Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [U+1] Fwd: Proposal to drop Ubuntu alternate CDs for 12.10

2012-08-29 Thread Karl Anliot
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Nicholas Skaggs
nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote:
 On 08/28/2012 09:34 AM, Anthony Byrne wrote:

 I agree with A. Grandi! The alternate installer is *much* more stable
 than any live CD. And what about SSH installation?

 I second the community vote idea, as well. The other *buntus are very
 likely to follow suit, so I believe in at least giving the public a
 heads-up.

 --
 A. Byrne

 On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:23 AM, a.gra...@gmail.com a.gra...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 On 28 August 2012 07:04, Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
 wrote:

 FYI -- as spoken of earlier, here's the details on dropping the
 alternate
 installer in 12.10. Again, this is just for ubuntu, and not a decision
 for
 any flavors. As far as I know, no flavors have committed to dropping the
 alternate cd's. This transition will occur with the next milestone,
 which is
 Beta 1. As part of this, we'll need to migrate the alternate testcases
 and
 add new testcases in support of the new features in ubiquity. Thanks!

 so you have already decided? I did think there was a discussion before
 proceding, but it looks like this change will already take its effect
 starting from the next beta. Don't you think we should ask first the
 community what they think about? It's non sense that in less than 24
 hours you start the discussion on ubuntu-devel and you have already
 decided for everyone. I can't get it, sorry.

 Let me say that this is the worst idea ever proposed! I won't be able
 to use Ubuntu on my desktop anymore because I'm using a RAID 1 setup
 and I want to do a safe installation not using some workaround later
 after installation and risking to loose my data.

 Even more, alternate install CD is the only way for some PC to
 complete the installation. You can't imagine how many time I had to
 use alternate installer because ubiquity was freezing.

 I really cannot understand how you can propose something that will
 make Ubuntu worse than it is,
 We're supposed to make Ubuntu BETTER not worse.

 Best regards,

 --
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 Ubuntu Member: https://launchpad.net/~andreagrandi
 website: http://www.andreagrandi.it

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 As Brendan said, I would encourage those of you who have concerns to post
 them back to the ubuntu-devel list @ Steve et la for discussion. If you
 remember back to UDS, the original idea as discussed was that no
 functionality would be lost (aka, the live cd would get support for
 everything the alternate cd could do). They've come close, but RAID support
 didn't quite happen.

 Note that If the alternates are dropped for ubuntu, going forward, if you
 wish to install with RAID (or simply want to use an alternative installer)
 you still have the option of using the netboot or mini iso.


 Nicholas


Ubuntu is dropping something that people love, see:
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/yydbp/ubuntu_alternate_cds_could_be_dropped_for_1210/
In favor of something that Ubuntu created.  Have I seen this before?
Never mind that some percentage of people can't use the Desktop
installer.  Think of it as a little surprise for new users.
/sarcasm

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [U+1] Fwd: Proposal to drop Ubuntu alternate CDs for 12.10

2012-08-29 Thread Ho Wan Chan
Ah I actually started to think of a point... Ubiquity always has problems
sometimes. These few days it has become more unstable then before. I have
never reported a bug in the ISO QA Tracker, but jsut these few days I
reported 2. Not good.

2012/8/29 Karl Anliot kanl...@gmail.com

 On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Nicholas Skaggs
 nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote:
  On 08/28/2012 09:34 AM, Anthony Byrne wrote:
 
  I agree with A. Grandi! The alternate installer is *much* more stable
  than any live CD. And what about SSH installation?
 
  I second the community vote idea, as well. The other *buntus are very
  likely to follow suit, so I believe in at least giving the public a
  heads-up.
 
  --
  A. Byrne
 
  On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:23 AM, a.gra...@gmail.com a.gra...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  On 28 August 2012 07:04, Nicholas Skaggs 
 nicholas.ska...@canonical.com
  wrote:
 
  FYI -- as spoken of earlier, here's the details on dropping the
  alternate
  installer in 12.10. Again, this is just for ubuntu, and not a decision
  for
  any flavors. As far as I know, no flavors have committed to dropping
 the
  alternate cd's. This transition will occur with the next milestone,
  which is
  Beta 1. As part of this, we'll need to migrate the alternate testcases
  and
  add new testcases in support of the new features in ubiquity. Thanks!
 
  so you have already decided? I did think there was a discussion before
  proceding, but it looks like this change will already take its effect
  starting from the next beta. Don't you think we should ask first the
  community what they think about? It's non sense that in less than 24
  hours you start the discussion on ubuntu-devel and you have already
  decided for everyone. I can't get it, sorry.
 
  Let me say that this is the worst idea ever proposed! I won't be able
  to use Ubuntu on my desktop anymore because I'm using a RAID 1 setup
  and I want to do a safe installation not using some workaround later
  after installation and risking to loose my data.
 
  Even more, alternate install CD is the only way for some PC to
  complete the installation. You can't imagine how many time I had to
  use alternate installer because ubiquity was freezing.
 
  I really cannot understand how you can propose something that will
  make Ubuntu worse than it is,
  We're supposed to make Ubuntu BETTER not worse.
 
  Best regards,
 
  --
  Andrea Grandi - Nokia-DX/Tampere / Qt Ambassador
  Ubuntu Member: https://launchpad.net/~andreagrandi
  website: http://www.andreagrandi.it
 
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  As Brendan said, I would encourage those of you who have concerns to post
  them back to the ubuntu-devel list @ Steve et la for discussion. If you
  remember back to UDS, the original idea as discussed was that no
  functionality would be lost (aka, the live cd would get support for
  everything the alternate cd could do). They've come close, but RAID
 support
  didn't quite happen.
 
  Note that If the alternates are dropped for ubuntu, going forward, if you
  wish to install with RAID (or simply want to use an alternative
 installer)
  you still have the option of using the netboot or mini iso.
 
 
  Nicholas
 

 Ubuntu is dropping something that people love, see:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/yydbp/ubuntu_alternate_cds_could_be_dropped_for_1210/
 In favor of something that Ubuntu created.  Have I seen this before?
 Never mind that some percentage of people can't use the Desktop
 installer.  Think of it as a little surprise for new users.
 /sarcasm

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