Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5

2014-02-07 Thread Richard Elkins 
12.04.4 ISO installation testing looks good from a test case perspective
(my experience).  As stated below by Pasi, it would be possible to
handle 12.04.4 to "12.04.5" via package updates and leave it alone for
the most part.

So, I'd rather see effort put in the customer migration of 12.04.x to
14.04 (combination of documentation, automation, and manual process). 
Moving from current LTS to new LTS has a higher payoff for all concerned.

Richard

On 02/07/2014 02:09 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> If there is enough interest and motivation from the community
> (including people who can actually help with the SRU), it can be
> discussed. As Jackson, I don't personally think it as a realistic
> thing to do at the moment either.
>
> Pasi
>
> On 07/02/14 22:03, Jackson Doak wrote:
>> 4.12 will be difficult to get to 14.04, let alone backporting it all
>> the way to precise
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Roberto J Dohnert
>> mailto:robertdohn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling
>> piece would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no
>> pun intended, release date.  Releasing the trusty kernel through
>> updates would be optimal.  Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux
>> team, are supporting 12.04 for two years past the scheduled
>> Ubuntu support date until 2019.  So, we may do a 14.10 stack as
>> our last major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as well. 
>> But that will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time.
>>
>> Roberto J. Dohnert
>> Lead Developer
>> Black Lab Linux
>> http://www.blacklablinux.org
>>
>> On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
>>> If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release
>>> 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core
>>> after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in,
>>> it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates.
>>>
>>> I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support
>>> for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big
>>> SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat
>>> shortly anyway.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Pasi
>>>
>>> On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote:
 FYI

 How does this align with our planning?

 Stephen Michael Kellat 
 In the basement cafeteria on lunch


 Begin forwarded message:

> *From:* Leann Ogasawara  >
> *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST
> *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com
> ,
> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
> 
> *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5*
>
> Hi All,
>
> With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the
> idea of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise.
>
> As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped
> with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware
> enablement purposes.  Maintainers of these enablement stacks
> have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement
> stack is supported in Precise.  Once a Trusty enablement stack
> is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be
> asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack
> which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of
> Precise.
>
> Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise.
>  12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default.
>  This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in
> favor of the Trusty enablement stack.  Once that happens, our
> final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd
> enablement stack.  This seems unfortunate and inappropriate.
>  I would like to propose having a 5th point release for
> Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for
> Precise.
>
> Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional
> maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in
> Precise.  It would require some extra effort on part of the
> Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team
> to spin up an additional set of images and testing
> coordination etc.  However, I informally discussed this with a
> few members of each of those teams and the tentative agreement
> was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be
> accommodated.  Collectively we could find no compelling reason
> to not provide 12.04.5.  We also discussed that a 12.04.5
> release should be optional for the Flavors to participa

Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5

2014-02-07 Thread Pasi Lallinaho 
If there is enough interest and motivation from the community (including
people who can actually help with the SRU), it can be discussed. As
Jackson, I don't personally think it as a realistic thing to do at the
moment either.

Pasi

On 07/02/14 22:03, Jackson Doak wrote:
> 4.12 will be difficult to get to 14.04, let alone backporting it all
> the way to precise
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Roberto J Dohnert
> mailto:robertdohn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling
> piece would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no
> pun intended, release date.  Releasing the trusty kernel through
> updates would be optimal.  Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux
> team, are supporting 12.04 for two years past the scheduled Ubuntu
> support date until 2019.  So, we may do a 14.10 stack as our last
> major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as well.  But that
> will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time.
>
> Roberto J. Dohnert
> Lead Developer
> Black Lab Linux
> http://www.blacklablinux.org
>
> On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
>> If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release
>> 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core
>> after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in,
>> it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates.
>>
>> I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support
>> for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big
>> SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly
>> anyway.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Pasi
>>
>> On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote:
>>> FYI
>>>
>>> How does this align with our planning?
>>>
>>> Stephen Michael Kellat 
>>> In the basement cafeteria on lunch
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
 *From:* Leann Ogasawara >>> >
 *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST
 *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com
 ,
 ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
 
 *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5*

 Hi All,

 With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea
 of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise.

 As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped
 with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware
 enablement purposes.  Maintainers of these enablement stacks
 have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement
 stack is supported in Precise.  Once a Trusty enablement stack
 is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be
 asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack
 which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of
 Precise.

 Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise.
  12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default.
  This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in
 favor of the Trusty enablement stack.  Once that happens, our
 final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd
 enablement stack.  This seems unfortunate and inappropriate.  I
 would like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise
 which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise.

 Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional
 maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in
 Precise.  It would require some extra effort on part of the
 Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team
 to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination
 etc.  However, I informally discussed this with a few members
 of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that
 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be accommodated.
  Collectively we could find no compelling reason to not provide
 12.04.5.  We also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be
 optional for the Flavors to participate in.  Additionally, we
 would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5
 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and
 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD).

 What are other's thoughts here?  Does anyone have a compelling
 reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release?

 Thanks,
 Leann
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Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5

2014-02-07 Thread Jackson Doak 
4.12 will be difficult to get to 14.04, let alone backporting it all the
way to precise


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Roberto J Dohnert
wrote:

>  Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling piece
> would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no pun intended,
> release date.  Releasing the trusty kernel through updates would be
> optimal.  Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux team, are supporting 12.04 for
> two years past the scheduled Ubuntu support date until 2019.  So, we may do
> a 14.10 stack as our last major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as
> well.  But that will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time.
>
> Roberto J. Dohnert
> Lead Developer
> Black Lab Linux
> http://www.blacklablinux.org
>
> On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
>
> If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release 12.04.5 as
> is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On the other
> hand, if there is something we want in, it's another possibility to get
> stuff in an ISO, not just updates.
>
> I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support for 12.04,
> so not sure if it makes any difference to land big SRU's now, since people
> need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway.
>
> Cheers,
> Pasi
>
> On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote:
>
> FYI
>
>  How does this align with our planning?
>
>  Stephen Michael Kellat
> In the basement cafeteria on lunch
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>  *From:* Leann Ogasawara 
> *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST
> *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
> *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5*
>
>   Hi All,
>
>  With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of
> having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise.
>
>  As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a
> newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes.
>  Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until
> a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise.  Once a Trusty
> enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and
> be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would
> continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise.
>
>  Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise.  12.04.4
> shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default.  This Saucy enablement
> stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement
> stack.  Once that happens, our final point release for Precise will be
> delivering an EOL'd enablement stack.  This seems unfortunate and
> inappropriate.  I would like to propose having a 5th point release for
> Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise.
>
>  Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance
> burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise.  It would
> require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well
> as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and
> testing coordination etc.  However, I informally discussed this with a few
> members of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5
> was a reasonable request which could be accommodated.  Collectively we
> could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5.  We also discussed
> that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate
> in.  Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1
> and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and
> 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD).
>
>  What are other's thoughts here?  Does anyone have a compelling reason
> for not providing a 12.04.5 point release?
>
>  Thanks,
> Leann
>
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Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5

2014-02-07 Thread Roberto J Dohnert 
Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling piece 
would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no pun intended, 
release date.  Releasing the trusty kernel through updates would be 
optimal.  Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux team, are supporting 12.04 
for two years past the scheduled Ubuntu support date until 2019.  So, we 
may do a 14.10 stack as our last major release, we may work on that for 
Xubuntu as well.  But that will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at 
that time.


Roberto J. Dohnert
Lead Developer
Black Lab Linux
http://www.blacklablinux.org

On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release 12.04.5 
as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On 
the other hand, if there is something we want in, it's another 
possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates.


I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support for 
12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big SRU's now, 
since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway.


Cheers,
Pasi

On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote:

FYI

How does this align with our planning?

Stephen Michael Kellat
In the basement cafeteria on lunch


Begin forwarded message:

*From:* Leann Ogasawara >

*Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST
*To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com 
, 
ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com 

*Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5*

Hi All,

With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of 
having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise.


As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a 
newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement 
purposes.  Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to 
support these until a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in 
Precise.  Once a Trusty enablement stack is supported, all previous 
enablement stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final 
Trusty based enablement stack which would continue to be supported 
for the remaining life of Precise.


Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise.  12.04.4 
shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default.  This Saucy 
enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the 
Trusty enablement stack.  Once that happens, our final point release 
for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd enablement stack.  This 
seems unfortunate and inappropriate.  I would like to propose having 
a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty 
enablement stack for Precise.


Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance 
burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise.  It would 
require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team 
as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of 
images and testing coordination etc.  However, I informally 
discussed this with a few members of each of those teams and the 
tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which 
could be accommodated.  Collectively we could find no compelling 
reason to not provide 12.04.5.  We also discussed that a 12.04.5 
release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. 
 Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 
and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first 
and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD).


What are other's thoughts here?  Does anyone have a compelling 
reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release?


Thanks,
Leann
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Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5

2014-02-07 Thread Pasi Lallinaho 
If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release 12.04.5
as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On the
other hand, if there is something we want in, it's another possibility
to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates.

I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support for
12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big SRU's now,
since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway.

Cheers,
Pasi

On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote:
> FYI
>
> How does this align with our planning?
>
> Stephen Michael Kellat 
> In the basement cafeteria on lunch
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From:* Leann Ogasawara > >
>> *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST
>> *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com
>> ,
>> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com 
>> *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5*
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of
>> having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise.
>>
>> As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a
>> newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes.
>>  Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these
>> until a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise.  Once
>> a Trusty enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement
>> stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based
>> enablement stack which would continue to be supported for the
>> remaining life of Precise.
>>
>> Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise.  12.04.4
>> shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default.  This Saucy
>> enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the
>> Trusty enablement stack.  Once that happens, our final point release
>> for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd enablement stack.  This seems
>> unfortunate and inappropriate.  I would like to propose having a 5th
>> point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement
>> stack for Precise.
>>
>> Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance
>> burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise.  It would
>> require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team
>> as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of
>> images and testing coordination etc.  However, I informally discussed
>> this with a few members of each of those teams and the tentative
>> agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be
>> accommodated.  Collectively we could find no compelling reason to not
>> provide 12.04.5.  We also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be
>> optional for the Flavors to participate in.  Additionally, we would
>> want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release
>> dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after
>> (exact date TBD).
>>
>> What are other's thoughts here?  Does anyone have a compelling reason
>> for not providing a 12.04.5 point release?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Leann
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Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5

2014-02-07 Thread Stephen Michael Kellat 
FYI

How does this align with our planning?

Stephen Michael Kellat 
In the basement cafeteria on lunch


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Leann Ogasawara 
> Date: February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST
> To: ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: [RFC] 12.04.5
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a 
> 12.04.5 point release for Precise.
> 
> As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer 
> kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes.  Maintainers 
> of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until a Trusty based 
> enablement stack is supported in Precise.  Once a Trusty enablement stack is 
> supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate 
> to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would continue to be 
> supported for the remaining life of Precise.
> 
> Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise.  12.04.4 shipped 
> with a Saucy enablement stack by default.  This Saucy enablement stack in 
> Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack.  Once 
> that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd 
> enablement stack.  This seems unfortunate and inappropriate.  I would like to 
> propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty 
> enablement stack for Precise.
> 
> Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden 
> upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise.  It would require some 
> extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu 
> Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination 
> etc.  However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of 
> those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable 
> request which could be accommodated.  Collectively we could find no 
> compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5.  We also discussed that a 12.04.5 
> release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in.  Additionally, 
> we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release 
> dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date 
> TBD).
> 
> What are other's thoughts here?  Does anyone have a compelling reason for not 
> providing a 12.04.5 point release?
> 
> Thanks,
> Leann
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