Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia

2009-10-30 Thread Stefan Potyra
Hi,

Am Friday 30 October 2009 17:30:44 schrieb Benj. Mako Hill:
> Martin Pitt has apparently recently extended the terms of Søren Hansen
> and Michael Bienia by 3 months.
>
> As folks should know by now, there's a recently executed plan to split
> developer membership out from the TB into a new developer membership
> board (DMB) and a plan to merge the DMB with the MC or work out some
> sort of other arrangement.  For a reasons related to the release and
> archive restructuring, a bunch of things are still up in the air.
>
> Rather than run an election for a position that may disappear in the
> next couple months, the CC, DMB, Søren, and Michael talked about this
> and agreed to a 3 month extension of their terms on the MOTU Council to
> give everyone involved some time to make the decisions and changes that
> are necessary and figure out the process by which the MC/DMB seats will
> be filled.  As soon as it's clear what needs to happen, we will run
> elections.
>
> I'm sure someone will correct me if I've managed to screw that up. :)

yep, you screwed up, at least in my eyes :P ;).

First off, such an announcement won't reach a large number of developers 
unless sent to e.g. ubuntu-motu or ubuntu-devel (@l.u.c). CC'ing ubuntu-motu 
and keeping the complete original text for reference.

That aside, I find it very interesting and disturbing that membership of 
otherwise voted upon boards are (as it occurs to me from this mail) prolonged 
by the will of one developer. Maybe you can clear up what happened? Did that 
happen on request of the community council? Or was it that tech board 
interfered here? And if either, on what basis? Or anything else I just didn't 
get?

Cheers,
  Stefan.


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Re: MTASC has been forked, perhaps you would like to update?

2009-10-30 Thread Tristan Schmelcher
Thanks for the quick reply, Paul.

2009/10/30 Paul Wise 

> On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 13:16 +0100, Tristan Schmelcher wrote:
>
> > I'm just writing to let you know that I recently forked MTASC, the
> > Motion-Twin ActionScript 2.0 compiler, which is packaged in both
> > Debian and Ubuntu as "mtasc". Motion-Twin has ceased development of
> > MTASC and my attempts to get patches submitted fell on deaf ears, so I
> > have made a new site and released a new version, 1.15. See
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/mtasc/ for the code and binaries.
>
> Tristan, I know how you feel, some of my simple Debian patches are still
> waiting as far as I know.
>
> Nicolas, when will you be able to merge our patches?
>
> Nicolas, even if you do merge Tristan's patches, I think it would be a
> good idea to turn mtasc development over to the community and moving
> everything to a sourceforge project is probably the best way to do that.
> Would you consider doing that? One issue with doing that is the extc
> static library, which is currently an embedded code copy in mtasc. I
> guess that could be moved to its own project too.
>
> Tristan, why are you not distributing a source code tarball?
>
>
I read over SourceForge's current policy docs and couldn't find any
reference to their old requirement that projects release source tarballs, so
I assumed it was no longer required. The source is all in SVN of course. I'm
not committed against source tarballs though.


> Tristan, if you haven't yet looked at the Git version control system,
> I'd strongly suggest doing so. If you need someone to do a good
> conversion from CVS -> SVN -> Git, I'd be happy to help out since I have
> a fair bit of experience with that.
>

I'm aware of Git, though I don't have much experience with it. From what I
know of Git it sounds awesome, but it also sounds like most of its benefits
are for projects with large numbers of contributors and patches (e.g., the
Linux kernel). I don't expect a fork of MTASC to have either, so I'm not
sure the gains would be worth the migration effort.


>
> > The new version adds two major features: support for classes
> > containing more than 32 KB of bytecode, and support for Flash 9. These
> > changes have been in use internally at Google for almost two years
> > with no problems.
>
> I'm sure mtasc users would very much appreciate these two features.
>
> > I'd be pleased if you would consider updating your mtasc packages to
> > the new version.
>
> I'm not actually using the Debian mtasc package and am only maintaining
> it out of inertia. If you would like to take it over and upload your
> fork to Debian (which would then be automatically copied to Ubuntu), I'd
> be happy to sponsor you until you become a DD or get DM privileges.
>
> You might want to contact the maintainers of the FreeBSD and Fink
> packages too, you can find them using the 'whohas' tool in Debian:
>
> http://www.philippwesche.org/200811/whohas/intro.html
>
> --
> bye,
> pabs
>
> http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
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MTASC has been forked, perhaps you would like to update?

2009-10-30 Thread Tristan Schmelcher
Hello,

I'm just writing to let you know that I recently forked MTASC, the
Motion-Twin ActionScript 2.0 compiler, which is packaged in both Debian and
Ubuntu as "mtasc". Motion-Twin has ceased development of MTASC and my
attempts to get patches submitted fell on deaf ears, so I have made a new
site and released a new version, 1.15. See
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mtasc/ for the code and binaries.

The new version adds two major features: support for classes containing more
than 32 KB of bytecode, and support for Flash 9. These changes have been in
use internally at Google for almost two years with no problems.

I'd be pleased if you would consider updating your mtasc packages to the new
version.

Thanks,
Tristan
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Re: MTASC has been forked, perhaps you would like to update?

2009-10-30 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 13:16 +0100, Tristan Schmelcher wrote:

> I'm just writing to let you know that I recently forked MTASC, the
> Motion-Twin ActionScript 2.0 compiler, which is packaged in both
> Debian and Ubuntu as "mtasc". Motion-Twin has ceased development of
> MTASC and my attempts to get patches submitted fell on deaf ears, so I
> have made a new site and released a new version, 1.15. See
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mtasc/ for the code and binaries.

Tristan, I know how you feel, some of my simple Debian patches are still
waiting as far as I know.

Nicolas, when will you be able to merge our patches?

Nicolas, even if you do merge Tristan's patches, I think it would be a
good idea to turn mtasc development over to the community and moving
everything to a sourceforge project is probably the best way to do that.
Would you consider doing that? One issue with doing that is the extc
static library, which is currently an embedded code copy in mtasc. I
guess that could be moved to its own project too.

Tristan, why are you not distributing a source code tarball?

Tristan, if you haven't yet looked at the Git version control system,
I'd strongly suggest doing so. If you need someone to do a good
conversion from CVS -> SVN -> Git, I'd be happy to help out since I have
a fair bit of experience with that.

> The new version adds two major features: support for classes
> containing more than 32 KB of bytecode, and support for Flash 9. These
> changes have been in use internally at Google for almost two years
> with no problems.

I'm sure mtasc users would very much appreciate these two features.

> I'd be pleased if you would consider updating your mtasc packages to
> the new version.

I'm not actually using the Debian mtasc package and am only maintaining
it out of inertia. If you would like to take it over and upload your
fork to Debian (which would then be automatically copied to Ubuntu), I'd
be happy to sponsor you until you become a DD or get DM privileges.

You might want to contact the maintainers of the FreeBSD and Fink
packages too, you can find them using the 'whohas' tool in Debian:

http://www.philippwesche.org/200811/whohas/intro.html

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bye,
pabs

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