Re: [RFC] Proposal to disable Wubi Installs from 12.04 (but maintain the separate .exe)
Hello all, To complete the discussion, based on the below comments and others, I logged the following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/975251 "please hide the "install ubuntu" option from wubi.exe on the CD" It seems to be Fixed Relese already. Cheers, Rick On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Evan Dandrea wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Kees Cook wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 09:37:06AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > >> 3. We disable the ability to do a wubi installation from the Ubuntu > 12.04 > >> ISOs. (wubi will remain on the images for the purpose of providing > Windows > >> users some feedback and functionality if they put a Ubuntu CD into a > >> running Windows computer, but won't offer to install). > >> > >> At this time, we don't expect to be able to reclaim any space on the ISO > >> with this change. In the future we may consider splitting the autorun > menu > >> out of wubi.exe to save some space (this is how it was structured > >> originally), but it's very late in the cycle to attempt such a > refactoring > >> for 12.04. It's safer to simply disable the "install" option when run > from > >> the CD. > > > > Oh, whoops. I re-read Rick's email a few times and continued to miss > that. > > > > What kind of feedback is shown with this change? Is it actually useful > > (i.e. not just "install" greyed out)? > > Apologies for the late reply. > > It would look something like this (not sure what happened to the > anti-aliasing there): > http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/wubi_without_wubi.png > > The "demo and full installation" option puts the Ubuntu installation > medium into the Windows bootloader, so the user doesn't have to faff > about with their BIOS settings. The "learn more" option takes you to > http://www.ubuntu.com. > > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel > -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] Proposal to disable Wubi Installs from 12.04 (but maintain the separate .exe)
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Kees Cook wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 09:37:06AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: >> 3. We disable the ability to do a wubi installation from the Ubuntu 12.04 >> ISOs. (wubi will remain on the images for the purpose of providing Windows >> users some feedback and functionality if they put a Ubuntu CD into a >> running Windows computer, but won't offer to install). >> >> At this time, we don't expect to be able to reclaim any space on the ISO >> with this change. In the future we may consider splitting the autorun menu >> out of wubi.exe to save some space (this is how it was structured >> originally), but it's very late in the cycle to attempt such a refactoring >> for 12.04. It's safer to simply disable the "install" option when run from >> the CD. > > Oh, whoops. I re-read Rick's email a few times and continued to miss that. > > What kind of feedback is shown with this change? Is it actually useful > (i.e. not just "install" greyed out)? Apologies for the late reply. It would look something like this (not sure what happened to the anti-aliasing there): http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/wubi_without_wubi.png The "demo and full installation" option puts the Ubuntu installation medium into the Windows bootloader, so the user doesn't have to faff about with their BIOS settings. The "learn more" option takes you to http://www.ubuntu.com. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] Proposal to disable Wubi Installs from 12.04 (but maintain the separate .exe)
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 09:37:06AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > 3. We disable the ability to do a wubi installation from the Ubuntu 12.04 > ISOs. (wubi will remain on the images for the purpose of providing Windows > users some feedback and functionality if they put a Ubuntu CD into a > running Windows computer, but won't offer to install). > > At this time, we don't expect to be able to reclaim any space on the ISO > with this change. In the future we may consider splitting the autorun menu > out of wubi.exe to save some space (this is how it was structured > originally), but it's very late in the cycle to attempt such a refactoring > for 12.04. It's safer to simply disable the "install" option when run from > the CD. Oh, whoops. I re-read Rick's email a few times and continued to miss that. What kind of feedback is shown with this change? Is it actually useful (i.e. not just "install" greyed out)? -Kees -- Kees Cook -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] Proposal to disable Wubi Installs from 12.04 (but maintain the separate .exe)
On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 09:37:06 AM Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Kees, > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 09:27:41AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 05:15:02PM +0100, Rick Spencer wrote: > > > Separating the wubi.exe experience from the ISOs will give us the > > > following> > > > > important benefits: > > > 1. We will be able to do maintenance and enhancements to wubi > > > outside of> > > > > the Ubuntu development cycle. > > > > > > 2. Significant reduciton of QA work for an already over-streched > > > QA team. 3. Better overall 12.04 quality, and less stress at > > > release time. 4. We won't get stuck with a poor (or worse) user > > > experience on the CD> > > > > since is a good chance that wubi will not work properly with Windows > > > 8. > > > > > > I am proposing these changes to the plan because: > > > 1. The key use case for wubi is being able to download and run the > > > > > > installer on Windows, not installing from the ISO. > > > > > > 2. Wubi is difficult to test, so has been difficult to assure that > > > it will> > > > > meet the quality standards we have set for 12.04. > > > > > > 3. There are no developers treating wubi as their top priorities. > > > This > > > > > > combined with the QA difficulties has historically caused late > > > breaking > > > changes that add stress at release time and frequentily invalidate > > > already executed ISO testing. > > > > > > 4. Most significantly, Windows is changing it's boot system with > > > Windows> > > > > 8, and it's not clear how wubi will work with Windows 8, if at all. > > > > How much space is reclaimed on the ISO with the removal of Wubi? > > From Rick's mail: > > 3. We disable the ability to do a wubi installation from the Ubuntu 12.04 > ISOs. (wubi will remain on the images for the purpose of providing Windows > users some feedback and functionality if they put a Ubuntu CD into a > running Windows computer, but won't offer to install). > > At this time, we don't expect to be able to reclaim any space on the ISO > with this change. In the future we may consider splitting the autorun menu > out of wubi.exe to save some space (this is how it was structured > originally), but it's very late in the cycle to attempt such a refactoring > for 12.04. It's safer to simply disable the "install" option when run from > the CD. The major limiter in testing is the lack of people with Windows to run tests. It seems like based on this proposal there would still be some need for each ISO to have Windows based QA testing (although less than before). Since, with the demise of shipit, the project has moved significantly away from pre-printed CDs, I don't see much value in shipping a Wubi variant in order to tell Windows users "This isn't the installation method you want." Based on the discussion so far, I think removing it entirely makes more sense. Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] Proposal to disable Wubi Installs from 12.04 (but maintain the separate .exe)
Hi Kees, On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 09:27:41AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 05:15:02PM +0100, Rick Spencer wrote: > > Separating the wubi.exe experience from the ISOs will give us the following > > important benefits: > > 1. We will be able to do maintenance and enhancements to wubi outside of > > the Ubuntu development cycle. > > 2. Significant reduciton of QA work for an already over-streched QA team. > > 3. Better overall 12.04 quality, and less stress at release time. > > 4. We won't get stuck with a poor (or worse) user experience on the CD > > since is a good chance that wubi will not work properly with Windows 8. > > I am proposing these changes to the plan because: > > 1. The key use case for wubi is being able to download and run the > > installer on Windows, not installing from the ISO. > > 2. Wubi is difficult to test, so has been difficult to assure that it will > > meet the quality standards we have set for 12.04. > > 3. There are no developers treating wubi as their top priorities. This > > combined with the QA difficulties has historically caused late breaking > > changes that add stress at release time and frequentily invalidate already > > executed ISO testing. > > 4. Most significantly, Windows is changing it's boot system with Windows > > 8, and it's not clear how wubi will work with Windows 8, if at all. > How much space is reclaimed on the ISO with the removal of Wubi? From Rick's mail: 3. We disable the ability to do a wubi installation from the Ubuntu 12.04 ISOs. (wubi will remain on the images for the purpose of providing Windows users some feedback and functionality if they put a Ubuntu CD into a running Windows computer, but won't offer to install). At this time, we don't expect to be able to reclaim any space on the ISO with this change. In the future we may consider splitting the autorun menu out of wubi.exe to save some space (this is how it was structured originally), but it's very late in the cycle to attempt such a refactoring for 12.04. It's safer to simply disable the "install" option when run from the CD. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] Proposal to disable Wubi Installs from 12.04 (but maintain the separate .exe)
Hi, On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 05:15:02PM +0100, Rick Spencer wrote: > Separating the wubi.exe experience from the ISOs will give us the following > important benefits: > > 1. We will be able to do maintenance and enhancements to wubi outside of > the Ubuntu development cycle. > 2. Significant reduciton of QA work for an already over-streched QA team. > 3. Better overall 12.04 quality, and less stress at release time. > 4. We won't get stuck with a poor (or worse) user experience on the CD > since is a good chance that wubi will not work properly with Windows 8. > > I am proposing these changes to the plan because: > > 1. The key use case for wubi is being able to download and run the > installer on Windows, not installing from the ISO. > 2. Wubi is difficult to test, so has been difficult to assure that it will > meet the quality standards we have set for 12.04. > 3. There are no developers treating wubi as their top priorities. This > combined with the QA difficulties has historically caused late breaking > changes that add stress at release time and frequentily invalidate already > executed ISO testing. > 4. Most significantly, Windows is changing it's boot system with Windows > 8, and it's not clear how wubi will work with Windows 8, if at all. How much space is reclaimed on the ISO with the removal of Wubi? -Kees -- Kees Cook -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
[RFC] Proposal to disable Wubi Installs from 12.04 (but maintain the separate .exe)
Hello all, This email regards wubi, a tool used to set up Ubuntu in a dual boot configuration in a manner that does not require disk partitioning. Wubi is a windows program. It is currently delivered as a standalone executable downloadable from the web, as well as part of official Ubuntu images. You can read about wubi in the excellent user guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide I am proposing a small but notable change to how we deliver wubi for 12.04. I am proposing that: 1. We continue to test and bug fix wubi.exe as the separate Windows program 2. We cotinue to offer wubi.exe for download as the separate Windows program. 3. We disable the ability to do a wubi installation from the Ubuntu 12.04 ISOs. (wubi will remain on the images for the purpose of providing Windows users some feedback and functionality if they put a Ubuntu CD into a running Windows computer, but won't offer to install). Separating the wubi.exe experience from the ISOs will give us the following important benefits: 1. We will be able to do maintenance and enhancements to wubi outside of the Ubuntu development cycle. 2. Significant reduciton of QA work for an already over-streched QA team. 3. Better overall 12.04 quality, and less stress at release time. 4. We won't get stuck with a poor (or worse) user experience on the CD since is a good chance that wubi will not work properly with Windows 8. I am proposing these changes to the plan because: 1. The key use case for wubi is being able to download and run the installer on Windows, not installing from the ISO. 2. Wubi is difficult to test, so has been difficult to assure that it will meet the quality standards we have set for 12.04. 3. There are no developers treating wubi as their top priorities. This combined with the QA difficulties has historically caused late breaking changes that add stress at release time and frequentily invalidate already executed ISO testing. 4. Most significantly, Windows is changing it's boot system with Windows 8, and it's not clear how wubi will work with Windows 8, if at all. Cheers, Rick -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
