having fun style, with the
 learning programming being a sort of side-effect.
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Re: [Tutor] Looking for an edutainment-type introduction to programming book

2006-09-29 Thread Marc Poulin
Look here:
www.ceebot.com

Not a book, but it might be what you are looking for.


--- Abel Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Hi!
 
 I'm looking for a book to give to my younger brother
 as a birthday
 present. He is 13 years old, had some experience
 with logo (but not
 much, so he knows about simple instructions and
 loops, but not about,
 say, algorithms), and is fairly comfortable around
 computers. He
 sometimes mentions that he would like to learn
 programming, but so far
 my only attempt to teach him was an absolute
 failure, due mostly to my
 total lack of pedagogical skills. (I tried to start
 with the concept
 of abstract objects, with predictable effects...)
 
 What I am looking for is a book thats:
 
 1) simple, and fun enough so that he can learn from
 it without my
 continous assistence. (Of course, I can answer
 questions, but the idea
 is that I don't want to walk him through all of it.)
 
 2) doesn't look like it is teaching programming --
 it should be more
 like playing with the computer, and having fun
 style, with the
 learning programming being a sort of side-effect.
 
 Ideally it would use python, but thats not that
 strict a requirement,
 squeak or logo might be acceptable, as well.
 (Although I'm prejudiced
 towards python, that being my favourite programming
 language.)
 
 Similarly, being a book isn't a requirement either,
 so a pdf, or an
 online tutorial would be fine as well, although a
 book would be
 better.
 
 I tried to search for such books, but I mostly found
 'now we are going
 to learn programming' types, and I would like
 something more subtle,
 and more motivating than that.
 
 
 Any suggestions?
 
 -- 
 Abel Daniel
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Re: [Tutor] Looking for an edutainment-type introduction to programming book

2006-09-29 Thread Kent Johnson
Abel Daniel wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I'm looking for a book to give to my younger brother as a birthday
 present. He is 13 years old, had some experience with logo (but not
 much, so he knows about simple instructions and loops, but not about,
 say, algorithms), and is fairly comfortable around computers. He
 sometimes mentions that he would like to learn programming, but so far
 my only attempt to teach him was an absolute failure, due mostly to my
 total lack of pedagogical skills. (I tried to start with the concept
 of abstract objects, with predictable effects...)

I second the suggestion of Python Programming for the absolute beginner, 
definitely worth a look. Also he might be interested in Guido van Robot:
http://gvr.sourceforge.net/

Kent

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