Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:28 PM, François Degrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/20 Nick Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think its much better like this, especially the white. That's exactly what I proposed in the very beginning (see mockup), and I re-proposed in my screenshot with all the comments (see http://img174.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04028_Capture_122_1178lo.jpg) but apparently it is a problem for the firefox menu (since the color of the font cannot change when the menu item is selected, the white font on a white bg is unreadable). Maybe that's something we can correct because it looks really important to me. I agree with Francisco. Having a greyish GTK makes the theme a bit depressing for general audience. They wouldn't care if it is a technical issue. Would a slight orangish hue instead of pure white help ? Also, one doubt. Is this problem there with FF 3.0 ? IIRC, FF 3.0 is supposed to be better in terms of playing well with the platform it is installed on w.r.t theming. I didn't notice if the screenshots were of FF 2.x or 3.0. I have 3.0 at home and I didn't notice anything bad. But then, I don't usually use the FF menu, so that could be the reason. May be Cimi or Kenneth can shed some light. Bharat Varma d-_-b -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
Bharat Varma a écrit : On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:28 PM, François Degrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/20 Nick Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think its much better like this, especially the white. That's exactly what I proposed in the very beginning (see mockup), and I re-proposed in my screenshot with all the comments (see http://img174.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04028_Capture_122_1178lo.jpg) but apparently it is a problem for the firefox menu (since the color of the font cannot change when the menu item is selected, the white font on a white bg is unreadable). Maybe that's something we can correct because it looks really important to me. I agree with Francisco. Having a greyish GTK makes the theme a bit depressing for general audience. They wouldn't care if it is a technical issue. Would a slight orangish hue instead of pure white help ? I'm not sure adding orange there is a good idea... Well, we can try but I don't feel it. However, the proposition for a New Wave mailing list is not bad at all -- but in that case we should try keeping posting sometimes on this one to show we are still alive, and to give interest to other people. Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
Hi, Could you make the selected item gradient less pinkish and more orange/yellow ? Anyway, good work on the color. That's truly a good idea since black over white is more readable for most people. However, i guess we can't merge menubar and menu color due to the shadow. Regards, Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
2008/5/20 Nick Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think its much better like this, especially the white. Btw, is it possible to have a special mailing list (on launchpad?) just for New Wave? I feel we might be clogging up the art mailing list a little? On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 23:50 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: While I was working I thought this: http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menuproposalsh9.png http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menuproposal2lz0.png I like this. For me in this way we get a sense of continuity with menu. Giuseppe P. That's exactly what I proposed in the very beginning (see mockup), and I re-proposed in my screenshot with all the comments (see http://img174.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04028_Capture_122_1178lo.jpg) but apparently it is a problem for the firefox menu (since the color of the font cannot change when the menu item is selected, the white font on a white bg is unreadable). Maybe that's something we can correct because it looks really important to me. A few suggestions on that regard: First, I think it would make a lot of sense to avoid compromisey workarounds at the present time; it would be forward-thinking to get the theme to look exactly how it should in real GTK applications and see about having these problems fixed at their source. We have 6 months for that to happen. By contrast, Evolution has a horribly ugly problem with its Preferences dialog, and I don't see that being given a workaround in the theme either. (I do see the Evolution developers being given a stern talking to by the GTK people, though). Same deal with OpenOffice. Speaking of which, has anyone tested this with OpenOffice 3? I understand it has less horrendous theming. Secondly, this is definitely not a theme-specific problem but a problem with the programs. A bug should be filed if it hasn't been done already; with these issues Firefox and OpenOffice.org are inconveniencing things for everyone. Thirdly, Firefox 3 is still a release candidate so has quite some room for bug fixes. I say leave the workarounds for that time when all other hope is lost and people are still set on packaging the offending (enemy of consistency) programs as defaults. Bye, -Dylan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
Dylan McCall ha scritto: A few suggestions on that regard: First, I think it would make a lot of sense to avoid compromisey workarounds at the present time; it would be forward-thinking to get the theme to look exactly how it should in real GTK applications and see about having these problems fixed at their source. We have 6 months for that to happen. By contrast, Evolution has a horribly ugly problem with its Preferences dialog, and I don't see that being given a workaround in the theme either. (I do see the Evolution developers being given a stern talking to by the GTK people, though). Same deal with OpenOffice. Speaking of which, has anyone tested this with OpenOffice 3? I understand it has less horrendous theming. Secondly, this is definitely not a theme-specific problem but a problem with the programs. A bug should be filed if it hasn't been done already; with these issues Firefox and OpenOffice.org are inconveniencing things for everyone. Thirdly, Firefox 3 is still a release candidate so has quite some room for bug fixes. I say leave the workarounds for that time when all other hope is lost and people are still set on packaging the offending (enemy of consistency) programs as defaults. I agree totally with you. Use many workaround is not a good way, we must make a theme in real GTK applications and push to solve bug, for example we might report this in bugzilla, launchpad, etc... . We must choose a way and follow it. We must fix some item and follow it with what we have available (murrine or clearlooks). I think murrine is better because is more flexible and a new versione (svn) can be released to improve the theme (please...if Cimy read this, can he say when he may release a stable version of murrine?). I think it is wrong to look beyond what we have or to see other way. IMHO, we must choose and improve. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
2008/5/20 Giuseppe Pennisi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dylan McCall ha scritto: A few suggestions on that regard: First, I think it would make a lot of sense to avoid compromisey workarounds at the present time; it would be forward-thinking to get the theme to look exactly how it should in real GTK applications and see about having these problems fixed at their source. We have 6 months for that to happen. By contrast, Evolution has a horribly ugly problem with its Preferences dialog, and I don't see that being given a workaround in the theme either. (I do see the Evolution developers being given a stern talking to by the GTK people, though). Same deal with OpenOffice. Speaking of which, has anyone tested this with OpenOffice 3? I understand it has less horrendous theming. Secondly, this is definitely not a theme-specific problem but a problem with the programs. A bug should be filed if it hasn't been done already; with these issues Firefox and OpenOffice.org are inconveniencing things for everyone. Thirdly, Firefox 3 is still a release candidate so has quite some room for bug fixes. I say leave the workarounds for that time when all other hope is lost and people are still set on packaging the offending (enemy of consistency) programs as defaults. I agree totally with you. Use many workaround is not a good way, we must make a theme in real GTK applications and push to solve bug, for example we might report this in bugzilla, launchpad, etc... . We must choose a way and follow it. We must fix some item and follow it with what we have available (murrine or clearlooks). I think murrine is better because is more flexible and a new versione (svn) can be released to improve the theme (please...if Cimy read this, can he say when he may release a stable version of murrine?). A snapshot is planned in middle August. I think it is wrong to look beyond what we have or to see other way. IMHO, we must choose and improve. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Andrea Cimi Cimitan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
However, the proposition for a New Wave mailing list is not bad at all -- but in that case we should try keeping posting sometimes on this one to show we are still alive, and to give interest to other people. Yes, I think if possible we should have a separate list and keep ubuntu art list postings to occasional status updates. Hi, The new icons looks great. I'm working on the icons that were missing in the Elementary theme. I already committed icons for File Roller, Alacarte, System User, Users and Groups, and I made a new one for F-Spot that I going to upload later. Do you think that I should continue making the missing icons? Or it's better to focus on some other stuff first? Do people think there should be monochromatic status icons for every major app which is installed by default and which puts itself in the taskbar, even things which aren't system services (e.g. Pidgin, Tracker, Rhythmbox etc)? I vote probably. Keep up the good work. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
While I was working I thought this: http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menuproposalsh9.png http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menuproposal2lz0.png I like this. For me in this way we get a sense of continuity with menu. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
Hi to everyone In my opinion we must follow the idea of continuity between selected on the panel and colour of the background of the menu, as Giuseppe P. said. It gives sense of purity and is very eye-candy. And most of the mockups around the web suggests this, so i think we can follow this path. Mariux -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
I think its much better like this, especially the white. Btw, is it possible to have a special mailing list (on launchpad?) just for New Wave? I feel we might be clogging up the art mailing list a little? On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 23:50 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: While I was working I thought this: http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menuproposalsh9.png http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menuproposal2lz0.png I like this. For me in this way we get a sense of continuity with menu. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
