Re: When will we think about tomorrow, and not continue to take a look on the past?
Hello Armand, Am Mittwoch, den 22.02.2006, 22:03 +0100 schrieb Armand CORBEAUX: > With time, things evolve. Sometimes we can have the feeling that > things don't evolve enough quickly. I don't want to be rude, maybe your mail just came with a very bad timing. The mailing lists are full at the moment, it takes too much time to read through them all. We are in a very hard timing for the development of the distribution, Feature Freeze is tomorrow and urgent decisions have to be made. Please let's try all to (and I don't say that to you alone): * be very focused about problems * propose solutions * don't discuss for discussion's sake * maybe try to move the forming of an idea to a wiki page * make every creative effort you can to keep the noise / fact ratio at a reasonable level. * use the bug tracker for bugs * stop ranting Sorry Armand, if I picked your mail for this, but the situation justified it. Have a nice day, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
When will we think about tomorrow, and not continue to take a look on the past?
With time, things evolve. Sometimes we can have the feeling that things don't evolve enough quickly. This is more a think after taking a general look on GUI (or whatever you wish to call it). Why things don't evolve? Why do we hear always, as 5 years ago, the same debates? Why can we see today what can be assimilate as regressions? That is not a criticism, but GNOME becomes complicated... I take the example of the background: Why wasn't it thought "for the nuts"? Imagine a simple panel: I drag the background that I want in the panel, it applies immediatly. I drag out it, it disappears from panel (the 'remove button becomes deprecated). When you want to put a painting at a nail, you pose it. When you want to remove it, you take it down. Why not think simply as in the daily life? Damn...do we search simplicity or to purpose a options factory? I think there's not enough time now to suggest improvements for Ubuntu 6.04... No no no..I can let it passed away: Who use daily hibernate and suspend? There's a stuff I really don't understand in the logout and shutdown in Dapper: why 2 entries for approximatively the same options? Why includes suspend and hibernate in logout panel? Is it really an improvement or just to show that Ubuntu is able to hibernate and suspend? Gnome-power-manager (which is installed by default) puropose also the hibernate and suspend options, and in a more usable way. One more time, sorry if some people feels aggressed, but it's not a criticism but a information feedback of an observation of the practices of use of the users. Armand -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Selecting music for example-content
Hi Sandis, Wow, again thanks for the thorough review. I'll look and listen at your recommendations from remixcommons. Sandis Neilands wrote: We shouldn't base or decisions upon popularity of the music.If we do so we could end up shipping Beethoven-only CD. I mean I would rather be surprised by a cool tune I have never heard before than listen "Ode to joy" or "Moonlight sonata" yet another time. Yes I agree, though I think if we pick something less known it should be fairly melodic so that it will only require one or two listens to like it. I think it sounds too midi'sh and I'm afraid it would sound even more midi'sh on cheap headphones/laptop speakers. After hearing more stuff I agree with that. I'm already more impressed with this piece: http://www.kahvi.org/v04.php It has a more interesting progression and better quality samples IMO. Less tinny and all round artistically better IMO. Unfortunately the license is unclear. I want to check out more stuff by the artist at: http://www.lackluster.org/index2.php and then email him to see if we can arrange something. (the clip above is a video so the file is quite large, but presumably the audio file is available somewhere.) A lot of music over there. What are the deadlines for you? I'm asking because it will take time to get even a glimpse of whats inside. Yes, there is a lot. The audio quality seems good, though the musical quality is often almost-good, I'm afraid. We could well find some pearls there though. On the deadlines: I would like to find something acceptable by the end of this month so we don't have to stress too much about it. However, a better piece can always come in and replace it later on. In that sense we can get quite close to the release date which is mid-April. Closer to the deadline disc space constraints will also become firmer. We may need to have a few options of varying size. - Henrik -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Selecting music for example-content
Hello! On 2/21/06, Henrik Nilsen Omma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, I'm afraid I wasn't bowled over by the piano work (perhaps if it was > Grieg, but that's my personal bias ...). I guess piano is my (ex-piano-player's) personal bias. Don't get me wrong - I'm perfectly fine with Holst. However I think for most users simple and melodic piano piece might be more appealing/acceptable than symphonic music. Of course I might be wrong. > I think the classical music should be a bit more universally engaging > for this purpose. Holst is good because it has been used often as film > music so a wider audience will like it. We shouldn't base or decisions upon popularity of the music.If we do so we could end up shipping Beethoven-only CD. I mean I would rather be surprised by a cool tune I have never heard before than listen "Ode to joy" or "Moonlight sonata" yet another time. > On to a different genre all together: electronica > > Try: http://www.subatomicglue.com/download/music/experimental/airborne.ogg > > I like the sequence from about 2.00 to 2.30. I feel that some other > parts can be a bit too heavily layered with synth strings. I worry that > that can sound quite tinny on, say, laptop speakers. It's also more > approachable at first listen if it's a bit simpler. The group presents > it as a work in progress, so it may be possible to ask them to alter it > slightly for our purposes. I think it sounds too midi'sh and I'm afraid it would sound even more midi'sh on cheap headphones/laptop speakers. While speaking of electronica, while listening to some tunes from remix commons I noticed a trend - the tunes never get anywhere. I can't stand listening the one and the same phrase repeated 10.000 times or for 6 minutes whichever comes first. If I had to choose from that and quality classical music I would go with classics. > We might also look at a place like: http://magnatune.com/ > None of that music is under a free enough license ATM, but the > organisers and artists seem to have roughly the right idea. If we find > something we really like, we could approach them and ask them to open > source it properly, for mutual exposure. > > Thoughs? A lot of music over there. What are the deadlines for you? I'm asking because it will take time to get even a glimpse of whats inside. And now some random thoughts after wandering at remixcommons.org http://www.remixcommons.org/node/698 Tired eyes Good audio quality. Doesn't infinitely repeat one phrase. Guitar is good - at least the tune doesn't sound like some random midi converted to ogg. At some point becomes boring. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/662 AF Harold - 37 ways to leave your Yak Only one complaint - most users don't know English at all or don't know it well enough to understand the poem. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/341 Oslo The beat suggests that there's something wrong with your speakers or headphones. Not very nice for users who have just switched/upgraded and are oversensitive for that kind of things. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/328 Cuedos Nice. I really like it. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/255 E Counting indicates that this is in fact test/example content, which is good. The same for "Sounds good". Crappy beginning. This is not my favourite from musical POV, but counting and "sounds good" is even very appropriate. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/314 Montasuma's Revenge Interesting approach. Far better than the usual electronic crap. Illustrates how lots of small things (sounds) brought together can become something very interesting. Similar to free software in that aspect. But we should really exercise our right to change the file name. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/681 6021 - the raunchy launch remix Drums suggest ubuntu's origin. If we are going to include Holst's Jupiter or Venus, we could also include something more rhythmic too. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/664 Alan, Simon and Ross Jamming. Illustrates the spirit of collaboration and freedom. African/Australian origins. People talking in the background. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/312 Levi (unreleased demo) Good audio quality. Sounds similar to U2. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/309 Miracle Lemon Good audio quality again. If we are looking for pop-rock example, this could be good candidate. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/175 Leadbelly - Where Did You Sleep Last Night? Very cool! This could be the song that makes everybody smile again after slightly serious Jupiter/electronica/whatever else. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/153 Maachhi Mara Na (Nepalese instrumental) Perhaps we should think of including something refreshing that doesn't come from western world? http://www.remixcommons.org/node/223 While We Walk - Transition Good audio quality. I like it better than miracle lemon. http://www.remixcommons.org/node/354 WARD - "Generating Civil Society" Check this out if you are looking for video examples too. Hope this helps. -- Sandis -- ubuntu-des
example-content - is it really a solution?
>This is at least useful on a Live CD.>When I demonstrate Ubuntu with a live CD, I've nothing to do and I must>always say : "If you had a picture, you could edit it with the gimp, there.>If you had a word document, you could..." >Some videos, sounds and pictures samples could turn a boring demonstration>into something very cool.>People will not remember that Ubuntu is easier or better. They will say : "I>like your stuff. The picture of the bird was so cuuute !" It's perhaps useful for an individual demonstration, even if the first question will be "and my Internet?" (even if the picture of the bird was cute).In my spirit the idea is not to show in practice, but to explain what ubuntu can do (what implies a will of the user). Anyway in any domain (professionnal or personnal) where ubuntu can be shown, the principal question from users is:"can I do the same thing as actually?">(and, hop, I can then increment my Universal Ubuntu Conversion Counter) For me there are no ideas of conversion of a user: Ubuntu succeeded in satisfying his needs or not. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: example-content - is it really a solution?
Hello! On 2/22/06, Armand CORBEAUX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sometimes I don't understand choices that are done... > > By putting examples files in Ubuntu, will it really help people? Example files are here to demonstrate capabilities of the programs. If you want to learn something by tinkering around - good for you. But that is not the primary purpose of the example files. -- Sandis -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
