[Bug 1970194] Re: ubuntu 22.04 package wordpress incompatible with default php version 8.1

2022-04-27 Thread Paul Gevers
@Simon, thanks for the reply. Yes, it was about "not well maintained".
I'm well aware how Ubuntu works as I have contributed in the past,
although nowadays nearly all my work flows in via Debian. What I meant
explicitly here is that the problem related to the shiny new PHP in the
last Ubuntu release was solved in Debian before the Ubuntu release and
would have been automatically shipped (if I counted correctly) with the
Ubuntu release if it were not have been for the Ubuntu delta.

I didn't say nor intended that Ubuntu should be following the latest
upstream in released suites, we don't do that in Debian either (except
for the rare exceptions to that rule).

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[Bug 1970194] Re: ubuntu 22.04 package wordpress incompatible with default php version 8.1

2022-04-27 Thread Simon Déziel
@Jan, indeed before replying to you I opened
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wordpress/+bug/1970440 ;)

@Paul, I am assuming you are referring to the "not well maintained" part
of my comment so let me clarify. Ubuntu being a "frozen distro" (package
versions are normally set in stone at release time), keeping up with
Wordpress releases would be very hard. Someone from the community would
need to backport patches or ask for a Minor Release Exception and ship
newer versions.

That's a lot of effort to put in and it seems nobody from the community
has stepped up to do it. I can't blame anyone as I wouldn't be ready to
make such commitment myself. It's just unfortunate because the community
would benefit from such effort.

That said, what's in the archive ATM is not something I'd recommend a
friend to deploy due to the security risks, hence my suggestion to Jan
to go with a manual install.

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[Bug 1970194] Re: ubuntu 22.04 package wordpress incompatible with default php version 8.1

2022-04-27 Thread Paul Gevers
Hmm, I don't like the tone of @Simon, but I see where it's coming from.
wordpress is one of those packages where it's biting Ubuntu's users that
Ubuntu choose to use MySQL, while Debian choose MariaDB. Normally, most
packages are maintained in Debian changes there flow into Ubuntu
automatically. However, MySQL requires changes to the wordpress package
that haven't been made in Debian. Therefore wordpress needs to be
updated for all the relevant Debian updates, and unfortunately that
didn't happen with the latest version.

It would be good if the delta could be merged in Debian somehow, but I
suspect it needs work on the Ubuntu side to prepare that.

See bug https://bugs.debian.org/1007005

** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #1007005
   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1007005

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[Bug 1970194] Re: ubuntu 22.04 package wordpress incompatible with default php version 8.1

2022-04-27 Thread Jan Büren
@Simon: Uh, my idealistic world view is destroyed ;-).
Best practice used to be to stick with the distribution's packages because they 
will take care of all nasty edge cases and security bugs.

If the wordpress package really is badly maintained it would be better
to remove it than to suggests that the distribution takes care of it.

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[Bug 1970194] Re: ubuntu 22.04 package wordpress incompatible with default php version 8.1

2022-04-26 Thread Simon Déziel
@Jan, while I understand the convenience of `apt install`, Wordpress is
unfortunately not well maintained in Ubuntu so I would recommend doing a
manual installation of an upstream supported version.

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[Bug 1970194] Re: ubuntu 22.04 package wordpress incompatible with default php version 8.1

2022-04-26 Thread Jeremy Bicha
** Tags added: jammy

** Tags added: rls-jj-incoming

** Changed in: wordpress (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => High

** Changed in: wordpress (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Triaged

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