Re: Why and why.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, George Farris farr...@cc.mala.bc.ca wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 20:58 +0200, Remco wrote: On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 20:45, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: It is proposed that from 11.04 the notification area (which allows actions like opening the window with single click and pausing with middle click) will be replaced entirely with indicator applet . So just get used to clicking more if you continue to use Ubuntu. Wait just a bit. The problem is that the notification area is a poor replacement of the window list. Instead of big strips with an icon and a title, it's just a tiny icon. And that icon even has arbitrary behavior. The idea is to get rid of the notification area *and* to reintroduce the removed features in the window list, application indicator, or any other place where it is actually appropriate. Well then IMHO it should probably have been left at the old behavior until it was ready. Why totally mess people up with something they have been doing for years? It seems an odd and very broken decision process. Just sayin! Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss The indicator applet in the long term is trying to eliminate inconsistencies that cause frustration such as George's. I'm not sold on every single aspect of it, but overall, I appreciate their concept. This is an open source ecosystem where new ideas and software should be pushed forward, and may the best win! Ubuntu only has a responsibility to the users to the extent that they'll lose users with bad decisions. George, they don't do a drop-in replacement for notification-indicator applet because the system needs to be user-tested, and phased in to get more applications on board and using it. -- Luke L. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why and why.
On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 12:00 +0100, George Farris wrote: Wait just a bit. The problem is that the notification area is a poor replacement of the window list. Instead of big strips with an icon and a title, it's just a tiny icon. And that icon even has arbitrary behavior. The idea is to get rid of the notification area *and* to reintroduce the removed features in the window list, application indicator, or any other place where it is actually appropriate. Well then IMHO it should probably have been left at the old behavior until it was ready. Why totally mess people up with something they have been doing for years? It seems an odd and very broken decision process. Just sayin! Ubuntu does things by a process of evolution, not revolution. If they'd not introduced Indicator Applet until it was a finished design, then it would have probably been incredibly buggy and unusable for everyone except the developer. The way it's been done has ensured that bugs get fixed the whole while by community testing. Indicator Applet is more consistent and less broken than the Notification Area. With the NA, for every new program you have to learn exactly how it treats its NA icon; what middle-clicks do, what right-clicks do, what left-clicks do. Indicator Applet icons are at least easier to learn as all their options are exposed through a left-click. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why and why.
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 13:15 -0700, George Farris wrote: Well then IMHO it should probably have been left at the old behavior until it was ready. Why totally mess people up with something they have been doing for years? It seems an odd and very broken decision process. Just sayin! This is the open source way. Release Early and Release Often. Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@ubuntu.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why and why.
And then we have the debian way... :) On 2 May 2010 06:38, Scott James Remnant sc...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 13:15 -0700, George Farris wrote: Well then IMHO it should probably have been left at the old behavior until it was ready. Why totally mess people up with something they have been doing for years? It seems an odd and very broken decision process. Just sayin! This is the open source way. Release Early and Release Often. Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@ubuntu.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- KL -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
